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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: mellyjane]
    #23669823 - 09/22/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

mellyjane, in the future just wait a little longer. I'm still new and have only done 3-4 grows, but they were all with the v-tek. In the grows I've done it's taken between 1.5-2+ weeks for them to start pinning. All you should have to do is unscrew the lid 1 or 2 notches and let it be.

:thumbup: Good luck!


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: senseit]
    #23671920 - 09/23/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks. Also wondering if I jumped the gun thinking 100% colonized too soon


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: Inocuole]
    #23672028 - 09/23/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PE huh?

You're gonna wanna give that thing a load of FAE or it's gonna blob to hell and back.  Probably will anyway.




FAE won't help blobbing at all.




ugh, someone should tell this rage-o-holic to stop fuckin guessing so much :facepalm:
someone he hasn't put on ignore for telling it to him, that is... :crazy:




:shrug:




Lol.

The guy really makes an effort to reach out to me, even though I've ignored him and haven't removed him from that list since.  If that doesn't prove my point about his behavior toward me, right or wrong, then :shrug:    Perhaps this is an opportunity for a little self reflection though on that "rage" you were mentioning. 

Although the things I say does seem to piss him off.  Maybe I am actually the one starting to enjoy this.  Even though I'm not actually guessing, I'm posting because I think I know the answer.  If I don't and am corrected, that's cool.  A: I learn that my method was inferior and did not work and/or was the result of some other thing I did...  And.... B: I learn the correct information to use myself and to pass on to the next person when necessary.  I see only good to come from that, but hey, jump up and down and stomp your feet all you like, and scream in caps.

I won't hear you.  :smile:


At any rate, back on topic. 

Inocuole, what actually will help with reducing blobbing with PE if FAE does nothing for it?  My experience was the increase in FAE helped a lot, but maybe it was something else I was doing?


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: Mushierage]
    #23672052 - 09/23/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yes you're the only one I see spewing bad info on a daily basis.
you really need to stop it. its not cool.

you having me on ignore is a good thing, means you won't get so pissed and start a flame fest every time I correct you :lol:


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: spacechildo]
    #23672142 - 09/23/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol.... right, right, the only reason anyone would ever want to ignore random off-topic rudeness and personal attacks that add nothing to the thread is because you are so good at "correcting" people hahaha.... couldn't possibly be that they find that kind of antagonistic behavior to be obnoxious and boring :rolleyes:

i been lurkin for ages, and used to think you were one of the more helpful people on the forum, but i gotta say i cant remember the last time i saw you make a post that actually contributed to the discussion or was helpful... certainly no one is gonna be impressed by jumping down peoples' throats who DO try to be helpful, without actually adding anything useful to the discussion

anyways :rolleyes: .... does anyone know why all these pics of v-tek bottles always have uncolonized grains stuck to the sides? is it from shaking and not knocking grains down?


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23672183 - 09/23/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Couldn't agree more, sir.  I don't claim to be an angel, but I don't try to go out of my way to try and make somebody feel demoralized or like less of a community member if they are contributing and reading.  So, how about this.  If you find something I post that is wrong, correct me.  But stick to the facts and leave the attitude at the door.  I will get the hint without any condescending demeanors and will correct my advice and personal technique.... and in return I promise to also try and treat everybody with the utmost respect and stick to the facts.  Those terms seem pretty agreeable to me, and Id like to think most decent people feel the same.


Anyway, enough thread jacking for the day.  Let's all get along please. 

I've never been a fan of any invitro, but I am interested in trying spawned big gulps though.  they seem interesting and the pics/info I've seen mostly are great BE and yield.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23672200 - 09/23/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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lol.... right, right, the only reason anyone would ever want to ignore random off-topic rudeness and personal attacks that add nothing to the thread is because you are so good at "correcting" people hahaha.... couldn't possibly be that they find that kind of antagonistic behavior to be obnoxious and boring :rolleyes:




lol, yeah you weren't exactly my favorite person last day either when I tried to help your thread along :lol:

but this isnt a popularity contest, its simply about giving good advice or making wild ass guesses.

some people are better at recieving criticism than others. but damn this mushie guy just doesnt seem to get it.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: spacechildo]
    #23672265 - 09/23/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Look I'm not everyone's favorite person either but I must agree, guessing is something that forms a constant wake of shitstorms behind it, and no amount of ignoring will stop it because the people here are basically trained to uphold good info, and it's super easy to tell when someone is recommending something based on guesses rather than experience. :shrug:

Space and I might attract some of the more concentrated hate out of people, but we're far from alone in our convictions.

