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Mushierage
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Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs
#23655145 - 09/18/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Local is the keyword here. I absolutely do not wish to order, and I wish to get high volume here. Enough to start 6-7 tubs, and keep those tubs interchanging for the next 4-6 months.
There are several stores I can go to and get large amounts of bulk subs, casings, etc. Just need to know really what brands to keep an eye out, what stores have the best deals for the volume, etc.
I've already found an 11kg brick of pure coir at Lowes for about $20. Picking that up Thursday, but I'm also looking for manure based substrates, casing Etc. I know about Jiffy mix, so there that, but looking for other/all options so I am not limited to just one brand or just one volume of that brand be it small or large.
Stores that are nearby me are: Several local plant nurseries and garden centers (they tend to overcharge for everything) Lowes, Home Depot, TSC, as well as a few other locally owned small ma and pop type flower shops.
Suggestions are welcome. Again, ordering is not an option. Not having high volume shit delivered to my house, nor am I getting raped by shipping.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655180 - 09/18/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A bail of hay wouldn't be too hard for you to attain.
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Mushierage
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I'm not using straw or "hay". I could get that where I get my grain if I wanted.
Maybe to spawn an outside straw log for edibles, but not for this.
Any other suggestions?
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655203 - 09/18/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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id find the closet horse farm. ask for field shit. stay away from stable poo.
(ive posted this pic a billion times but oh well)

this took 20min to fill up. i remember how thrilled 'farmer john' was when my goofy ass was like 'uhh can i have a little field manure for my uhh rose garden' his face lit up and gathered it for me. i didnt do shit. and it was FREEEEEE
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: mushboy]
#23655255 - 09/18/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow. That's a great idea.
I pass a shit load of farms and horse stables on my way to/from work everyday. I'll have to stop at one or two.
Any other suggestions?
Oh, and... Shakey or not shakey??

The two on the left are like 30-40 % but they are colonizing so well, I'm not sure I even need to shake.
The one in the middle, I shook. The Myc looks kinda grey because of the "blue" tinge it has from bruising. It's recovering well, but not sure the shaking helped a lot.
The three on the right are freshly inoculated aa+ that won't be germinating for at least a few days.
I put spores to grain full well knowing what that could mean. I have agar but I'm waiting for my plates. When I get them, I'll start 3 clean grain masters of each. :/
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655333 - 09/18/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i personally dont shake. i MAYBE increased the colonizing times by 1-2 days... and right now, for once, i have TOO MUCH SPAWN(sad right?) and i almost want it to slow down. damn you agar!!
but definitely hit up them stables for field poo. my wife used to ride horses and she told me her farm had to PAY SOMEONE to gather and collect the shit in the field.
you come strolling through and they will gladly let you get some... beware! farmer john did ramble on about the trees and the hills for awhile but all the hpoo was enough for like 20 monos... and free
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: mushboy]
#23655598 - 09/18/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer a peat based casing layer, I love jiffy mix but this tek using large bales of peat you can pick up locally for cheap is more cost effective https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22091522
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: NDStepp84]
#23655627 - 09/18/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Duly noted. I've got the casing solution of this equation mostly worked out. It's the nutritious bulk substrate part of this equation I'm looking to solve now. Though the "bale" of peat does interest me.
I've seen large bags of composted manure based substrates locally for decent prices, but I've had little experience with them. Guess I'll just have to try them and find out.
I'll definitely be pasteurizing my mixture well however. I don't trust any brands to not freak out and start producing some odd shit.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655644 - 09/18/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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In all actuality, most of my bulk is going to likely be a mixture of the following, pasteurized in an oven bag for 3 hrs at 300F.
