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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657337 - 09/18/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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no. wrong. you didn't. there may have been people who wanted Saddam ousted. there was perhaps a minority that thought the US could help. they did not get what they asked for. they instead got treated as co-conspirators (thousands) and got murdered, in plenty of cases...they got Saddam, but incurred a huge cost that didn't project a solid return of investment. they lost out on their hope to oust Saddam, those who didn't feel like they had lost anything were a minority. and the majority of Iraqi's (whom fought a fucking war with you to DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY) did NOT want Saddam deposed, CLEARLY. they FOUGHT YOU.

caps for clarification. i'm not shouting. i'm just bewildered that i have to specifically point out this tacitly obviously factoid, but if only to make it perfectly clear that what you consider the rationale for entering into war with Iraq, it wasn't at the behest of all the Iraqi people, but perhaps at the behest of a minority, whom were perhaps not so insular towards the US, but nevertheless were a minority, and therefore not adequate support for your rationale that they (as in all of Iraq) "wanted a US led home invasion" of troops, bombs, and tanks...so don't act like that's the case.



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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: greencrush420]
    #23657340 - 09/18/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:focv:
no comeback, post greamlin.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657343 - 09/18/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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there's nothing wrong with defending an allied country. thing is you (yes, YOU) inspired much more oppressors of that general region in the process of taking it over. not to mention, you didn't change much. you just got yourself involved, some can easily sense, for financial and strategic gain.




Of course, the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan led to,the rise of an ISIS group intent on overthrowing a murderous dictator in Syria. How did I miss that?


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: greencrush420]
    #23657365 - 09/18/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ISIS is useful for an attempt to get rid of Assad, yeah.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657367 - 09/18/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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no comeback, post greamlin.



No comeback post graemlin.

Check it. You have no idea what you are talking about. Everything you say is pure conjecture. There are people who know what the fuck is going on in the middle East. Unless you have been there, you aren't one of em. Arguing with you is pointless. It's back and forth with neither side willing to concede.
So yeah, post facepalm to finalize my frustration and disagreement. Move on.
I'm not going to spend all day repeating myself on an internet forum.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657382 - 09/18/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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the operations undertaken not being defined as legal.

the WMDs were a lie. the humans rights excuse was proposed afterwards, and was shown to have no real significant bearing on the decision to go to war. it's also been shown that Saddam was harboring no terrorists, but in fact, were fighting them; obvious another fallacy from US intelligence.





WMDs were found, it wasnt a lie.

not sure what human rights shit you're talking about


only liberals and conspiracy nutters say there was a claimed connection between saddam and terrorists


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23657433 - 09/19/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

there is no point in framing this as a question: the WMDs found later were legacy weapons stored since the early 90's, ie, not the WMDs that the US administration was specifying. they still lied. their was no WMD threat to the US. they went on an assumption that they had classified WMDs, and eventually, yes, they found an old outdated stockpile. they may have still been planning to use them, but i see no evidence of this. they ended up in the hands of some anonymous source. Saddam had failed to dismantle them.

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not sure what human rights shit you're talking about


only liberals and conspiracy nutters say there was a claimed connection between saddam and terrorists



plenty of human rights shit. one word: Fallujah.

also, liberals will point out the truth, sometimes. in this case, this is one of those times. Saddam quelled terrorist rebellion. no Saddam = no squelch of rebellion = rebels mount greater force and danger -- which is what has happen.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657684 - 09/19/16 03:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Russia has economic power of Europe as it is the largest supplier of energy, that pipeline would bring oil to Russia then to Europe further increasing Russia's economic power over europe...not global power, regional power. Fuck people can't think.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23657688 - 09/19/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The US did not stay in Iraq for human rights, that's rhetoric for you to swallow so they can occupy. The US support Saddam when he was fading kurds, ots US chemical companies who make the gases....

Troll#1 you should answer some questions, perhaps enlighten us on why the US invaded Iraq, because wmds were not found. So please, point by point, why did the US invade Iraq? Sttiillll waiting...trolls can't articulate anything though too busy burying themselves in holes..because you are the nutter who only believes rhetoric on the TV.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658049 - 09/19/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia has economic power of Europe as it is the largest supplier of energy, that pipeline would bring oil to Russia then to Europe further increasing Russia's economic power over europe...not global power, regional power. Fuck people can't think.




"Russia's economic power over Europe"

Is something you're exaggerating. Russia GDP $1.3 trillion http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp, EU GDP $16 trillion http://www.tradingeconomics.com/european-union/gdp.

