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    #23651523 - 09/16/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Edit: Full disclosure, I no longer use this method since I consider an adaptation to an already inferior tub design. The original Ohmatic design monotub that this is meant for was the gold standard for years. However I now prefer my Ez dialed monotubs for fruiting as they are truly set and forget. I recommend reading the link at the bottom of this post.


I have been asked to describe how I use micropore tape to dial in my monotubs. Its actually pretty easy and eliminates the mess and annoyance of polyfil. I know that the usual answer is that you cannot do it with micropore, that micropore only provides GE and is not able to provide FAE. However this is dependent on hole size and the number of layers used.

The larger the hole, the more air flows through. More tape will then restrict the airflow as needed. I like to dial mine in for set and forget, otherwise my climate dries them out. Tweaks can be made if more airflow is desired, for example I never run a fan. But you could run one if you wanted to. But I will caution that these without fan work pretty consistently for me most of the time.

You will need the 1" micropore tape for this. The 0.5" tape is annoying and I do not recommend. I use a 1.25" hole for my monos. If you use larger holes you may need more layers. For the bottoms holes I need 2 layers. Top holes only get one layer. With a 1.25" diameter hole and 1" tape you will need 2 pieces per layer to get enough coverage. Try to keep the overlap to a minimum, I try to not exceed 1/4" overlap. See the pics.

Bottom holes




Top Holes



Sometimes you may want to dial in for some extra FAE, especially for thick pinsets. This is a simple thing to do. For the lower holes, remove the last strip applied. This is the one that is on the upper part of the hole assuming you applied the tape the same as shown. For the top holes you can move the upper piece of tape down a bit or remove it completely if needed. This way you can dial the tubs in to get good air exchange to support the pinset.

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Works for Mini monos too



I should note that I usually case my tubs. If you do not case you might need to add another strip to the bottom holes if things seem to be getting dry. Again this all comes down to climate, preference, and how you do things. Be proactive, if stuff is getting dry then add another layer and hit the sub with a mist.



Edit: If you already have a pile of tubs drilled out with 1” or larger holes then continue to use this method to dial the tubs in. However for any new people still looking to drill their first tubs, I highly recommend my newer method of drilling out self dialing tubs.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/33

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 2
    #23651558 - 09/16/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23651571 - 09/16/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Sky Walker] * 1
    #23651581 - 09/16/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cool! Polyfill is annoying af. Especially when the substrate ends up a little deeper than planned and rides right up on the holes. Will definitely be trying this.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: NumeroEno] * 1
    #23651585 - 09/16/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well fuck it... the bag of polyfill I've had since 2012 still takes up more room than the 6 pack of micropore tape I have..

Suppose I'll give er a shot.  Having less stuff around is cool.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole] * 2
    #23651603 - 09/16/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have a bunch of useless old flat pillows that I keep just for my tubs. I really like the prospect of not having those lying around anymore.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: NumeroEno] * 2
    #23651608 - 09/16/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Seems easier than ironing out polyfil.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: cr1s1s] * 1
    #23651628 - 09/16/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've always wanted to get a more stream line way of doing the FAE on monotubs. Polyfil feels so inconsistent, no matter many posts I read about unfolding and folding the polyfil a certain way, always seems like a guessing game. I like this method because it would be consistent accross the board. I'm all about consistency when trying to dial in a monotub.

I'm going to be doing 4 tubs over the weekend. I'll probably do 1 or 2 this way and report back how they fruited vs the standard balls of polyfil.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23651649 - 09/16/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:bow2: very appreciated!

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: SuperFly] * 1
    #23651661 - 09/16/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I really want to try this.  I never thought it would work because of the way micropore restricts airflow.  Having this giant bag of polyfil sitting around is grade A fucking annoying, and I've got plenty of tape. 

I'm assuming this can only be done on large holes applications like large Monotubs.  Not sure how this would go over for mini monos but I guess if the holes are large enough.  :shrug:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage] * 1
    #23651673 - 09/16/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Now that i have got the dialing poly down you go and throw this curve haha thanks man next tubs are going down like this


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage] * 1
    #23651676 - 09/16/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I use the same size holes for mini monos and this works just fine. Note the example in the OP.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage] * 2
    #23651677 - 09/16/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:awebig: F my cat trying this right meow

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: liloldme] * 1
    #23651689 - 09/16/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How come the bottom holes have less over lap and the tops have more? Being the poly needs to be tighter on the bottom Wouldnt less over lap creat less restriction ?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: liloldme] * 1
    #23651692 - 09/16/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:bubbles:fuckin decent!!

i got a mini with holes drilled around the top and tape on the holes.
getting the perfect dialed in rings around the holes.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47] * 1
    #23651698 - 09/16/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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How come the bottom holes have less over lap and the tops have more? Being the poly needs to be tighter on the bottom Wouldnt less over lap creat less restriction ?



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Try to keep the overlap to a minimum, I try to not exceed 1/4" overlap. See the pics.



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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23651706 - 09/16/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I read that, but since you posted that i over looked the pictures and i see it was a stupid question it really looked like the top holes had more of an overlap sorry


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47] * 1
    #23651707 - 09/16/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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How come the bottom holes have less over lap and the tops have more? Being the poly needs to be tighter on the bottom Wouldnt less over lap creat less restriction ?




Its not an exact science. Don't exceed 1/4" and you will do fine.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: liloldme] * 1
    #23651711 - 09/16/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23651712 - 09/16/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wasnt trying to get techinical on it like that i think just because the picture is straight on rather then at an angle it fucked with my eyes a bit my bad pasty


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23651749 - 09/16/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23651968 - 09/17/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Oh shit, awesome tek! This got me way too excited. I look forward to trying this out! Polyfil is really too inconsistent and unrepeatable.

Btw, why don't you do this with 2" micropore tape? You could cover the whole hole without having to do the overlapping strips.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: herrenvolk]
    #23652320 - 09/17/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Btw, why don't you do this with 2" micropore tape? You could cover the whole hole without having to do the overlapping strips.




Good question. 2" tape is simply too big for the other things I use it for. But you could use 2" tape if you wanted to.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23652504 - 09/17/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's awesome! What's a good thread that shows what a perfectly dialed in "set it and forget it" monotub (no fanning/misting daily) should behave like? (Moisture on the walls? Moisture only on the bottom half of the walls? etc)


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AK1000]
    #23652525 - 09/17/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I remember you saying you were going to write this tek about a month ago, but for some reason I thought I remembered you you also saying that it didnt involve multiple layers of micropore?
Anyway nice tek:thumbup: Have you tested the performance next to a tub with polyfil yet?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: ComebackKid] * 1
    #23652538 - 09/17/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also, if any of you have cats, you should know why moving away from poly is a GOOD idea. 