Dehydrated/Aged Horse poo Organic Coco coir Vermiculite Gypsum
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655654 - 09/18/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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300f is beyond pasteurization. its more like 160-165f.
you dont want to kill the microbe's in the doodie.
you can steam pf style in a spawn bag or in jars. i always used a pillow case and a seafood steamer with a basket to drain the poo.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655663 - 09/18/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got a 40lb bag of course verm at ace hardware for 35 bucks look on craigslist for shit people give it away on there or like mush said go talk to a farmer even a person with one horse will be able to give you 100lbs easy gypsum at walmart was like 20lbs for 10bucks i think petsmart has ecoearth 8.99 for three bricks but id pasteurize atleast not the bucket with that
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: mushboy]
#23655666 - 09/18/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I need to Reread the pastuerization method because it's been awhile. I'll do so before getting to this portion of my tub prep.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655670 - 09/18/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush i think he meant in his oven thats how i do it its give or take on time tho... i run my oven at 350 and just babysit it the core to reach 135 takes about 1.5 hours or so depending on bulk of it and then i turn oven off sometimes it rises so fast i take it out and let cool
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655674 - 09/18/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I meant in oven bags in the oven yes. But I do need to Reread the tek. Believe it was Frank's proper pastuerization method. Like I said it's been awhile.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655678 - 09/18/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its eatyualive who does the oven tek i believe
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655685 - 09/18/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
noob47 said: Its eatyualive who does the oven tek i believe
Just checked and I think you are correct. Frank's uses the stovetop
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655860 - 09/18/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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d'oh!
i thought you ment bring the bag to 300...
my guy got extra good herb and im just not paying attention
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: mushboy]
#23655866 - 09/18/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's been a long few weeks for me myself. Everything has been dry for me, and I'm used to my weekly ritual. Daily for buds.
So gonna make damn sure I don't go without for a long fuckin while.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23655902 - 09/18/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ha yah. back to school season always dries everything up.. damn kids
sorta off topic but can you post a pic of the coco from lowes? i couldnt find it... and im not about to ask where it is. i have too much pride for that nonsense :p
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: mushboy]
#23655905 - 09/18/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will once I buy it lol. Thursday probably bro.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23656054 - 09/18/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey mush, I just wanted to give my 2 cents, if the plan is keeping 7 tubs interchanging over a period of time I think the best and easiest way to accomplish this would be with just coir sub. Hear me out, the biggest issue you are going to have keeping the system going while using poo is a lot of time spent pasteurizing, which isn't really a big deal on a smaller scale, but remember you are also going to spending a ton of time producing spawn, you need spawn bags, you quickly realize how much time and labor that saves when producing large amounts of grain spawn, not to mention incubation space and ease of spawning large amounts of tubs.
Secondly, I have found it incredibly simple to prep 7 tubs worth of coir in one shot using a 5kg brick of coir(which is how I buy them)
Take your 5kg brick and break it up into smaller pieces inside of a large tote. Add 4 gallons of vermiculite 5-7 cups of gypsum Boil 7 1/2 gallons of water and pour into the tote Use a shovel and give a quick mix and put the lid on. Come back an hour later and mix it up really well again. Wait to cool and use. I have my 7 tubs already lined and ready when the sub is cooled and use a well cleaned gallon pitcher to distribute 3 gallons per tub, I also case at spawning so I throw a little more of the sub on there after mixing the spawn.
That recipe makes 7 cased tubs exactly, and is extremely streamlined and not very laborious.
Anyways, not trying to sway your choice of substrate, I just wanted let you know how easy it can be making a bunch of tubs at once with just coir.
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That's actually a really good point.
I really honestly am not looking forward to pasteurizing all this, and CVG might actually save me from having to expend too much labor for negligible returns. Plus, the "bucket" method can be used with what you're suggestion.
Definitely something to think about.
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Re: Convenient -Local- Bulk Subs [Re: Mushierage]
#23656104 - 09/18/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah it's just like bucket tek, just a large bulk version of the bucket tek, I found it a super handy way to start a 7 tub run in just a few hours, though the real work is in getting that spawn together.
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Quote:
Rooster Cogburn said: Yeah it's just like bucket tek, just a large bulk version of the bucket tek, I found it a super handy way to start a 7 tub run in just a few hours, though the real work is in getting that spawn together.
The spawn part isn't an issue for me.
Definitely going to be mulling this one around while my spawn colonizes. Thanks for the help
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