"Fuck people can't think"

Thank you for demonstrating that reality.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23658056 - 09/19/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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there is no point in framing this as a question: the WMDs found later were legacy weapons stored since the early 90's, ie, not the WMDs that the US administration was specifying. they still lied.





what WMDs did the US administration specify? who specifically state what the WMDs were?


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their was no WMD threat to the US.




no one is claiming they were,


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they went on an assumption that they had classified WMDs, and eventually, yes, they found an old outdated stockpile.




what they found were caches that were stashed in multiple locations, not a stockpile



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not sure what human rights shit you're talking about
only liberals and conspiracy nutters say there was a claimed connection between saddam and terrorists



plenty of human rights shit. one word: Fallujah.

also, liberals will point out the truth, sometimes. in this case, this is one of those times. Saddam quelled terrorist rebellion. no Saddam = no squelch of rebellion = rebels mount greater force and danger -- which is what has happen.




a single word doesnt say much of anything when you're claiming to point out the
truth, were you implying that the US went to  Falluja to address some human rights issues? and sure, saddam quelled a terrorist rebellion but a rebellion would have
actually been an uprising of the citizens, wouldnt that mean the truth is that the
people didnt want saddam in power if they were rebelling?

let's look at a little more truth, the US troops were pulled out of Iraq under obama, citizens in several countries decided to rebel against their government and try to take control from military dictatorships much like the one saddam held, the US started arming and funding these rebellions including those 'rebels' in syria, the media called it 'arab spring' was the beginning of of ISIS, a retarded president in the US decided to fund ISIS because he didnt attend his security briefings and instead played golf and visited with youtube 'stars'


maybe if you're going to claim that liberals point out the truth then you wouldnt
have started with the lie that no WMDs were found and you might have included some
actual truth in your post other than a simple 'saddam quashed a rebellion' as the
only bit of truth included. and how about a little more truth, the bush
administration stated that saddam had WMDs but decided against admitting to
finding any as was released by the CIA, yes, bush hid the facts that WMDs were
found in hundreds of caches across the country in order to reduce the liability of
the US in treating US troops for service connected injuries

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-new-york-times-reports-wmds-found-iraq/
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq
https://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658060 - 09/19/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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anthiawe said:
The US did not stay in Iraq for human rights, that's rhetoric for you to swallow so they can occupy. The US support Saddam when he was fading kurds, ots US chemical companies who make the gases....

Troll#1 you should answer some questions, perhaps enlighten us on why the US invaded Iraq, because wmds were not found. So please, point by point, why did the US invade Iraq? Sttiillll waiting...trolls can't articulate anything though too busy burying themselves in holes..because you are the nutter who only believes rhetoric on the TV.





what are you rambling on about?


WMDs were found

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-new-york-times-reports-wmds-found-iraq/
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq
https://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23658315 - 09/19/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

When the US gave Iraq those weapons to invade Iran with....so the US found their own wmds....Iraq wasn't producing them....you found your own weapons because you're the terrorist state.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658364 - 09/19/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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When the US gave Iraq those weapons to invade Iran with....so the US found their own wmds....Iraq wasn't producing them....you found your own weapons because you're the terrorist state.





surely you have a photo of the stamps stating they're made in the US


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658398 - 09/19/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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When the US gave Iraq those weapons to invade Iran with....so the US found their own wmds....Iraq wasn't producing them....you found your own weapons because you're the terrorist state.




"because you're a terrorist state"

If the US truly was a terrorist state, you wouldn't be living the life of comfort up there in Canada. :lol:


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658433 - 09/19/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes we would, because you terrorize other countries, you already have access to our oil....not others'.


So troll did the US not supply weapons to Saddam? Or how did that play out? Please enlighten me.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658645 - 09/19/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not about GDP it's about a strategic political advantage Russia has over Europe as it supplies the energy, which is critical to the works of any country.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658765 - 09/19/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not about GDP it's about a strategic political advantage Russia has over Europe as it supplies the energy, which is critical to the works of any country.




You do realize Russia NEEDS to sell that oil and gas to the EU? 

If you haven't noticed the low price of oil has really hit the Russian economy, stock market and currency very hard lately.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: anthiawe]
    #23658936 - 09/19/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And who is creating the sliding oil prices? An American ally?? So wouldn't oil from Iran be quite beneficial for Russia?


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23659518 - 09/19/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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so there were lots of lies involved in the approval and in the end of the war. :shrug: not exactly the shining picture of truth, considering that.

so they found WMDs but then they didn't...but then they did!

very clever. still a war clearly off on the wrong foot, and one who's casualties and who's cost was NOT...WORTH...IT.


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