:facepalm: = after I get home from work and EVERY poly hole has been plucked from all monos.  Poly all over house.


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    #23652567 - 09/17/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I remember you saying you were going to write this tek about a month ago, but for some reason I thought I remembered you you also saying that it didnt involve multiple layers of micropore?
Anyway nice tek:thumbup: Have you tested the performance next to a tub with polyfil yet?




IIRC I said it didn't require cutting or poking holes in the tape. Layers has always been part of this.

I have run this next to poly holes. If you refer to this log closely you will see that 2 of the tubs use poly and two use micropore. They all come very close in performance. Actually I believe the micropore ones did slightly better but not enough to be significant.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22655126

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23653005 - 09/17/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hell yeah! I just put together my first mini mono last night. If all goes well I'll need to do this in the near future. You a GENIUS  :thanx:

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    #23653046 - 09/17/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So I guess then two layers on the bottom holes, one layer on the top holes would suffice?  Or?

I understand it's not rocket science, just would like to know what's working for others on monos in general before throwing an entire mono at this technique.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23653048 - 09/17/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'll throw 10 monos at a technique if Pasty says it works. :shrug:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23653057 - 09/17/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If somebody could answer my original question that has experience with the method, I'd personally feel more comfortable doing it.    What's working in regard to layering?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23653058 - 09/17/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'll be trying this as well on a few tubs. 
Lord knows polyfill is a pain in the ass.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23653094 - 09/17/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If somebody could answer my original question that has experience with the method, I'd personally feel more comfortable doing it.    What's working in regard to layering?




It's said in the OP, two layers for the bottom and one layer for the top. If you need to dial it in even more, you can move the tape around on whatever holes you want.

Great write up!! I can't wait to get away from poly fill, my first bag is running low, looks like I'll be looking into a couple rolls of micro pore.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23653097 - 09/17/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, if any of you have cats, you should know why moving away from poly is a GOOD idea. 

:facepalm: = after I get home from work and EVERY poly hole has been plucked from all monos.  Poly all over house.



my first grain jars I ever did had polyfil gas exchange. a day after inoculation I come and inspect my jars that have a nice 1/4 open hole.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23653120 - 09/17/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

cant have been stuffed tight enough. or your cats are on roids!

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: spacechildo]
    #23653125 - 09/17/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

considering my cat decapitated a squirrel I think it's roids.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23653154 - 09/17/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Everyday I come home there is something torn to shreds by these cats.  I mean I love cats and all, but these guys are bastards.  I have to move anything involving poly into a locked room where they can never get to it because they will steal all of it and play with it all over the house.

Little fuckin turds. 

That's pretty much the only reason I want to move to micropore.  They can have the damn poly if I use this method.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23653183 - 09/17/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You shouldn't let them play with polyfill... they eat that shit over time and it just hangs out in their stomach..

All my shit goes on behind a closed door in a cat-free room.  I only had poly stolen a few times, sounds like you guys have some hellions running around.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23653186 - 09/17/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yep, cat free room is the solution for me too.
one of the two begs to go outside every day. gone for 2-4 hours comes back with birds or rodents. only one squirrel ever but it was a fucking mess it's head was scalped and barely attached.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23653188 - 09/17/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Are you kidding?  I hope they choke on that poly. 


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23653422 - 09/17/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome will give this a go now I'm moving on from cakes to monos  cheers pasty


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    #23653591 - 09/17/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23653598 - 09/17/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23653599 - 09/17/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Can micro pore be bought anywher local?



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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: DocShamen]
    #23654057 - 09/17/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It will most likely be sold as 3m nexcare gentle paper tape. Flip it over and it will say: hospital name: 3m micropore surgical tape.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23654060 - 09/17/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If I didn't already have a ton of poly (and no micropore), I would definitely try this for my big Reishi grow.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Greg]
    #23654067 - 09/17/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If I didn't already have a ton of poly (and no micropore), I would definitely try this for my big Reishi grow.

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Be careful using either micropore or poly with reishi. They will literally grow through the poly or tape and become one with it heading to the FAE. Leave the bottom holes taped is my recommendation.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23654068 - 09/17/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good to know, thank you.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Greg]
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23654180 - 09/17/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Can't wait to try this for my first WBS tub currently colonizing. It'll be ready in a day or three for fruiting. I'm not the best with the poly. This seems very straight forward. Will post pics along the way. Pasty, unfortunately what I use to make my holes with is a tomato paste can. Heat and burn smooth holes. It's 2.25 inches in diameter. What quantity of tape should I personally use?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23654193 - 09/17/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

For a 2.25" hole I'm gonna say 3 layers for the bottoms. Maybe 1 layer might be okay for the top or perhaps 1 layer and then a second layer that only covers half the hole. Hard to say. Those a significantly bigger than  what I use myself and have tested so it's going to be up to you to test and find what works best. Please share your findings here.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23654283 - 09/17/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll throw 10 monos at a technique if Pasty says it works. :shrug:



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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23654685 - 09/18/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mannnnnn Pasty always comes up with the best solutions for home cultivation!

Learning to dial in polyfill took me a while.. "tight" is a subjective term so as a new cultivator that was tricky for me in the begging.

Im good at dialing in my tubs now, but I think this micro pore will provide more consistency.


I dont really reuse my polyfill so it gets expensive.  And I know this is dumb, but I like my work to look nice and neat, and at firSt glance my tubs will look a lot less suspicious than with balls of polyfill sticking out.

.I think my holes are closer to 1.5, maybe 2" , Ill measure in the AM.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23654836 - 09/18/16 05:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

nice! another easy tek. Thankyou PW.  This is the future of monos. 