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First what we need to do is make what I think is the intention of most of the regular posters here clear. This is a place of learning and personally I think it's amazing how much good solid info, based in science is posted here daily. It's what sets us apart from YouTube and reddit. This means that to keep that level and quality of information presented up to that standard we need to ensure a certain consistency. This means bad info must be corrected and good info agreed with. As this is a fairly new discipline there are still things we don't understand and discussion and disagreements will happen. That is fine and healthy.

However if people come in spouting off outdated or simply incorrect information it will be crushed by those trying to preserve the integrity of the information of the board. This is not personal and should not be taken as such. If it is taken personally we then run into butthurt facepalm territory. The solution is simple, don't talk out of your ass and no one will facepalm you. Of course we all talk out of our asses on occasion and we all will be called on it. No reason to let it ruin your day.




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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: Inocuole]
    #23672294 - 09/23/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh trust me, I get it Inocuole.  But the question also is whether or not it's effective.  It might get a few people to "read" up (mostly new new people), but I think more of them will probably just ignore you, which in essence is just as bad as purposefully spreading bad advice. 

Myself and other users like me that are in it for the long haul aren't going anywhere.  I read posts from this forum constantly when I am not posting in my spare time, so it's not like there's a strange dissonance when something an invested person like myself posts, thinking they are right. 

Some people need a ass rippin, but fellas, we're past that point here.  We can turn to each other and try to help our invested users by sharing and correcting if necessary, but at the end of the day, name calling and brash attitudes with our valuable members is only going to create tension around here.  I've seen how unwelcoming a hostile forum community can be as an admin for awhile.

Use whatever method you like to "help" other people.  But I certainly am not face palming when I learn new useful information.  What makes me facepalm is how very callous people can be sometimes without affording understanding and comeraderie.  And it isn't because I am embarrassed to have been corrected.  It's because I'm embarrassed of how they are acting in front of the whole world, in a community I share with them. 

That's all I'll really say on the matter, I hope you appreciate my point of view, Inocuole, as I appreciate yours.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: Inocuole]
    #23672373 - 09/23/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

mushie, dont let it bother you buddy, you do you... i promise there are WAY more people who read here than post, and way more people who are interested in the camaraderie and civil discourse you refer to :smile: they are out there, just not quite as in-your-face

no one in their right mind could have taken your comment as anything but trying to help, and its not like suggesting FAE is bad advice, or like PE never blobs :/ people just cant resist a chance to be rude and inflate their post count (i think they think it makes them sound smart lol)

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lol.... right, right, the only reason anyone would ever want to ignore random off-topic rudeness and personal attacks that add nothing to the thread is because you are so good at "correcting" people hahaha.... couldn't possibly be that they find that kind of antagonistic behavior to be obnoxious and boring :rolleyes:




lol, yeah you weren't exactly my favorite person last day either when I tried to help your thread along :lol:

but this isnt a popularity contest, its simply about giving good advice or making wild ass guesses.




yeah, you were SOOOOO helpful, repeating something i said in the OP as if it were an argument... you literally did not add a single helpful word, in any respect. "thanks" for the "help" :rolleyes:

see thats what i'm talking about, you think filling a thread with rude, useless personal attacks is "helping"? most people just find that obnoxious and boring

feel free to actually make a point, debate, present an argument, correct anything, add any info that might benefit users, etc... but just being contentious for its own sake is just stupid

you clearly think you are knowledgeable enough to be rude to people; how bout being knowledgeable enough to actually be helpful?

