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What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste?
#23652072 - 09/17/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Figured I would get a better response in here than in ODD.
Is it because it hasn't been purged properly? Because it's from trim? Because it's been blasted multiple times?
A friend of mine got this black wax with a slight green tint to it. It smells fine, but when smoked it apparently has an almost burnt rubber taste, and can not be handled by your fingers and sticks to everything.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: vandago]
#23652098 - 09/17/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said:
Is it because it hasn't been purged properly? Because it's from trim? Because it's been blasted multiple times?
Yes, yes, and yes..probably. I've made super nice BHO with trim but it's never as good as BHO made from the buds it was trimmed off, unless I froze the trim first. Can't say that much on the purging though, I never really used a vac so my control over the temp and pressure was limited, I'd just pour Everclear into the butane and winterize the stuff and it always came out great. Lack of stability may be caused by purging at too high of temp. But dark color is just too much plant matter..that's why I freeze my leftovers before blasting like I mentioned before, but quality does go down after every blast.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Eminence]
#23652100 - 09/17/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean I have seen and smoked unstable goop that still produced a fine high, it had more of a cough too it, and definitely was more planty.
But this rubber taste I have only had one encounter with. Last time I saw any of it was 2 years ago and it was so bad it literally tasted like the smell of a glowstick burning in a fire, and literally made people puke.
This stuff I was told isn't as bad as what I described, but has the same rubber taste and is really hard to take large dabs of.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: vandago]
#23652103 - 09/17/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had some shitty tasting BHO before but I can't say I've tasted rubbery BHO..he didn't happen to blast through some shitty homemade contraption made of plastic or something did he? How does it burn, does it fizzle at all as if it still had solvent in it?
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Eminence]
#23652108 - 09/17/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't smoke, so I personally haven't smoked it.
I had stuff two years ago that would literally crackle and pop when you smoked it, that was the rubber stuff. No one who made it ever admitted to what caused the taste, but they had a lot of it.
My friend isn't too happy about this because he invested money into what seemed like a good deal, and he said it tastes exactly like the rubber I had, but is manageable to smoke at least, but still tastes like hell.
He said multiple people have said it tastes really bad.
The stuff from 2 years ago caused A LOT of problems in my life.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: vandago]
#23652128 - 09/17/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tell him to try dissolving it in some Everclear or even high percentage ISO and stick it in the freezer overnight and see if anything settles to the bottom that he can try to filter out. Like I said, never experienced that so idk if it would work, it might stay dissolved because if it did happen to be plastic then I'd guess it would just transfer over to the alcohol, but if it's just leftover solvent, then at least it will be cleaned out of the oil and maybe even get rid of some plant material if that's what's contributing to the dark color.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Eminence]
#23652134 - 09/17/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what a friend of mine did with some of the rubber stuff from a couple years back, he said it did help, but it wasn't a solid solution. I am assuming a few more runs would've cleaned it up enough to give it a good taste, but a lot of product would be lost.
Would just leaving it out in the open for extended time help?
The person gave a bit to a couple people and both people said it was junk and wanted their money back, and my friend is hoping he can just return it.
I haven't smoked in a year so I couldn't try it to tell him exactly what I thought, but I figured maybe someone else had encountered it before, but quite honestly, I've only encountered it one time and never heard of it being rubber tasting, just more planty.
Even when I used to make ISO hash, out of stems, on the second run! It wouldn't have a rubber or solvent taste, just be green and taste like plant.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: vandago]
#23652137 - 09/17/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's just hard for me to say what would definitely help since I don't know for sure what would make it taste like that. If it already tastes like shit though and he doesn't wanna dissolve it and have to risk losing any then I'd say leaving it out wouldn't hurt, and could only help if the taste was because of leftover solvent. Obviously if it's something in there besides solvent though, leaving it out won't really do much of anything but it's worth a shot.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Eminence]
#23652144 - 09/17/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well with the batch from two years ago, the theory was a seal broke at some point, or it was purged into a non pyrex pan possible something aluminum or teflon, or the pyrex dish had been dirty.
It left a lot of residue in the nail that almost look like charred aluminum that had to be scraped out after smoking.
My friend did receive this wax ON wax paper, not parchment or freezer paper.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: vandago]
#23652149 - 09/17/16 04:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they sprayed the bud while it was growing for like pm or spider mites or something it can definitely fuck with the taste way bad. I've had perfectly good looking oil leave giant chunks of ash/build-up on the nail from being sprayed with some chemical late in flower. If it's all black and gooey they also probably got it way to hot while they were purging it.