I hate polyfill because the shroomies tend to grow into it/through it, so I switched to tyvek on the bottom holes. Now it will be micropore tape bottom and top.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23655114 - 09/18/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pasty would this be an easy to try for your first mini? I have a mini with 1 1/4in holes, and have been kinda tripping on the poly....I'm thinking it would be good for me to learn with the micropore and say fuck the poly all together.....my tub is about 95% colonized and will be going into fruiting in the next couple days.....on a side note I want to thank you for telling me to make the wbs work for me...figured out my problem now I have a bunch of atl jars and a couple more projects in planning

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23655116 - 09/18/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome tek.  Ready to set up my first mono.  So all holes are 1.25 diameter.  Locations?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23655121 - 09/18/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TrippyJuice]
    #23655123 - 09/18/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

4 holes total one on each long side near substrate level and two up. High near the handles?  Correct


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TrippyJuice]
    #23655129 - 09/18/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also how high from the bottom of the tub.  Ik it depends on how much substrate and casing layer. But could u give me an idea how high to make the hole on the long sides.  Please and thx


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TrippyJuice]
    #23655147 - 09/18/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No reason not to give this a try for a first mono, easy enough I figure.


This off topic but a 6 hole standard mono does 2 holes on each long side close to the sub level and a single hole on the short side up close to the handles.

You need the space for the sub plus a half inch to be on the safe side. I find that you don't want a sub deeper than 4" so usually I do mine at 4.5-5" up from bottom.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23655155 - 09/18/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm trying it with a side by side comparison, once these tubs are ready.  micropore vs poly.  Everything will essentially be done the same so it can be a little more closely controlled test. 


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23655170 - 09/18/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What you don't trust the side by side I linked?  :lol: just be sure it's controlled genetically as well.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23655175 - 09/18/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What you don't trust the side by side I linked?  :lol: just be sure it's controlled genetically as well.




It's not that I don't trust your results.  I'd trust any tek you post Pasty. 

But I want to see how it does for me personally. 

If it does just as good or better for me as poly, I'm putting the bag of poly away or letting it go to other uses.  Like stuffing pillows.  Or cat toys.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23655216 - 09/18/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Help me with my conversion I have a 58qt tub. 23.5"length by 16 7/8 width by 12.25height

Using spitballs mono tek
He uses :

1brick of coir or 650grams
6 jars spawn
2 qts verm
4.25 qts h20

I have 4 qts of spawn

Would these figures be correct for my tub.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23655239 - 09/18/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Right on! :dancer:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TrippyJuice]
    #23655272 - 09/18/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Help me with my conversion I have a 58qt tub. 23.5"length by 16 7/8 width by 12.25height

Using spitballs mono tek
He uses :

1brick of coir or 650grams
6 jars spawn
2 qts verm
4.25 qts h20

I have 4 qts of spawn

Would these figures be correct for my tub.

156grams coir
4 qts spawn
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1.02 qts h20




Just use the same with 4 quarts spawn. It should still work fine. Don't over complicate stuff.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23655307 - 09/18/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck yeah....from what I hear poly can be a bitch to dial in for noobs such as myself.....I'd rather use my poly for filters for my jars...and if this works half as well for me as it did you pasty I'll never use poly in a mono lmao

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23655315 - 09/18/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just trying to figure out how high to make my holes on the long sides.. I made anew thread got it figured out.  Thx tho.  Can't wait to try your tek


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23655325 - 09/18/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I use double layer mpt on my jar lids.
This tek could potentially eliminate the need for poly to be on your shopping list at all.
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23655372 - 09/18/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just pulled the poly on my super mini and applied the micropore.  It's starting to knot but the myc was a bit fuzzy like it needed more FAE. My bottom poly was stuffed tighter than a porn princess's butt and the tops were looser than a German fist queen.  Here's to hoping I get some stabilization. Thanks for this Pasty.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23655445 - 09/18/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Out looking right now

Is cloth tape micropore tape? 2 latex free rolls 1 inch by 10 yards. Is that what I need?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23655461 - 09/18/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

3m nexcare paper tape, look on the back and it will say hospital name 3m micropore surgical tape


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    #23655498 - 09/18/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Found the nexcare two pack for 3 bucks. Can't wait to try this. Gonna introduce my first grain tub to fruiting conditions today. Will post pics and keep updating.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23655503 - 09/18/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Which micropore tape would you reccomend.  One is clear and one is white. I can blow air through both.



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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23655506 - 09/18/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

few years from now people will make fun of those still using poly  :lol:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TrippyJuice]
    #23655508 - 09/18/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

See how the one on the left says transpore tape and the one on the right says micropore tape?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23655511 - 09/18/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've had these fruiting for a couple weeks this way.



Figured it was worth trying out when he'd mentioned it a few months back, but I hadn't had clean enough spawn in forever :lol: ugh.

I will say they have a slightly higher tendency to dry using just two layers on 1.5" holes. I'd probably add an extra strip per bottom hole myself. This also has to do with 6 holes in a mini mono, I'm sure. If I'd just done 4 hole minis, the two layers would probably be fine.

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    #23655522 - 09/18/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

[Transpore just means it's transparent..  Like I said both seem to blow air through


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TrippyJuice]
    #23655542 - 09/18/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good observation dank. I should note that I usually case my tubs which. I might add that disclaimer to the OP.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23655567 - 09/18/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey Pasty, what's your RH like in your grow room? You said you live in a dry area so you often case. I live in a pretty humid area so the room I grow in is naturally sitting at 65%. I'm wondering if I can get away without casing. I made my bottom holes much too close to my sub in my 23qt mini mono among other discrepancies (1.5" holes, 3" sub) :facepalm:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Dactylium]
    #23655578 - 09/18/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yep with 65% RH you will probably be just fine as is. Mine is bone dry. We always need to consider that our environment is different so there is no 100% one size fits all solution. We start at a point and adjust from it as needed.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23655610 - 09/18/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I did add ~1/2" CVG on top of the sub at spawning. This PE clone just obliterated all of it though. It was 100% colonized in maybe 5 days. Next time I'll try another strip or two to the bottom holes and see what happens. I guess I could get some peat moss too and case properly too…

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23655760 - 09/18/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't it incredible how people have been using polyfill all these years and have had micropore tape on them but now that pasty decided to experiment with it and found it worked, now polyfill will become a thing of the past!  It's nice watching the teks evolve over the past two decades and really cool for me to witness it in real time as it happens.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TrippyJuice]
    #23655766 - 09/18/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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[Transpore just means it's transparent..  Like I said both seem to blow air through




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    #23655883 - 09/18/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Isn't it incredible how people have been using polyfill all these years and have had micropore tape on them but now that pasty decided to experiment with it and found it worked, now polyfill will become a thing of the past!  It's nice watching the teks evolve over the past two decades and really cool for me to witness it in real time as it happens.




if you've watched this hobby evolve for 2 decades where the fuck were you last time mp tape was a hype for tubs? :lol:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: spacechildo]
    #23655906 - 09/18/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not to discredit pasty at all, but indeed, this has been a thing for quite a while.  There weren't really any side by sides or influential people saying it was worth a shit though.  Definitely seen noobs and vets alike doing it here and there over the years.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23655928 - 09/18/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pasty seems to have found a way to make MP tape give equally good results as poly can, that's something I never could get right and a major reason I chose adjustable poly over "semi-adjustable" mp tape.

that doesnt mean I wont try again and follow OP. It'd be great if I could get it right!

first monotub tek I read actually said to use mp tape at spawning, dont change a thingfor fruiting. that was 2009. now its back again :super:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: spacechildo]
    #23656021 - 09/18/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed this is a little less adjustable compared to poly but there is other ways to adjust and dial in. Half coverage over the hole can go a long way as can removing or adding fans, lids snapped down vs on loose, casing, etc. The upside to me is that tape is cheaper than poly, doesn't get trapped in the fruits, takes less space, easier to apply and looks cleaner.

