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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23653802 - 09/17/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The root of all evil is greed.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23653846 - 09/17/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't have access to a good cactus but I do have a b caapi plant and LSA as well as gonna get chacruna if ayahuasca can be a substitute

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Asante]
    #23653900 - 09/17/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante with 1 S, my good man :sun:

Since you so generously offer earthly wealth in exchange for the generation and testimonials of acquired spiritual wealth, it would be odd to consider association of value the root of evil.

You associate value to Krishnamurti's teachings, to the Mescaline experience and to the insights derived thereof and seek to promote them with the promise of earthly wealth.

The ones who truly get it would testify of their convictions with or without coveting the half-stack of 100s or the pretty gold bar.




@asante,

indeed, asante.  but can we consider it anything else?  for if it was money itself that was the root of evil there would not be exploitation outside of financial interaction.  and surely there are many forms, both subtle and gross, of exploitation.  there is the exploitation of resources, sexual/emotional/interpersonal exploitation, ideological exploitation and so on.  so the root of it must exist outside of money. 

gold is indeed a better idea than straight up dollars.  the speaker was considering bitcoin as a means and transferring the winnings.  but gold is an interesting idea.  but still, as you point out, does not solve the problem of associated value.  what solves the problem of associated value is right interest.  and we can only find right interest in relationship.  that is, fundamentally, the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE. 

now sir, if you don't formally enter, you are now a participant and therefore are entitled to one vote.  the winner must be discerned universally.  this is another layer of the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE.  the very selection of the winner depends on discernment and not belief.  the group, us sir, we have to communicate earnestly, and honestly, and not assert our own subjective ideations.  not assert our own opinions but rather look at a problem integrally.  for when we focus on one side, we don't see the entire object, we don't see the integrated nature of the problem.       

now surely opinion is belief, and belief is the ends of want.  isn't that so sir?  one wants something to be true, for the means of self gratification, or self protection, and therefore one engenders belief.  and the same is true in reverse.  one has a belief and therefore it drives a want.  so want is belief, mechanically they are one movement- merely divided categorically by thought and perception. 

now belief and want are not discernment.  discernment is a different animal altogether.  discernment is the mind functioning outside of its subjective barriers.  universal discernment is the only way a winner here will be selected. 

sir isn't it that duality in relationship is the key which unlocks universal discernment?  that is, when one meets conflict in relationship it is an intimation that perception is skewed?  an indication that one or both parties looks through some image? 

so effectively, relationship is the mirror through which the self is revealed.  isn't that it sir?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23653905 - 09/17/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

and what is greed sir?  is greed not the inflation of associated value?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23653927 - 09/17/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Mike4aco said:
I don't have access to a good cactus but I do have a b caapi plant and LSA as well as gonna get chacruna if ayahuasca can be a substitute




@mike4aco,

sir, by jove!  do whatever is legal in your area! 

the contest is (legal) cactus or it equivalent.  the speaker cannot for you say what is an equivalent, the experiences are so unique and there are too many scales of measurement.  you decide what is its equivalent.  just by jove sir!  make sure it's legal!  we don't want to upset the overlords good sir.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23653957 - 09/17/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hell I'll do it for free.  If said recommendations better me as a human then that will be enough. THANKS! I'm in.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23653958 - 09/17/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@spiritshadow,

and what is greed sir?  is greed not the inflation of associated value?



Thats one way to put it. Im sure jealously has something to do with it as well. Why can't people just be content? Dindu, what compells YOU? im curious.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23653985 - 09/17/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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skywalker444 said:
Hell I'll do it for free.  If said recommendations better me as a human then that will be enough. THANKS! I'm in.




This is the main reason I joined in. If I'm better as a human than it doesn't matter what material gains I can win if my spiritual body is bettered

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23653991 - 09/17/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The root of all evil is greed.




I'm here to tell you boys that PUSSY is the root of all evil. True story.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23654675 - 09/18/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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falsereality said:
Why the fuck should we believe you are giving anyone 5k at the end of this?

Inb4 OP bails on his own challenge.




@falserealtiy,

why the fuck would you believe anything sir?  why the fuck would you believe when you can discern?




See my username bro. I'm familiar with the concept you are alluding to. Also, if you are in the US, as of this moment I agree to your terms and we are in a legally binding agreement in which something of value (my musings on psychedelia) is being exchanged for a chance to win 5k USD.

Now... That doesn't mean you have to pay me 5k on the delivery of my musings, but it does mean that you have to give somebody 5k for winning the challenge in a reasonable amount of time.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23654736 - 09/18/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So yesturday, i did a quick Google search of this challenge, and found something interesting.

Apparently, Dindu, u made a thread discussion at the Ducan Trussel MAPS forum site: http://www.duncantrussell.com/

The thread had been deleted for some reason, but the title of the challenge was still in the google search.

Now i must ask, what was the results of that discussion? Did u reach discernment with those MAPS members? Was their communion? Did a member complete the challenge sucessfully?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23654747 - 09/18/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@logical chaos,

it is here sir:

http://www.dtfhforum.com/topic/5-the-krishnamurti-challenge-win-big-big-money/

the one year mark for the contest is in late december.  then we vote.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23654749 - 09/18/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@falsereality,

what is also means is that the winner must be universally discerned.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23654805 - 09/18/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok thanks.

