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Boogieman47
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Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated
#23655380 - 09/18/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its a little bit just cause i think will be a funny mix but i have the star gazers and penis envy and ill call them peter gazers haha joking aside im serious... pasty already explained the best way is to take two fresh prints or swabs and put onto agar ... so once the myc grows then transfer a few times ect... once grows i clone it then grow that then print that and go on from there each print i take will be a new generation right? I was talking with pasty about stabilizing a bit so thats kinda what i wanna know most about what to look for and how to fix the issue
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655386 - 09/18/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know it's not easy. Especially when you have no idea if the sector you're taking is PE, another strain, or the hybrid strain.
This has been done before though. I believe with PF Classic and PE
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Mushierage]
#23655393 - 09/18/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pe6 and others pastys rustywhytes also another dude is doing ksss and pe... i didnt even think about the transfers of myc being different thats a good point
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655397 - 09/18/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't you need rattlesnake venom or something
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23655401 - 09/18/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont think so thats going into mixing othwr speciescubes with cubes will mix im pretty sure
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655407 - 09/18/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: I dont think so thats going into mixing othwr speciescubes with cubes will mix im pretty sure
Oh right I just glanced at something the other day cos it said rattlesnake venom and thought cool, didn't really read it tbh.
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655409 - 09/18/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If two monokaryotic variants meet, you will get a hybrid with genetics from each.
Could be bad or good. You never know until you fruit it.
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655435 - 09/18/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: I dont think so thats going into mixing othwr speciescubes with cubes will mix im pretty sure
what you're doing isnt called a hybrid tho, a hybrid is from 2 different species like pans and cubes, those apparently need snake venom.
stargazers is just a renamed cube tho isnt it? what do you want this love child to look like or do that's special?
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: spacechildo]
#23655440 - 09/18/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya its a cube pretty much give the gazers a more solid stem and potency like the pe butstill drop spores
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655448 - 09/18/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow.. thats one hell of a job! so basically first look for more normal looking PE, or more PE looking "normals", then find one that drops spore AND hope it has good potency and then stabilize the line over several generations...
I dont think you know what you're getting yourself into but go ahead and try if you wanna play around, just mix spores of 2 varieties on a plate and hope/look for the best
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655454 - 09/18/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Pe6 and others pastys rustywhytes also another dude is doing ksss and pe... i didnt even think about the transfers of myc being different thats a good point
KSSS and PE would be super interesting. Would love to see how that turns out.
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: spacechildo]
#23655459 - 09/18/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know its a hard task very hard just figured id expand my mind a little on trying some difficult shit i dont have anything else to do all day but fuck around haha ... ya i did see its best to use two that are similiar
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655477 - 09/18/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey man, if you got the time and the tenacity for such things, I say more power to you.
I would personally take a shit load of sectors and transfer them until you start seeing mono cultures. Then take those mono cultures you have and put each to a small controlled substrate.
Maybe big gulps or even Kramer cakes.
Then take what you have leftover in previous plate and tiger drop each of them into grain jars and spawn those to monos.
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Mushierage]
#23655492 - 09/18/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not sure if isolation is best at first for trying to get two cubes to mix being that you could get one or the other in an isolate you know ? Basically my plan is to cut down strains with 6 or 7transfers then start testing each plate after that
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655495 - 09/18/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: I know its a hard task very hard just figured id expand my mind a little on trying some difficult shit i dont have anything else to do all day but fuck around haha ... ya i did see its best to use two that are similiar
no, its best to use 2 that are completely different, otherwise you wont know if you've succeeded or not. how can you tell if you've successfully mixed B+ and GT... the offspring would just look like a regular cube.
dont go for isolates/monocultures before letting them splice, that's just BS from a guy that loves to take wild ass guesses
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: spacechildo]
#23655510 - 09/18/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya youre right that makes sense but say you did mix two that were average potency if you could get it down they should have a higher potency right? I mean if they looked the same who cares but the potency would be what mattered
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655524 - 09/18/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Ya youre right that makes sense but say you did mix two that were average potency if you could get it down they should have a higher potency right? I mean if they looked the same who cares but the potency would be what mattered
why would 2 average sets of genetics create something that's better? by mixing varieties you just mix traits from each set into each other, like rustywhyte where he wants the leucistic fruits and red spores, but the stuff you are looking for isnt something you can see (like potency) so its gonna take a lot more effort to get down.
its like breeding anything, a strong dumb dog with a smaller smarter dog breed could still result in a small dumb dog instead of a big smart one.
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655529 - 09/18/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Ya youre right that makes sense but say you did mix two that were average potency if you could get it down they should have a higher potency right? I mean if they looked the same who cares but the potency would be what mattered
I'd have thought the potency of the offspring would be lower potency than the stronger of the two. Like mixing straight vodka with cola
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: spacechildo]
#23655533 - 09/18/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha well i know we cant see potency i wasnt sure if that was possible or would happen i know these are nothing like bud but you cant see potency yet they still making it stronger and stronger i dont grow pot so i dont know all entailed but thats why i was thinking potency could be heightend
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23655541 - 09/18/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Ya youre right that makes sense but say you did mix two that were average potency if you could get it down they should have a higher potency right? I mean if they looked the same who cares but the potency would be what mattered
I'd have thought the potency of the offspring would be lower potency than the stronger of the two. Like mixing straight vodka with cola
Not necessarily. Dominant genetics for potency will rule here. But you aren't going to know which is or isn't. A new variant can suppress genetics from one or the other, for any trait that is controlled by the genetics of the new variant.
For example, you could have KSSS and PE, and get the short stubby genetics of the Koh and the potency of the PE. Or vice versa. It depends on which dominant genetics will rule, and honestly you won't be able to tell for potency because good potency genetics can come from any strain, it just depends.
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23655546 - 09/18/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Ya youre right that makes sense but say you did mix two that were average potency if you could get it down they should have a higher potency right? I mean if they looked the same who cares but the potency would be what mattered
I'd have thought the potency of the offspring would be lower potency than the stronger of the two. Like mixing straight vodka with cola
you cant know that, just like you cant know what your first or second born child will be like, the genetic code/dna of everything living is built up by different alleles that tells you what color hair you'll have, where your fingers will grow, how long they will be etc. you cant mix 2 people and think you'll now get 2 sets of genetics that says what your fingers will look like, you'll get a mix of both, some traits are recessive and will be rarer will others will be dominant and more likely to show.
If higher potency is what you're looking for you'll be better off just cloning or isolating strains off any culture, toss the weak ones keep the strong ones.
If I want a best friend that's really smart its easier to go out in the world look for a smart cool friend than trying to splice genetics in a lab from 1 smart and 1 cool person and hope I got the right traits in my spawned friend
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Re: Going to try a hybrid any help is appreciated [Re: spacechildo]
#23655626 - 09/18/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha but making a friend in a lab would be way cooler you may up with a handsome feller like him haha ... basically the potency will come its just the doing it part that interests me you know ? I could end up with some mutated freaks that look ugly as fuck but potent or some good looking shrooms that are bunk its just when its done i can say i did it
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