Seriously this is not an all or nothing proposal. If someone finds poly works better for them then I'm gonna tell them to stick with the poly. But for those who wanted an alternative that can be made to work, this is a good start.

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    #23656038 - 09/18/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23656129 - 09/18/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Before and after.



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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23656136 - 09/18/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Question:  Would the cloth tape work as well?  It's sold as "athletic tape" in the dollar store, but I use it all the time as micropore.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23656138 - 09/18/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Probably anything breathable will technically work but you'll have to dial it in yourself to account for the differences.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23656143 - 09/18/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Would a hybrid make sense? Top holes with poly, bottom with mp?

Seems like poly for top holes can be more finely/quickly adjusted.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TheLongComma]
    #23656146 - 09/18/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldn't the other way around make more sense?  Adjusting bottom holes for increased FAE?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23656150 - 09/18/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I had always thought the bottom holes were meant to be packed tightly throughout fruiting and top holes were the ones adjusted?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TheLongComma]
    #23656156 - 09/18/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

both get adjusted.
someone should make custom monotubs for cube growers. the holes will have sliders like the crisper drawer in the fridge or the vents on a grill.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23656172 - 09/18/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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someone should make custom monotubs for cube growers. the holes will have sliders like the crisper drawer in the fridge or the vents on a grill.

fridge refrigerator
why does fridge have a D in it?




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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23656176 - 09/18/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I was thinking something like that

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23656184 - 09/18/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23656198 - 09/18/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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someone should make custom monotubs for cube growers. the holes will have sliders like the crisper drawer in the fridge or the vents on a grill.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9489910




Extracted the link you REALLY want from that thread:

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Actually I'm not completely sure they're adjustable at all..

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23656221 - 09/18/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

what about an iris diaphragm aperture controlled by an arduino

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23656228 - 09/18/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you want a crazy cyborg ass looking mono, perhaps..  Let's see the proof of concept.

Either way I'll do the micropore on my next one and see how it holds up.  Doing slightly better at keeping bugs out would be a plus.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23656241 - 09/18/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just do no holes no tape no poly. :cool:

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    #23656243 - 09/18/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thats cause youre such a bad ass


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23656275 - 09/18/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23656260#23656260
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23657073 - 09/18/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder how many of us noobs went out and got micropore tape today?.....I did....will be putting on mp tape and introducing fruiting conditions in my mini tomorrow or tuesday

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    #23657079 - 09/18/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

3M stock rises 5 points overnight. . .

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    #23657100 - 09/18/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahaha! Can't wait to see what my first bulk harvest will be....I know whatever I end up with, there will be room for improvement... Glad I stuck it out and kept trying though

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23657154 - 09/18/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23657226 - 09/18/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Jolly good show.
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: nobody83]
    #23657564 - 09/19/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have 2" holes, I'm doing a couple tubs just like OP and a couple with tape covering half of the holes on ever hole. These are not isolates btw, all of them cased and put into fruiting at the same time.

Looking good so far.

Taped the top half of the holes. I know you guys love my festive tape :bigjoint:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: SuperFly]
    #23658216 - 09/19/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



Here's mine.

Pasty, that top tub was the one I micropored yesterday. Does that look like what I'm looking for? I misted once yesterday to "reset" the look of what the tub is doing since changing to micropore.

The second tub is two trays I just spawned to very low amounts of coir/Verm. Added two quarts of the mix to my two quarts of WBS. The tub only holds two trays, so the other i cases and threw in my SGFC.

I'm not sure why the lids are on my trays since I'm fruiting right now. Gonna take those off tonight or so. Was gonna give the myc a small bit of time to recover.

Bottom most tub is a 51qt WBS tub that's still colonizing. 5 quarts of spawn in it. Gonna make my holes tomorrow and add micropore.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23658244 - 09/19/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest that is a very thin sub combined with really big holes. Gonna be hard keeping conditions up in a tub designed like that.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23658261 - 09/19/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the input. It's a second flush tub of some BRF to bulk. I wasn't thinking clearly when I made my mix and it came out far too thin. Got it straightened out for the bottom tub though which is almost 5 inches thick


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23658676 - 09/19/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks pasty. Just made the holes and taped them for my first huge WBS monotub. First ever grain run.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23661522 - 09/20/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

how far from the corner do you make your bottom holes on a 66 qt or similar size tub?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: tombosley8]
    #23661543 - 09/20/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Make them in 3rds. Mine worked out to be 7 1/4 " from each other but I'm using a 72qt tub. I followed frankhorrigan's 12 steps to shrooms ( if you want to search this). He said to make them 4-6" from the sides  4" up, 66qt preferred I used spitballjedi's hole placement: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20307891#2030789headed


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23661556 - 09/20/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's what I assumed but in the op it looks like the holes are slightly closer to the corner. maybe just an optical illusion?:shrug:
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: tombosley8]
    #23661585 - 09/20/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They are closer, I just used a larger tub and wanted them even so no one section gets more or less FAE. I'm glad my noob ass could be of some assistance lol


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    #23661721 - 09/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23661873 - 09/20/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's about where mine is except I'm letting it colonize a bit more so I'm still duct taped


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23664362 - 09/21/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How's it going everyone.

One thing I forgot to mention that I love about this. It's consistent. I have the exact same quantity/density of tape on all 4 bottom holes, and the top two are also made exactly the same.

No guessing which poly is tighter. This idea is symmetrical and neat as a bee. Can't wait to see how it fruits! Still waiting.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23664582 - 09/21/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm waiting for some grain jars to colonize and was planning on using this method before Pasty posted the tek. It's my first tub ever, so I guess we'll see if a noob can do it.

