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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: falsereality]
    #23657042 - 09/18/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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the US freed the shit out of Iraq. ISIS says hello and thanks for the country and the weapons. the mothers say "weep weep", but we all know that's code for "all hail American democracy!"




Yeah we did. Don't you think Iraq is better off now, than it was before the war?



Not in the least


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: falsereality]
    #23657055 - 09/18/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah we did. Don't you think Iraq is better off now, than it was before the war?

@anthiawe

What about Lebanon, Iraq and Turkey?




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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: koods]
    #23657068 - 09/18/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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the US freed the shit out of Iraq. ISIS says hello and thanks for the country and the weapons. the mothers say "weep weep", but we all know that's code for "all hail American democracy!"




Yeah we did. Don't you think Iraq is better off now, than it was before the war?



Not in the least




I really don't have an opinion on this subject, but what's your rational on Iraq being a worst place to live in today?


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: qman]
    #23657077 - 09/18/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's not so much that Iraq is just "a worst place to live", Merican.

it's not what they FUCKING WANTED. they can adjust. they just have NEW and DIFFERENT problems now.

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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657101 - 09/18/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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it's not so much that Iraq is just "a worst place to live", Merican.

it's not what they FUCKING WANTED. they can adjust. they just have NEW and DIFFERENT problems now.




Who's "they"?  The people being oppressed by Saddam?  What makes Iraq worst today?


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: qman]
    #23657191 - 09/18/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

1: "they" are the republic of the Iraqi people.
2: there are people oppressed by their governments in every country. this is your slogan, remember? government = evil; right?
3: again, it's not about Iraq being worse-off in some ways, and better-off in some ways, without Saddam. it's about the fact that it was an illegal war, and though it may have been justified to take out Saddam, as he was a dictatorial asshat with immense humans rights violations, that's not reason enough to have gone so roughshod, and without the proper resources, operational planning, human rights procedures (within the US fucking ARMY), and without the proper intelligence, attempts at a diplomatic solution (which there couldn't have been, since there was no WMDs and the entire affront was a sham) -- and there should have been due reconstruction, which was not planned for well-enough, and failed, and also due rationale considering the aftereffects of the war considering a power vacuum for collective terror groups; and also, being unable to reconcile the cost of investment versus the outcome.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey *DELETED* [Re: anthiawe]
    #23657212 - 09/18/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: greencrush420]
    #23657220 - 09/18/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you keep feeding the war machine. instead of taking out the perpetrators, you talk talk talk and feed feed feed. nothing gets better. nothing has room to evolve. talk a big game but have no winners. homeostasis. the Middle Easterners will vy for freedom from oppression, the bombs drop, more people become the oppressors, and the oppressors continue to grow in numbers. there are more now than ever before.

explain this.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657225 - 09/18/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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1: "they" are the republic of the Iraqi people.
2: there are people oppressed by their governments in every country. this is your slogan, remember? government = evil; right?
3: again, it's not about Iraq being worse-off in some ways, and better-off in some ways, without Saddam. it's about the fact that it was an illegal war, and though it may have been justified to take out Saddam, as he was a dictatorial asshat with immense humans rights violations, that's not reason enough to have gone so roughshod, and without the proper resources, operational planning, human rights procedures (within the US fucking ARMY), and without the proper intelligence, attempts at a diplomatic solution (which there couldn't have been, since there was no WMDs and the entire affront was a sham) -- and there should have been due reconstruction, which was not planned for well-enough, and failed, and also due rationale considering the aftereffects of the war considering a power vacuum for collective terror groups; and also, being unable to reconcile the cost of investment versus the outcome.




"it was an illegal war"

Really, so what makes it illegal?  What would have made it legal?


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657231 - 09/18/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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that's not reason enough to have gone so roughshod, and without human rights procedures (within the US fucking ARMY), and without the proper intelligence, attempts at a diplomatic solution




You literally have no,idea what you are talking about, do you?
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the US is filled with war mongering morons that want to fight with literally everyone, for their lack of spankings. they are whiny baby cunts. that is all. bring it. i'd love to see America destroyed, because of mainly people such as those whom post on the internet. i've seen enough evidence to support the destruction of at least 50% of the overall idiocy on the planet, if the US population on the internet was done away with.

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your healthcare system sucks




LOL laughable.

and PS: seriously who cares about the news? this thread isn't about news. it's about MURICA NUMBER ONE IDIOTS YEAH MURICA!

eat skittles.




Let em' try. :shrug:
We're always game for a fight. :rabble:


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: qman] * 1
    #23657250 - 09/18/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the operations undertaken not being defined as legal.

the WMDs were a lie. the humans rights excuse was proposed afterwards, and was shown to have no real significant bearing on the decision to go to war. it's also been shown that Saddam was harboring no terrorists, but in fact, were fighting them; obvious another fallacy from US intelligence.

basically, it was illegal. no further argument required. what's the next goal post, Qman?

