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Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon?
#23654203 - 09/17/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The phenomenon in question is a disparity between mind and reality. Let me explain..
The first time that I really had feelings for a girl (back around 9th grade), is when I first noticed this phenomenon. It took me awhile to become aware of it though.
In my mind, when I thought of her, she would be represented by someone that looked completely different than her. In real life, this girl was Hispanic, but sometimes when I lay down to bed at night, I would think of her before falling asleep and in my mind she was a blond white girl.
You might read the above and speculate that I must have been half-asleep, because sometimes people and things look different in our dreams than they do in real life. But I have noticed this in the middle of daytime.
A couple years ago, I had a mescaline experience in which I was convinced that I was "meant to be" with a girl that I knew in real life, but in the experience (which was not that intense at all), I imagined her appearance much different than it actually was. Even though this was a drug experience and I wasn't sober, again I have noticed this phenomenon sober and awake.
Another semi-related phenomenon - I have often been unable to recall the faces of women that I have had feelings for in my mind. This would happen even when I saw these women or came into contact with them almost every day. This also used to be the case with my best friend whom I hadn't seen in a few years. Granted I had pictures of him to look at, so it wasn't because I had forgotten what he looked like. It seemed to me that this occurred with people whom I was very fond of.
Has anyone else experienced this type of distorted perception? OR is there a documented name given to the thing I'm talking about?
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23654652 - 09/18/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dunno if it's the same, but sometimes I have dreams when I'm with a certain person I know from meatspace, and I'll be talking to them like I do in meatspace, but they can look very different, like other people. In the dream I know they look different but it doesn't bother me for some reason.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23654827 - 09/18/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like a perspective of duality to me.
What you call the mind I call the central nervous system(brain and spine) and it creates implicit perceptions which are the imaginations and fantasies of an individual as you've explained with your white girl, blonde hair example.
Reality as I would call it consists of explicit expectations, this simply means what reality is which in your case is a Hispanic girl.
An easier way to think of it is like this. Minds dive on implicit perceptions and mental phenomena. Planes fly on explicit expectations and physical tendencies.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23655073 - 09/18/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Celestial Traveler said: The phenomenon in question is a disparity between mind and reality. Let me explain..
The first time that I really had feelings for a girl (back around 9th grade), is when I first noticed this phenomenon. It took me awhile to become aware of it though.
In my mind, when I thought of her, she would be represented by someone that looked completely different than her. In real life, this girl was Hispanic, but sometimes when I lay down to bed at night, I would think of her before falling asleep and in my mind she was a blond white girl.
You might read the above and speculate that I must have been half-asleep, because sometimes people and things look different in our dreams than they do in real life. But I have noticed this in the middle of daytime.
A couple years ago, I had a mescaline experience in which I was convinced that I was "meant to be" with a girl that I knew in real life, but in the experience (which was not that intense at all), I imagined her appearance much different than it actually was. Even though this was a drug experience and I wasn't sober, again I have noticed this phenomenon sober and awake.
Another semi-related phenomenon - I have often been unable to recall the faces of women that I have had feelings for in my mind. This would happen even when I saw these women or came into contact with them almost every day. This also used to be the case with my best friend whom I hadn't seen in a few years. Granted I had pictures of him to look at, so it wasn't because I had forgotten what he looked like. It seemed to me that this occurred with people whom I was very fond of.
Has anyone else experienced this type of distorted perception? OR is there a documented name given to the thing I'm talking about?
Can't say that I have but it sounds pretty interesting I'd be interested to know if you find out anything more about it
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Kickle]
#23655425 - 09/18/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is identification and realisation of spiritual 'clothing' from what I understand of it.
The vessel is irrelevant above the core purpose and goal.
The mind will juggle the masks to fit the purpose of your path.
I've witnessed it numerous times and like you, it mostly occurs upon meeting females or people who I regard as important in my life.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23656405 - 09/18/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The best we can do is be true to ourselves.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23656410 - 09/18/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl said: This is identification and realisation of spiritual 'clothing' from what I understand of it.
The vessel is irrelevant above the core purpose and goal.
The mind will juggle the masks to fit the purpose of your path.
I've witnessed it numerous times and like you, it mostly occurs upon meeting females or people who I regard as important in my life.
why are females more important than males in your life? From a spiritual lens, I mean. I get the sexual one.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: sudly]
#23656412 - 09/18/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sudly said: The best we can do is be true to ourselves.
right on
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Kickle]
#23656743 - 09/18/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
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Duncan Rowhl said: This is identification and realisation of spiritual 'clothing' from what I understand of it.
The vessel is irrelevant above the core purpose and goal.
The mind will juggle the masks to fit the purpose of your path.
I've witnessed it numerous times and like you, it mostly occurs upon meeting females or people who I regard as important in my life.
why are females more important than males in your life? From a spiritual lens, I mean. I get the sexual one.
I don't consider females more important. I just finished the statement with reference to important people, who may be male or female.
It's from a material perspective and this perhaps is where the loss of data might stem from - conflict in material vs spiritual understanding,
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/18/16 07:33 PM)
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Kickle] 1
#23656820 - 09/18/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said:
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Duncan Rowhl said: This is identification and realisation of spiritual 'clothing' from what I understand of it.
The vessel is irrelevant above the core purpose and goal.
The mind will juggle the masks to fit the purpose of your path.
I've witnessed it numerous times and like you, it mostly occurs upon meeting females or people who I regard as important in my life.
why are females more important than males in your life? From a spiritual lens, I mean. I get the sexual one.
Because, like everyone else pretending to be a holy man, Duncan is a massive horndog.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23668829 - 09/22/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It sounds like you like some qualities of girls yet remain stubborn about physical appearances. I cannot imagine like everyone about one person.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23669271 - 09/22/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What makes you say this?
If the reason is that you think the blonde image of her was my ideal appearance of her, I thought her appearance in real life was much more appealing than the blonde image.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23670248 - 09/23/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps then you would feel more comfortable and at ease if she was less attractive?
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23671312 - 09/23/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23671715 - 09/23/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why's that?
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Kickle]
#23672151 - 09/23/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wasn't intimidated by how attractive she was. I can get why you might speculate that given the information you have, and I'm not being in-denial about it, but I'm just pretty sure that's not the case.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23673438 - 09/24/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's cool bro good response I was just curious as I hadn't thought of that possibility but thought it was worth pondering.
IMO you should test it by approaching that girl and seeing if you really aren't intimidated.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Kickle]
#23673618 - 09/24/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I moved away after the 9th grade lol, that was like ten years ago.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23682266 - 09/27/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe it's simple curiosity? I wonder what she would look like blonde, and poof, she's a blonde in your dreams. I wonder what she would be like dark skinned? Poof, a few nights later the dream is her as a dark skinned version.
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Re: Have you ever had this really interesting mental phenomenon? [Re: nuentoter]
#23683519 - 09/27/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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See but the thing is, this occurred in my waking imagination, not in my dreams at night.
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