I will post when I've spawned the tub :thumbup:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: senseit]
    #23664601 - 09/21/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm doing a variation on this. I have a humidity controlled grow room that I maintain at 85-90%RH. I put 4 tubs into fruiting the other day and instead of using poly I just repositioned the duck tape to adjust the size of the holes. All 4 tubs are knotted up nicely, but I'm going to start using micro pore instead of duck tape because it seems to stick better to the tub in high humidity.


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    #23664724 - 09/21/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have a dry ring around the top holes not any drops coming down from it....I read dialing your monotubs in like a boss....but this is my first mini and really have no clue what I am looking for....any help would be appreciated

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23665132 - 09/21/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I don't know either. I have no rings at bottom holes. Top holes have a nice downward shaped triangle coming from them though. And moisture drops on surface so I assume it's all good... No idea. 

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    #23665148 - 09/21/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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    #23665182 - 09/21/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23665196 - 09/21/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, i thought you were joking until i opened the images in new tabs :lol:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23665314 - 09/21/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nice stuff pasty! I gotta sumthin similar going with a different species:crazy:


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    #23675251 - 09/24/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #23675502 - 09/24/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well don't use your super NSA spy device as the sole means of accessing this site..


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    #23675540 - 09/24/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Any device is a spy device now.  Fucking google


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: tombosley8]
    #23675605 - 09/25/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sure but I don't access shroomery from one with a camera and GPS capabilities in a closed environment where I can't monitor processes and connections well enough to determine if something is in fact going down.  Bit off topic though..  got nothin against people using phones anyway, just saying, shit sketches me out.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: tombosley8]
    #23675947 - 09/25/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23682565 - 09/27/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For 2 1/4 " holes do you think an extra 1" strip of tape on the bottom holes would be appropriate, or a third layer of tape?

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    #23682589 - 09/27/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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For 2 1/4 " holes do you think an extra 1" strip of tape on the bottom holes would be appropriate, or a third layer of tape?




Maybe. To be honest you are going to need to test it yourself. But I imagine a third layer on the bottoms at that point would be close.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23689884 - 09/29/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Still working out the kinks here. Had a bit of a lecanicillium scare, but without spraying, it seems to have been kept from spreading so far. I'm definitely going to keep playing with MP tape.

   

And this sketchy mofo

   

Which looked just like classic mycogone; white blob with yellow perspiration and a couple brown spots on the stipe.

But the method obv. works. No blobs first flush. Pseudocased with 1/2" CVG at spawn. Pretty sure it's a clone though.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23689910 - 09/29/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i quickly threw this together after my cats went ape shit over the poly stuffing..
i left it this way and it indeed works well.. but i could only do 1 layer of tape
because i ran out. will be tinkering some more with bigger trays/tubs.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: mushboy]
    #23690157 - 09/29/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Still waiting. Not a pin to be found yet...



Also. The left tray I used a card and cut a grid pattern in it. The right one I did not. Curious to see if I get a better pinset with the left gridded tray.

Been in fruiting about 10 days now I'd say. Straight birthed cased and into fruiting. Not seeing anything yet....


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23692435 - 09/29/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have an issue with my micropore tape tub... I think it's not getting enough air flow because after 2 days the walls/ceiling of the tub remain looking wet and moist.  I lightly misted and heavily fanned the tub today 3-4x times today for 30-60seconds to hopefully trigger pinning while I ask this question:

I would like to increase air flow through the sub without drying it, and as I read the original post, you're could remove one of the 1" tapes so that part of the hole will be exposed.  But which hole should I begin with? One of the bottom holes? Or the top holes to start? And how many holes? There are 6 and 8... should I do just like... 2 to start with and see how it goes for the rest of the day?


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    #23692443 - 09/29/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You always adjust top holes first... come on, basic stuff now..


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    #23692448 - 09/29/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I guess I could note I have the bottom layer of top tape on both my tubs and have a Fan blowing at them and honestly they need more fresh air. May remove the middle layer.


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    #23692572 - 09/29/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think you guys run monos too dry to begin with. When getting a pinset in you seriously don't want the walls to dry right out unless you got some real casing going on. Bump the FAE when the pins are in. No wonder half the pics of tubs I see are looking dry.

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    #23773249 - 10/26/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23773331 - 10/26/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Setting up my first monos.  I'm so glad I ran across this.  Polyfill is a pain.  Pasty, I appreciate you sharing your wisdom.

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    #23779816 - 10/28/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:takingnotes:  Will post back how this turns out :thumbup:

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    #23781334 - 10/28/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Trying this on my next tubs!

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pitviper]
    #23785221 - 10/30/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so i had to add an extra layer and still am having the surface dry out ... one tub got hit with trich due to not cleaning my tub out that good because its along the bottom but that tub was moved to anothet room and i had to remove some tape to get better fae ... the room i grow doesnt seem too drafty but i always have to mist 2 3 times a day but also get pools in the corners?


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    #23785234 - 10/30/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Are you running a fan? Is the temp of the room really high? I live in a very dry region so I know a lot about dry tubs. I also case or at least a coir top layer at spawning. If you don't case and your climate is dry then a casing or periodic misting may be needed.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23785236 - 10/30/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also higher FAE won't stop trich if your spawn is bad or your manure pasteurization too hot. It will actually speed up how soon it shows green.

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    #23785263 - 10/30/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This tub right here has never been misted, coir top layer and in fruiting conditions since I spawned it. Plenty of surface condensation, but my house is bone dry.



A healthy sub at proper field capacity should generate enough heat that the condensation forms without needing to mist.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23785273 - 10/30/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its pretty dry here also man no fan but its a manufactured home, floor vents and the ac blows quite a bit but not as much it is staying pretty nice like 73 on its own but the thermostat is by the kitchen and turns on alot ... i know i wont stop the trich but it is due to my dirty tub i used it really is along the bottom .. my grow room stays around 70 with a high of 76 and low of 64 ... it was hard in the summer to keep it under 78 80 on average .. the one tub that is drying doesnt have a casing i have one with coir and one with jiffy the jiffy is perfect ill do a quick mist every 3 days with that one but i also am using medium poly .. the micropore tape with coir casing i mist once but the tub i moved into our bathroom with trich has no casing and is staying with beads ?? That looks nice honestly i think the room is getting more air flow due to it being the closest to the a/c


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47] * 1
    #23785286 - 10/30/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

AC and furnaces running is a variable that needs to be accounted for with any grow. They will dry out monos and SGFCs alike. Close the vents to lessen the airflow a bit or add more tape.