So approximation. In science, scientists approximate measurements to the "true" Universal value using human measurements like meters, milimeters inches and feet (as an example).

Approximation is on a continuem (sp?). Close approximation and inaccurate approximation. We approximate our security by looking towards the past, into our memories, we approximate our activity closer and closer to action. We approximate the understanding of our true self using relationships toward other objects, symbols and people.

Because we are living beings, we can only approximate the true nature of knowledge but never actually experience the true nature of said knowledge. Is this all correct Dindu?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23654830 - 09/18/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@spiritshadow,

and what is greed sir?  is greed not the inflation of associated value?



Thats one way to put it. Im sure jealously has something to do with it as well. Why can't people just be content? Dindu, what compells YOU? im curious.




That ones easy, he's compelled to show people how to discern the metaconcept that Krishnamurti developed, and spread that knowledge to encourage positive change in people, encourage community resolution and to encourage more objective understanding of the human experience, i would guess.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23654875 - 09/18/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think i got something here.....

The environment secures knowledge to the present Self by approximating experiences already known to the future Self.

In this sense, the environment is aware of past, present and future Selfs of all humans.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23656142 - 09/18/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@partofthesource,

pussy, you say?  the root of evil, you say?  the essence of it?  it's core?  let's go into it. 

now does pussy have an approximative value?  a value that shifts across scales of measurement?  that shifts across populations?  that is, does the value of pussy, differ across a population when measured on certain scale?  if so, pussy has associated value.  if that were not so, we would not be so willing to engage in rationalization/justification of exploitation the pussy hole, would we sir? 

by jove sir!  look around you!  the pussy whole is being exploited in all directions.  perhaps you just exploited the pussy yourself.  and we are not talking about a purely physiological, geometrical exploitation, but rather the perceptual exploitation of preconception.  and association of value is beyond it, so it is not the root of evil.  so then the root of evil, of exploitation is the inflated association of value, so mind is willing to rationalize and justify behaviour according to associated worth. 

so we see that the vagina may be approximated to any number of scales of value, scales of interest.  so the vagina that is approximated as having greater worth is sought in the capacity of the category of measurement.  and born is the divide between agreement and rationalized agreement, justified agreement.  that is, the more one approximates a vagina to be of great value, the more one engages in rationalization and justification of action in regards to its acquisition.  watch this in yourself sir.  find out it if is true.  find out sir, if you do not subcategorize and approximate the vageeg.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23656166 - 09/18/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Vageeg? Is that your hindu name?...Lmao jk.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23656170 - 09/18/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@falsereality,

what is also means is that the winner must be universally discerned.




Oh. So that's how you're going to avoid paying out :rofl:.

Technically, you are receiving value for a chance to win a prize, which legally constitutes a lottery in the US. Without the chance to win a prize, you are simply receiving value for nothing, which is illegal, you fucking idiot.

http://www.jonesday.com/files/publication/69ea168c-4173-4321-9fa5-d4b8bb86ae1c/presentation/publicationattachment/b9a311c5-f53d-4a89-97fc-d85993081c2e/bennet.pdf

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: falsereality]
    #23656324 - 09/18/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@logicalchaos, @spiritashadow,

so there is the question of the speaker's intent, what compels the speaker, and there is the question of association.  sirs, may we begin here?

now first we must not concern ourselves with what the speaker says.  the speaker is no guru.  no teacher.  the speaker has nothing that you don't have inside of you sirs.  so don't take anything that is said here as gospel.  find out!  find out in yourselves if it is true!  watch the flow of the mind sirs. 

so there is the matter of approximation, its nature mechanically.  its piece in the integrated processes of the mind, of perception, thought, and behaviour, which are one.

imagine sir, looking down into a dark room.  where there is an object.  you cannot see the object, it is too dark.  then, a man shines a light onto one side of the object from floor level.  a portion of the object is illuminated.  from the perception of the light source, one side of the object is clear.  it is focused in on.  that is, his perception of the object is 100% composed of lighted side.  0% the darkened side.  he then approximates the object from this angle. 

now, from your hypothetical perspective, that is, you are watching this scene unfold from above, what do you see?  surely you see something else. 

the man on ground level with the flashlight demonstrates the approximation of an object, person, or concept.  his perspective allows him to see one side of the object, whereas you see another angle. 

so the nature of approximation is to skew the image of a person, object, or concept into a smaller highlighted integrated element of itself.  effectively, approximation skews perception, thought and action. 

if you look sir, you will see the many example of this.  think of the objects and the people in your life and see how you describe them?  see if it is not a series of approximations on scales of value?  surely you'll see that every descriptor you use is a relative, comparative term.  it is an approximation relative to your experience with things in that category.  it is not truth. 

truth can be unlocked only through relationship.  that is, as we see in the example above, the perceiver can discern only one perspective, so integrated perspectives are needed to discern the whole nature of anything.  communion sir.   

now the same is true on all levels of approximation.  not merely those obvious examples, like how we approximate our wives, houses, or jobs, but those subtle examples of inward, self approximation.  those preconceptions/approximations about the self and environment that skew the understanding of the integral nature of things. 

now find out if this is true sir.  don't assume what the speaker says is truth.  you must find out!  watch yourself the next time you allow your thoughts to wander.  watch them slip into approximation, that is, watch then engage in the development of preconception, and remember the man with the flashlight in the dark room.

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