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Space and I might attract some of the more concentrated hate out of people, but we're far from alone in our convictions.





lol thats a little delusional... most people just ignore rudeness, if people hate you it certainly isnt because you are so "helpful" :rofl:

i think most people find actionable advice or civil discussion/debate a lot more "helpful" than random rude comments without any useful info

of course i agree with you that uninformed guessing leads to all kinds of problems, but its nothing that a well-intentioned helpful comment from an experienced user cant easily resolve.... and nothing mushie said was ridiculous... constantly filling threads with useless ego bs is ridiculous


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: c10h12n2o] * 2
    #23672413 - 09/23/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I dunno, I feel like with learning, it's time to leave your fragile emotions at the door.
These men are succinct and direct in their sniping out BS in arguments. Whether or not you agree, their insights are invaluable to these boards, as they correct misinformed guesses on a daily basis with no other reward than knowing they were helping.

I have been corrected without apologies from both Space and Inoc and I've appreciated it. If someone's directness hurts your feelings, then I suppose you should consider the possible repercussions of your hobby. Just sayin' bro.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23672421 - 09/23/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is real easy guys, what's important isn't being nice or having people like you,
what's important is that people log in here and ask questions to get answers and help from the experience we all have combined here,
not to have someone just take a wild guess, newbs can do that on their own they dont need shroomery for that.

maybe I havent added enough smileys in my posts or I have a way of saying things that gets to you
but none of that really matters. what matters is the :mushroom2: and helping other people enjoy successful grows.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: spacechildo]
    #23672465 - 09/23/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i couldn't care less how many smileys you add or how much you like me, and i doubt anyone else cares how much you like them... and frankly i wish youd quit talking about how much you like/dislike people in every thread and actually drop some knowledge.. what i care about is correct ideas and interesting discussion... 

i love when inocuole or anyone else corrects bad info, or saves a thread from nonsense (it happens pretty much every day)... and personally? i love nothing more than being corrected, and actively invite it in every post ive ever made. arrogance and rudeness for their own sake are what i find boring and obnoxious, although it certainly doesnt make me "mad," that would be stupid. people shouldn't take criticism or debate personally

i think getting emotionally invested in the forum is silly

the arrogance gets unreal in here sometimes lol... so common for people to make rude remarks without even providing any better info for readers, like their whole purpose for using the forum is to feel cool, and damn any readers who might actually be trying to learn


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: dankington]
    #23672513 - 09/23/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think you totally missed the entire point of what was said dank.  I am personally not upset, I could care less about the snide comments because I've learned to ignore it. I was just responding to a message from somebody who feels the need to "pass on messages" via other users, even though I've ignored them for their borderline harassing and condescending posts to me. But it doesn't mean I don't takeaway the things I need from a conversation, I absolutely do and appreciate having that correct information.  I welcome it, and tend to ignore the BS that usually comes with it.  I don't need that shit, so it's best to just ignore it completely and just takeaway the good info. 

But a lot of other people aren't going to and don't understand this concept yet here, and saying that they "need a new hobby" because they don't enjoy being insulted is a bit childish, no offense. As long as people are willing to be coached and improve, then all that really isn't necessary, and I know that I'm not the only that feels that way.

Don't get me wrong, the directness and the facts are really appreciated, but a lot of people could stand to give their tact and approach a once over.  As I said before, it's not effective with a lot of people, and when those people refused to be coached because all you do is insult them, then don't be surprised if all they spread is bad info.  They will shut you down and stop listening to anything you say.

Or, you can help coach these people.  Make them want to listen to you, because you seem to want them to succeed, instead of your insulting those people seeming like you -want- them to fail.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: Mushierage]
    #23672542 - 09/23/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think perhaps it is you that missed the point. Anyone who's studied past highschool has learned that higher learning doesn't allow for such things. I'd hate to think that the engineers that designed the plane I ride in next got a gold star for effort. Wouldn't you?

I agree that sometimes things can come across with a bit of an edge. But it's often because there has become some spread of bad information through the boards. You will see with time that many of these bursts of BS pervade and reappear years after their inception.

No one is rooting for anyone's failure, that's just retarded. We are all trying to help in our own ways. Ignoring people is what's childish, IMO. I'm glad to hear someone's opinions on my statements, whether or not they hate me is irrelevant. I can't give a damn what anyone thinks of me, just what I think of me. Ultimately, you have to be able to live with yourself.