Any method needs to be adjusted as needed. We dial in because we all live in different places. If I was in Florida I would have very different needs from the Sahara.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23785320 - 10/30/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So help me out here Pasty,  Ive put my hybrid tub into fruiting condition while colonising, this beeing covering up every hole with MICROPORE tape.

So I just leave it like this until I get a decent pinset and then take off the top top layer off for better FAE.  How can you see when things are going wrong and need dialling in with this method?

Are there any things  notice while doing it this way?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23785321 - 10/30/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I understand that, i am still trying to get that down right so ive been having to mist a shit ton ... i only have a few more months at most at this dump and hopefully will get better at dialing them in at the new place ... how many layers do you think will be ok to get away with i mean to where its still able to breath


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785327 - 10/30/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

After reading that last post It seems more tape when the tub is drying out but the less the better?  If it looks like its drying spray and add another layer of tape?

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    #23785339 - 10/30/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya you want as much fae without drying out if you dial it in right you will have wall to wall flushes but if not then you have to maintain the tub a shit ton


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    #23785348 - 10/30/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So realistically with a hybrid you want all the top tape of if you can get away with it. 

Why are we doubling up tape to clarify?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23785349 - 10/30/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:smbfacepalm: the man outlined a very good place to start. You'll have to determine your environment, and with it, realize the fungus' needs. Just start with the tek, and use your eyes and mind to determine what should be done.

If you have a drafty room, you'll have to dial it in tight. If you place is real dry, you'll want it tighter too. If you live in a stagnant swamp, looser may be better. It's really not a "one size fits all" thing. That's why there's entire teks on how to dial in a monotub…

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23785370 - 10/30/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And just cause its a hybrid it doesnt mean its still not a mushroom i assume its a cube cross which still is a cube which still needs the same climate as other cubes


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23785382 - 10/30/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yep ive read all those, Franks ect but this is tape and its my first time.  It would be nice to see an idiot friendly chart and explanation here to help out noobies and people who've lost their confidence a bit like me.

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And just cause its a hybrid it doesnt mean its still not a mushroom i assume its a cube cross which still is a cube which still needs the same climate as other cubes




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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785394 - 10/30/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well thats what dank and pasty already were sayin ... its hard for someone in florida to tell someone in arizona or new mexico how to dial in because of being humid and dry the teks are just there for the basics you know? Im having trouble also so i ran it to the tek and then asked what should be done after adjusting it on my own with no luck you have to just do it and see what works for you man


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23785401 - 10/30/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785406 - 10/30/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya no doubt man i would have gave up if it werent for all the dudes that showed love .. run with pastys tek and after a week of it being dry or too wet adjust with less tape or more and if it still doesnt help some one can help point out a problem


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785410 - 10/30/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok. So here it is:
You'll want your bottom holes tighter (extra layer of tape--maybe the extra layer will cover the whole hole, maybe not). You'll want top holes looser. Ideally, I try to dial in maximum airflow, with as little drying out as possible. For me, that means two layers of micropore on the bottom, and an extra strip on each hole. Double layer on the top holes, but that's just during colonization. I like to fruit at spawning dialed in a bit tighter so I don't lose too much moisture.

Once you're ready to get pins, you start to open her up. Little by little, but just watch what you're doing and how things react. YMMV, what works for me may not work for you and vice versa. While it's fruiting I'll have it more like pasty's suggestion, or even take the tape off the top holes depending on what I'm seeing. Your success in this hobby is largely dependent on your ability to read your substrates and their needs, which comes with experience. Keep at it :cookiemonster:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785417 - 10/30/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid: Dialing these is no different than with poly. If there is no surface condensation you add another layer and hit it with a mist. If water starts pooling pull off a layer. Read the conditions of the sub and fruits.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23785427 - 10/30/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Great info,  I have a hundred plates to test.  Does Psi mexicana work well in mono?  I should imagine once the FAE is a issue.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23785439 - 10/30/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I had limited success with psi. mexicana in a mini mono. Trays in my fruiting chamber worked better for me. Could be because of FAE as you wrote. I would stuff the polyfill loose and mist a little more to prevent substrate/casing layer drying.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: enlightenment]
    #23785453 - 10/30/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Ferather]
    #23785515 - 10/30/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sure man. We don't discriminate here.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23799944 - 11/04/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Does anyone have some results they could share from this tek? I'll be sure to post up mine when I get there :heart:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23800064 - 11/04/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What, the pasty plate tek?  Just look around, a ton of people are successful with this tek.  I'd say most of the agar grows I see have used this tek.

Edit:  Oops, I thought this was the pasty plate thread.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Kenetic]
    #23800097 - 11/04/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I will once my monotub  has fruited



Let me add a question here too.  Its all looking quite good at the moment but I think im a quart or 2 short in this sized box from this TEK.  What do you think?

Im just about to test a clone and I might try 3:3

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Kenetic]
    #23800404 - 11/04/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Curious to see your results with your hole placements and sizes.

My very first Amazonian grow will be with micropore covering the holes. I have 2" holes in my tub. I may have put it too close to the substrate level, but we'll see how it goes. After growing Treasure Coasts for all my previous grows, I've noticed that this mycelium is very different looking.



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What, the pasty plate tek?  Just look around, a ton of people are successful with this tek.  I'd say most of the agar grows I see have used this tek.




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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23800454 - 11/04/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah ive set it up as a hybrid as written in the tek.  However ive put it straight into fruiting conditions from the beginning as many are these days.  Double layer of tape on the lower holes.



So as soon as that looks fully colonised and beginning to knot im going open as many of the top holes as possible without drying it out.  I think it looks ok at the mo but maybe a little spray in a few days. 

But do you think I should use a 3:3 ration in this sized box?



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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23800821 - 11/04/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol wrong thread (obviously).  Which explains why I was confused about the micropore tape haha. 

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23800834 - 11/04/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah ive set it up as a hybrid as written in the tek.  However ive put it straight into fruiting conditions from the beginning as many are these days.  Double layer of tape on the lower holes.



So as soon as that looks fully colonised and beginning to knot im going open as many of the top holes as possible without drying it out.  I think it looks ok at the mo but maybe a little spray in a few days. 

But do you think I should use a 3:3 ration in this sized box?