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that's not reason enough to have gone so roughshod, and without human rights procedures (within the US fucking ARMY), and without the proper intelligence, attempts at a diplomatic solution




You literally have no,idea what you are talking about, do you?



i dunno, do i?
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the US is filled with war mongering morons that want to fight with literally everyone, for their lack of spankings. they are whiny baby cunts. that is all. bring it. i'd love to see America destroyed, because of mainly people such as those whom post on the internet. i've seen enough evidence to support the destruction of at least 50% of the overall idiocy on the planet, if the US population on the internet was done away with.




Let em' try. :shrug:
We're always game for a fight. :rabble:




that was mostly a joke. i love the US, the constitution makes me swoon. it's the people that make me wanna vomit, though.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657252 - 09/18/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you keep feeding the war machine. instead of taking out the perpetrators, you talk talk talk and feed feed feed. nothing gets better. nothing has room to evolve. talk a big game but have no winners. homeostasis. the Middle Easterners will vy for freedom from oppression, the bombs drop, more people become the oppressors, and the oppressors continue to grow in numbers. there are more now than ever before.

explain this.



Really, you want me to explain your made up facts?
There are more now than ever? Okay, I'll explain that one. You're wrong.
We don't take out the perpetrators? Wrong again, but you can't get them all. They hide in plain sight. Guerrilla warfare, threats, coercion, fresh recruits coming over the Pakistan border. It ain't that easy.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23657266 - 09/18/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Really, you want me to explain your made up facts?
There are more now than ever? Okay, I'll explain that one. You're wrong.



no.
http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Global-Terrorism-Index-2015.pdf

since 2003, there has been a significant increase, up until Syria, which has now exploded those figures dramatically.

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We don't take out the perpetrators? Wrong again, but you can't get them all. They hide in plain sight. Guerrilla warfare, threats, coercion, fresh recruits coming over the Pakistan border. It ain't that easy.




there's nothing wrong with defending an allied country. thing is you (yes, YOU) inspired much more oppressors of that general region in the process of taking it over. not to mention, you didn't change much. you just got yourself involved, some can easily sense, for financial and strategic gain.


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    #23657271 - 09/18/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657283 - 09/18/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Couldn't get the PDF to open in my phone, but whatever the stats are. I have to question how they were acquired. I suppose we just picked up the phone and called every mud hut in the middle East and asked, "do you support terrorism, and extremist groups in the region", "are you an active member of an extremist religious group that regularly perpetrated acts of terror on your own people", "if so, did you decide to join before of after the U.S invasion of Iraq"?
Aaight let's tally them up. :lol:
Media generated stats. :wow:


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: greencrush420]
    #23657286 - 09/18/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and then what pisses me off, is ISIS shows on the scene with THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS INFLICTIONS, and the US barely bats an eye!


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: greencrush420]
    #23657290 - 09/18/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Couldn't get the PDF to open in my phone, but whatever the stats are. I have to question how they were acquired. I suppose we just picked up the phone and called every household,in the middle East and asked, "do you support terrorism, and extremist groups in the region", "are you an active member of an extremist religious group that regularly perpetrated acts of terror on your own people", "if so, did you decide to join before of after the U.S invasion of Iraq"?
Aaight let's tally them up. :lol:
Media generated stats. :wow:



the stats aren't whom supports the US led invasion of their home nation (no one does that), the stats are about the number of terrorist attacks in the region.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657301 - 09/18/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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the stats aren't whom supports the US led invasion of their home nation (no one does that)



Wrong.
I've just finished explaining this in depth.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23657323 - 09/18/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

no. wrong. you didn't. there may have been people who wanted Saddam ousted. there was perhaps a minority that thought the US could help. they did not get what they asked for. they instead got treated as co-conspirators (thousands) and got murdered, in plenty of cases...they got Saddam, but incurred a huge cost that didn't project a solid return of investment. they lost out on their hope to oust Saddam, those who didn't feel like they had lost anything were a minority. and the majority of Iraqi's (whom fought a fucking war with you to DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY) did NOT want Saddam deposed, CLEARLY. they FOUGHT YOU.

caps for clarification. i'm not shouting. i'm just bewildered that i have to specifically point out this tacitly obviously factoid, but if only to make it perfectly clear that what you consider the rationale for entering into war with Iraq, it wasn't at the behest of all the Iraqi people, but perhaps at the behest of a minority, whom were perhaps not so insular towards the US, but nevertheless were a minority, and therefore not adequate support for your rationale that they (as in all of Iraq) "wanted a US led home invasion" of troops, bombs, and tanks...so don't act like that's the case.


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Re: 8 Stabbed in minnesota and pipe bombings in New Jersey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657334 - 09/18/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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and then what pisses me off, is ISIS shows on the scene with THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS INFLICTIONS, and the US barely bats an eye!



We literally went back to Iraq because of Isis. That is the ONLY reason we went back.  Why no mass scale invasion in Syria?
ISIS in Syria is a whole nother issue. You have to remember, their dictator used WMD on his own people. Hence the rise of ISIS. The US didn't have shit to do with ISIS, an oppressed, downtrodden people, who,are being murdered in mass lead to the rise of ISIS. He's committed genocide on a massive scale. Both sides are fucking evil, but they feed each other.


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