Even Artists get harsh criticism. Perhaps that's why it doesn't phase me :lol:


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: dankington]
    #23672571 - 09/23/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

very few questions get facepalmed, simple stuff like what's the brf/verm/water ratio etc does but come on!
facepalms happens when you start giving bad advice, its supposed to encourage people to stop giving bad advice!

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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: dankington]
    #23672575 - 09/23/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think most of us want the same thing: correct, fact based info and interesting discussion

even the smartest people are wrong all the time, only an idiot would get upset about being corrected

but being rude without providing correct/helpful info is just self-fellatio, and it gets obnoxious when you have to dig through pages of it to find any info or interesting discussion


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23672590 - 09/23/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

what you call rude unhelpful comments I call nipping a problem in the bud.
Just tell someone to stop fuckin guessing once and for all, way easier to help people in future threads if we dont have to go around correcting people along the way too.

what's really annoying IMO is to have to sift through posts about how someone's feelings got hurt, so I'll leave this for now. I just hope it worked.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23672592 - 09/23/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug: I guess, but we can't always be human encyclopaedias. Sometimes we simply know something to be incorrect, and can't remember quite why. I mean, I know that's the case with me :bongload:
That doesn't mean that we're guessing. Just that we know something is BS.
It's normally easily rectified by looking deeper with the search engine (which is really good, actually). I do understand, and accept your point of view as being your own. That's fine.

Also, sometimes we try things and find they don't work, but don't always document everything. Sometimes we know things to be fact based on our own experiences, and that certain things will not work. You will have to take the fact that we are forced to take our hobby to the underground into consideration when complaining about lack of proof or documentation, and take it all with a big grain of salt.

You can contribute by doing controlled experiments to prove hypotheses, and that would be pretty cool of you.


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Re: In Vitro Plastic Tek Question [Re: dankington]
    #23672621 - 09/23/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We can agree to disagree on some of your points, and while I appreciate your point of view, especially since it isn't framed specifically to be derogatory.  Ignoring somebody for that reason in my opinion is one of the best reasons to.  Being criticized and being harassed are two entirely different things.  Criticism I welcome, harassment I do not.  And neither do 99% of the newer people trying to learn things. 

Everybody is here for different purposes as well, so it can be said that the "journey is more important than the destination" here.  I'm sure I've said that before.  We can disagree, but that will still hold true for a majority of your coachable newbies, and potentially valuable board members. 

Alienating those people by calling them names and constantly harassing them isn't criticism.  It's counterproductive and it's pretty damn unnecessary.  So yes, people that do that will be ignored.  Not just by me, but by people in general that aren't going to put up with it. 

It's all about tact.  This community lacks it in many regards, but I believe it can get better, and I intend on trying to help people out and not be a complete dick to people.  It all works out for the better than way in the end, because then you have people willing to use this venue to further their knowledge and make the place more inviting and successful, instead of running every person you don't like or agree with off because people think it's okay to call them names and insult their intelligence.  If people would just stick to the facts instead of feeling like they should insult every person that's "wrong" in their eyes, it'd be a little more productive around here, I guarantee it. 

Anyway, my original response was just meant to be one post, in response to somebody circumventing a forum function ignore feature to name-call and continue harassing. I'm sure that's against the rules somewhere too. That was kind of my point to the response.  People should develop a sense of tact, no matter how wrong you think they are, if they want to be helpful and get their point across.  Sticking to the facts is always good, but isn't it funny how we all started talking about this crap, and still, nobody wanted to explain an answer to my question?

Besides people being like that being unhelpful, pointing out that people are wrong, and then when that person asks what's wrong about it, those people refuse to coach that person in the right direction, is also pretty unhelpful.  Now we just know that I'm wrong.  I'd like to know why instead of fucking being insulted by somebody I've already ignored.

As hard as some of you "fight" to make people feel unwelcome and demoralized and thinly veil it as criticism, is as hard as that's going to be countered with a productive and helpful attitude to our new users of this board by me and people like me.  These guys want to feel like somebody has their back, and to be quite honest, they aren't feeling it much these days.

I'm done with the back and forth for now, but don't expect me to be quiet when somebody needs to be called out for lacking tact.  I can also be unrelenting, however I expect it'll be a little more positive than what I've seen lately.

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