Once the pinset is in I would pull the tape off the hybrid holes and just leave it on the lower holes. I don't go above a 1:1.5 spawn ratio myself.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23800883 - 11/04/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah ive set it up as a hybrid as written in the tek.  However ive put it straight into fruiting conditions from the beginning as many are these days.  Double layer of tape on the lower holes.



So as soon as that looks fully colonised and beginning to knot im going open as many of the top holes as possible without drying it out.  I think it looks ok at the mo but maybe a little spray in a few days. 

But do you think I should use a 3:3 ration in this sized box?







Once the pinset is in I would pull the tape off the hybrid holes and just leave it on the lower holes. I don't go above a 1:1.5 spawn ratio myself.





Would you add more to this 24L box?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23800925 - 11/04/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23801187 - 11/04/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Mods about to go down :wink:

Does anyone have some results they could share from this tek? I'll be sure to post up mine when I get there :heart:




This tek came out a few days before I switched my first tub to fruiting. Only ever used MP and don't plan on ever switching to poly. Before this tek I would always see people getting ripped on for using MP tape and getting advised to replace with poly. I figured MP was too good to be true so I bought a giant bag of poly. Now I have a giant bag of it for no reason haha maybe I'll make a pillow.


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    #23801644 - 11/04/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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They seem to be lacking FAE? Judging mostly by their really fuzzy feet.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23801686 - 11/04/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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They seem to be lacking FAE? Judging mostly by their really fuzzy feet.




Fuzzy feet is often genetic and common in monos. But the fruits are not overly lanky which is a good thing. He might me able to dial in a little better once the pinset is in but overall a good effort.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23801713 - 11/04/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is the tape easy to re-use?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Raven44]
    #23801811 - 11/04/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've reused a couple of mine a few times and scrubbed them out just was careful not to scrub the patches and all is well.

they do really well with water.

Seems like they would hold up for a while but I'd be more worried of them getting covered in mold spores from all my contammed tubs before I needed to replace them due to wear...

Easy enough to replace when needed especially since I have the 2" wide tape now.

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    #23801893 - 11/04/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuzzy feet is often genetic and common in monos. But the fruits are not overly lanky which is a good thing. He might me able to dial in a little better once the pinset is in but overall a good effort.




Ahh thanks for clearing that up. Still comparing all my grows to the ones I had in my greenhouse. All my monotubs been getting fuzzy feet lately with what i thought was plenty FAE. Now that I found your micropore tape tek, I've been so excited to try it.

This is how my 2nd flush mono looks right now. Only had 2 quarts spawn.



I'm hoping to use the 2" holes for more FAE, with micropore tape to keep in humidity (that's what it does right?) for less maintenance.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23801902 - 11/04/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that tub was a clone from a fruit with big time fuzzy feet

Same clone grown in a SGFC with a ceiling fan on in the room
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23822538 - 11/11/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What's the deal with the holes in that thing?

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    #23822545 - 11/11/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those were previous experiments. My "test" tub. Those small holes are all taped up.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23822607 - 11/11/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Gotcha. I have a few tubs like that too :super:

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    #23823007 - 11/11/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm gonna have to try this sooner than later, my cat keeps pulling all my poly out of my totes  :mad2:

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    #23823016 - 11/11/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As long as she doesn't eat your shrooms :lol:
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: enlightenment]
    #23834857 - 11/15/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Same tek followed, except with 2" holes right... but why do I still keep getting the fuzzy foot?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23834894 - 11/15/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Could be genetics, could need a touch more FAE. Depending on many factors these won't be able to be dialed in exactly the way I do it. Adjust the tape on the top holes and maybe even remove a single strip on the bottom holes if you need more. Just like with poly you need to dial these in as you go. I will add some pics later showing some of these small adjustments here soon, just been having some issues with my laptop.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23834918 - 11/15/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What would be really helpful would be a photo of what stage you increase the FAE, i.e pin size or knotting ect and why.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23834970 - 11/15/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Pasty. It's easier for me to learn from something I can see and relate to.

I made the 2" holes 'cause I prefer as much FAE as possible without drying out too fast. I don't mind misting every 2nd day or so and it seems that's exactly what I need to do with this. The casing has been needing a slight mist every day or so now, so if it's not the genetics, I have no idea what else it would be.

Could it be stagnant air in this case?

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What would be really helpful would be a photo of what stage you increase the FAE, i.e pin size or knotting ect and why.




I put the tub into fruiting conditions 4 days ago 'cause the myc was breaking through the casing layer and i noticed this tiny pin. This is what it looked like on that day:

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23839151 - 11/16/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



Both tubs taped exactly the same but why does the top seem to allow more FAE? In a walk-in closet with no air movement.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: SanFrog]
    #23839235 - 11/16/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's because there is air movement. The tubs themselves are creating heat which is cycling air. That is why dialing in a tub needs to consider many variables. Funny thing is the exact same thing will happen with poly, it's just easier to see with the tape.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23839262 - 11/16/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So your saying the one beneath it is heating the top tub? Since heat rises.



Pretty limited on space and would like to keep them vertical for the lighting.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: SanFrog]
    #23839281 - 11/16/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yep that's exactly what's happening. Its also cycling the air in the closet as well. I recommend that you observe the sub surface. If it's getting dry you can either mist it more, or add another strip of tape to the bottom holes. Start with small adjustments if you add more tape. Add a strip to the bottom half. If it's still not enough add a strip to the top half. Dial it in incrementally.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23839312 - 11/16/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The surface is incredibly wet with droplets, almost to the point I want to soak some up but they are APE and just beginning to pin. The lower one that had some sketchy spots after casing, just turned green today:(

Do you think a small fan on a timer would aid at all with that? If say I had 8 total. 2 stacks of 4 like that?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: SanFrog]
    #23839468 - 11/16/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Your pins like the "droplets". Leave em be. Once your pinset fills out then you should introduce more FAE. :thumbup:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23844497 - 11/18/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I knew something was off with this tub. It turned out getting trich :rolleyes: I covered the area with salt. It's been a day since then and it seems like that'll hold it off for a while.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Timmy Meow]
    #23845036 - 11/18/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I find I usually get early fruits when the tub is contaminated.  Shame as you have quite a nice pin set on its way.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23845629 - 11/18/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ouch, that's a pretty serious contam

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Kenetic]
    #23845716 - 11/18/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I feel like diluting the salt would be counterproductive