This is all just a guess but that sounds like some terrible stuff.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: WyoMX]
#23652156 - 09/17/16 04:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I forgot about the pesticide theory as well. That seems probable as well.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: vandago]
#23654383 - 09/17/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would imagine it's largely due to not heating the solvent (butane) off at 1) high enough heat, 2) long enough time period, 3) both
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: demiu5]
#23654521 - 09/17/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like your friend needs to try and return it. If that is not an option it may be worth trying to clean it up some like others have said.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Eminence]
#24690181 - 10/07/17 05:32 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had tasted a shitty funny BHO before. My friend gave it to me and he said that he's using a Korean brand BHO extractor. LOL i told him to change brand because the taste was low quality. I told him not to use it again.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Chris_GIlford]
#24690185 - 10/07/17 05:45 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just use a normal honeybee extractor and it always comes out amber. I imagine the quality of butane, the trim and maybe how well he mixes the extract to get the solovent out. Frozen trim works the best, sometimes if the trim is too fine you can get more color in the finished product too. I find a very minimal heat and stir then let sit and stir repeated until no bubbles appear and let sit for a day it usually does the trick. Sometimes it takes a couple days of sitting out for the taste to go.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: vandago]
#24690316 - 10/07/17 07:58 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Poor extraction techniques, improper purging, shitty butane can leave contaminants.
A lot of times people try to blast brown plant matter and really rough stuff that isn't frosty like stems and big fan leaves. Those types of materials generally have lots of fats and lipids and things that you generally don't want in your extracts. Add humidity in to the equation with a poor product and the extraction starts a piggy back effect that can get out of control.
The butane is delightfully non polar, so it will pull the terpenes and cannabanoids, but then the water in the equation will pull plant matter with that bc we all know h2o is very polar.
In proper closed loop systems you can make gold out of garbage, but when you're open blasting out in the woods of California and it's raining lots of shit can go wrong.
Also too sometimes bc people are dirty they will just contaminate the shatter after the blast...a speck of bark will get in the gold juice while it's bubbling off and then seep in to the product over time.
Basically in short it's black because whoever made it was ignorant. If you want it to taste a little better you can get some ever clear and put the shatter in a mason jar to soak in the ever clear. Freeze it over night , then pour it through a coffee filter while it's still cold. The coffee filter will pull out the solid.
Check out skunk pharm research they have an article called polishing extracts and go through methods of cleaning impurities
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Big Bear]
#24690834 - 10/07/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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prob bunch drunk high wooks blasted garbage bags of twigs n dirt n shit it onto plastic n then boiled it off and sold it for meth
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#24690908 - 10/07/17 12:46 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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bho will be unstable for many reasons. one would be an excess of tepenes which would be a good case in yours since its black could be plant matter or even tar or pesticides as the extraction process only concentrates whatever is present. make sure your material is fresh the longer it sits the more oxygen will degrade thc and cause it to amber and eventually turn black for ideal flavor you want freshly cured and manicured buds or high quality trim that smells exactly like the Buddy's it was trimmed with expect a 8-30% yield testing the cannabis beforehand should tell you what to expect IE 18% weed should pull 18% thc out after extraction if you have a higher yield you automatically know something is up. i hope that helps -Bay-
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Bayareadabs]
#24691285 - 10/07/17 03:08 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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The oil that crackled and popped from two years ago you bring up wasnt purged worth a damn, and what he has now may not have been. Would also explain stability issues.
For the oil makers out there, as far as color goes, age is the main culprit. If you use a solvent like ethanol or hexane though you can draw a lot of wax and chlorophyll that throw the color off and is the main reason ethanol and hexane extracts get well winterized. Stability issues mainly stem from age, terp content, and improper purge. Before quality, age truly is your worst enemy for color in bho extracts. THCA breaking down to
With aged material a solvent like propane or flourine will leave you with a more blonde product vs bho but both yield less as well. I like doing the 70bho/30propane mixes. Best combination for yield and quality
There are many factors to extracts. Different solvents, time soaked in solvent, pressure, temperature (which can all lead to dark extracts as well).
But I have to say it again, age is your worst enemy next to moisture. Unless you want to lose all of your times value and extra cost of solvent cleaning it up, if it had just been ran sooner it would have come out beautiful. This is the reason live resin always comes out with such great color, its super fresh. And to relate this to stability as brought up earlier in this post, terp content can cause instability and is why live resin is always so sappy and never very stable/shattery.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: Bayareadabs]
#24691311 - 10/07/17 03:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bayareadabs said: bho will be unstable for many reasons. one would be an excess of tepenes which would be a good case in yours since its black could be plant matter or even tar or pesticides as the extraction process only concentrates whatever is present. make sure your material is fresh the longer it sits the more oxygen will degrade thc and cause it to amber and eventually turn black for ideal flavor you want freshly cured and manicured buds or high quality trim that smells exactly like the Buddy's it was trimmed with expect a 8-30% yield testing the cannabis beforehand should tell you what to expect IE 18% weed should pull 18% thc out after extraction if you have a higher yield you automatically know something is up. i hope that helps -Bay-
All true but a higher % of extract vs the buds thc content can also suggest high terpene or cannabinoid content was extracted as well, not just extra fats, waxes, and chloro, which typically it seems the sativas have a higher wax content.
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Re: What cause BHO wax to be unstable, dark black, and have a rubber taste? [Re: W4E2E0D]
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