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23845786 - 11/18/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've mixed salt and pure bleach. It definitely stopped the surface from growing more mold. What happened underneath, i don't know, but I finished my flush for sure.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23845866 - 11/18/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I feel like diluting the salt would be counterproductive




actually its called a salt paste and its the recommended way of salting trich patches. use very little water tho.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: spacechildo]
    #23846025 - 11/18/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't consider it diluting anyway.  I was thinking of a little wetter than a paste because the purpose of the water is to help the salt penetrate the sub a little deeper where there is more contams.  Just an idea though


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Kenetic]
    #23846033 - 11/18/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The sub will produce a huge amount of metabolites where you lay down the salt, it will sometimes need to be mopped up with a paper to towel to keep from spreading too far. I used to lay down folded paper towel to hold it all together.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23846051 - 11/18/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid: folded paper towel over a salted spot is pretty much necessary. Gets real wet, real fast.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23846062 - 11/18/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23846303 - 11/18/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23860409 - 11/23/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

2nd attempt of the hybridge box looks alot better.  Its a bit dry so ive given it a good spray.  Something should happen soon.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23860448 - 11/23/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Looking good. I made a couple mini monos last night. The poly fill in the top 2 holes pissed me off lol. I was dreading putting it in the bottom for fruiting, then I remembered this. I am SOOOO FUCKING TRYING THIS! Fuck poly fill LOL


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23860463 - 11/23/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #23889907 - 12/03/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Iv'e got some sticky back eco-fi felt I was thinking of substituting for the micropore tape......any thoughts on that?



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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23889917 - 12/03/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People have used felt I believe. You can give it a try but I have no experience with it.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23889929 - 12/03/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ya, I see alot use it for GE on their lids which is what I originally got it for but the convenience of it is great for this with the sticky back.
I'm still in the trial and error stages anyway, I will give it a go and report back,
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23891382 - 12/03/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Silicone is much better than a sticky-back ime


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Kenetic]
    #23965356 - 12/29/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been looking for 3" micropore tape but all I can seem to find is paper micropore tape....is this something usable for this purpose?

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Shrooms4fun]
    #23965677 - 12/29/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yep paper micropore will work fine.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24016611 - 01/17/17 06:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just a stupid question: Will this tek also work on Mini Monos like in pastys Mini Mono description? I have one hole 1,25 inch on the long sides and one hole 1,25inch on the short sides :smile:

I hope that I can get rid of this mess with poly every time, so I'll buy some 3M MP Tape :smile:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24016614 - 01/17/17 06:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yep I use it on my mini's as well.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24016622 - 01/17/17 06:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Fine, thank you very much Pasty!

For your Lid filters, do you use sfds? Poly? Or also micropore? :smile:

If you use SFDs and you don't have enough, would you either use Poly or Micropore for the Lids?


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24016633 - 01/17/17 06:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I use SFD but lately I have been using the lids unmodified.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24016638 - 01/17/17 07:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I have read this tek, but unfortunaetly I haven't found any of these pp5 lids in germany :smile:


So would you say:

SFDs - Poly - MP
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SFDs - MP - Poly

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24016641 - 01/17/17 07:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I never used poly so I don't really want to compare anything to it. It could be a fine filter. It might be terrible. Many respectible cultivators seem to have no problems with it.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24016746 - 01/17/17 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for your answers :smile:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k] * 1
    #24016755 - 01/17/17 08:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

people obsess over lids. i use 2 layers a tape and a square of shitty tyvek.
ive done that for a loooong time. in the last 6 months ive lost 1 jar to possible lid failure.

dont forget kids! mini monos make great chambers for other things that you can put inside.
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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: mushboy]
    #24054372 - 01/31/17 12:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sometimes you may want to dial in for some extra FAE, especially for thick pinsets. This is a simple thing to do. For the lower holes, remove the last strip applied. This is the one that is on the upper part of the hole assuming you applied the tape the same as shown. For the top holes you can move the upper piece of tape down a bit or remove it completely if needed. This way you can dial the tubs in to get good air exchange to support the pinset.




Would you these steps after some pins have formed or only after the pinset is quite dense and they have a decent size? :smile:

Ich have a lot of very, very small pins forming and I'm not sure if it's time to increase FAE.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24054454 - 01/31/17 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like to wait until they are at least 1.5-2" tall. At that point they start to generate their own microclimate and can handle the FAE bump.

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24054467 - 01/31/17 12:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, thank you Pasty :smile:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24054540 - 01/31/17 01:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My sig is a 27qt mini micropore the whole time.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24054794 - 01/31/17 02:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

nice man :smile:

I have such a dense pinset, I don't want to do anything wrong. It's my first time with micropore :smile:


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24054805 - 01/31/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

tape fo life.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: mushboy]
    #24054814 - 01/31/17 03:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Can 2017 be the year without SGFCs, Polyfil and Perlite? They both seem unnecessary to me in this hobby currently. Even for PF tek you can easily make a mini mono with micropore and top fruit jars in them.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24063158 - 02/03/17 05:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Pasty your monos have 1.25" holes???

Mine are like...3-4" lol...

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #24063496 - 02/03/17 07:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

3/4" or 3 to 4"?
Cause damn son how did you ever tighten poly with a 4" hole?


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    #24063504 - 02/03/17 07:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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3/4" or 3 to 4"?
Cause damn son how did you ever tighten poly with a 4" hole?





Originally 4 but that shit was ceay. Niw I do 3"

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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Brain Fart] * 1
    #24063532 - 02/03/17 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My holes are 2" and I consider that large you old(brain)fart


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    #24063675 - 02/03/17 09:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My holes are 2" and I consider that large you old(brain)fart




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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #24064120 - 02/04/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is my go to method. I have poly, but it's tucked away and forgotten about. This micropore holes work really well in my experience.

One layer deep on top, two layers deep on bottom. Once my pins came in I took the lowest layer of tape off, making the bottom holes two layers on top half of the hole, one layer on bottom half.

Was my first agar run of Koh samui that succeeded, 3 quarts of spawn, 850+g wet. See sig. worked fantastic for me.


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Re: Easy Micropore Dialed Monos (moved) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24064157 - 02/04/17 01:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Dont take this the wrong way but the tub in ur sig should of bin picked waaay earlier.  Pick before veil fully rips away n the quality will be way better , never let em open full like that unless ur printing.  Taste n potency will greatly increase if u do, i pik mine before the veil even slightly tears n they taste like popcorn, great job tho they look b-e-a-uitiful

Ive bin using franks mono sgfc hybrid  for my last 4 tubs n it works great , no dickin around with top poly. I think i might try this method with them then ill jst have to adjust the top tape, cld b a game changer


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