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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23649811 - 09/16/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm drunk dindu shoot me a question.

*im rather impressed with dindus commitment to this troll/game. Most of the discussion we've had has been nothing but civil and academic




ModestMouse is gunna win the game :unwanted:

But for the community as a Whole!

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23649827 - 09/16/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly its a damn paradox.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649841 - 09/16/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@modestmouse,

now, your inquiry sir, why is psychedelic consumption a requirement for this challenge?  do you feel as though the writings are not explanatory enough on their own?  that some mind altering chemical must be consumed to somehow drive the message home? 





I have a guess to why a psychedelic is needed for the challenge. Because like the psychedelic experience itself, pure knowledge cannot be explain to another person, it must be experienced directly. Can u truely explain what a San Pedro experience is like to another person accurately and completely? No way!

So by taking the cacti, u will experience (hopefully) the "raw" version of all the subconcepts without the Self interpretting it.

Thats my personal theory of why. Theres something in mescaline that was chosen, i must seek it out....

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23649960 - 09/16/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I will not assume anything. There are many ways to skin a cat.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: brk]
    #23650100 - 09/16/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@brk,

the speaker is answering the question sir.  we can move forward once you confirm you understand the first part of the response.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: monkey_mine]
    #23650137 - 09/16/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@monkey_mine,

so the person understands a problem fully.  that is, they see that both the problem/challenge and every possible solution are means and ends to another problem/challenge.  they see that means and ends are one.  so they understand the integral nature of the all aspects of the problem.  granting all of this, this person then chooses a solution, a response.  and this response is the same response that would have been compulsively chosen by another.  is that it sir?




Yes. I see your point Mr. the speaker. Why choose a solution/response that you now see as inadequate, as one that will not solve the problem? So with complete understanding, compulsion ends.





@monkey_mine,

does it sir?  does the man who understands all actions and their subsequent outcomes, who understands the nature of all things to which he is related, all of the many impacts of his actions, and the nature of himself mechanically, is this man compelled?  perhaps to answer this question we must first discern what determines the adequacy of a rightly understood action? 

sir, if an action is fully understood, what determines its adequacy?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23650149 - 09/16/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So does shrooms and LSD not qualify for the challenge? I mean, does it have to be cacti?

Just curious on who is making these specific rules.

Also, Im down too :yesnod: :sanpedro:




@logical chaos,

it can be cactus or it's equivalent.  but by jove make sure it's legal sir!  (...what is legal fundamentally?)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23650167 - 09/16/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Can I have my money now...


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23650196 - 09/16/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
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ModestMouse said:
So why is psychedelic consumption a requirement to this challenge? Do you feel as thought the writings are not explanatory enough on their own? That some mind altering chemical must be consumed to somehow drive the message home?




Dont u get it?

The psychedelic substance is the last key to the puzzle.

One can only truely understand the meta-nature of the message within the writing when their ego is stripped completely away. Hence the peyote/mescaline. Not sure why mescaline and not mushrooms, but its all part of the challenge!

I bet many of u believe this DindoNuffin (silly ass name) is trolling us in an elaborate prank. He could be, he could be speaking the truth.

But i bet you his name holds a key aspect of the puzzle....




@logical chaos,

oh sir indeed!!  you see!!  now sir, we know that KRISHNAMURTI never took a psychedelic drug, but spent his whole life describing the psychedelic experience.  that is, something most of us see as impossible to describe, KRISHNAMURTI described it more accurately than anyone else, and nearly no one understood. 

unfortunately, KRISHNAMURTI never took peyote, or any other psychedelic, because he formed an opinion about it prior to using it.  preconception sir, destroys reality.  KRISHNAMURTI knew this.  he saw it in himself.  he saw how presupposition skews thought but yet approached psychedelics through this veil of false approximation.  what this is, is a paradox that precipitates a contradiction. 

the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE, as we will find out, is many things.  one of them is an earnest attempt at finding out what happens when the metaconcept, suspended in the collective mind, is discerned within the complete dissolution of the self.  this might be a little too abstract for some of us hanging out in the realm of the particular.   

now, the speaker's name: @dindunuffin, shall we discuss its significance to the puzzle?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23650201 - 09/16/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@spirit_shadow,

this is not a matter of belief sir, this is a matter of discernment.  belief is opinion.  discernment transcends opinion.  discernment understand both sides and their integrated relationship to the problem. 

remember the forest sir?  the changing of the outcome is the transiency of the forest.  means and ends sir.  they are one.



Does discernment not require belief? At the end of the the day you have to believe something. And if I were to consume peyote and got caught, no matter what I do or say, the outsome remains static. It doesnt matter anyway because I cant take your challenge.




@spirit_shadow,

sir, discernment and belief cannot mutually coexist.  one destroys the other.  they are like logic and authority.  dark and light.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23650210 - 09/16/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, i think i may have a sliver of the puzzle.

The source of All Knowledge comes from within the Self. All technology, science, discovery, has come forth because it was "found" inside the Self over time. But, once the Self becomes self-aware, this knowledge is no longer objective but subjective. A Paradox of Knowledge. By knowing that you know, its putting a label, therefore the knowledge is tainted from the subjectivity of the Self, even thou all knowledge comes from the Self.

Am i getting warm good sir?




@logical chaos,

sir, is truth to be found through the concept of self, or is truth the reflection of environment?  that is, can the self seek truth, or does truth come to you?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23650211 - 09/16/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
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ModestMouse said:
I'm drunk dindu shoot me a question.

*im rather impressed with dindus commitment to this troll/game. Most of the discussion we've had has been nothing but civil and academic




ModestMouse is gunna win the game :unwanted:

But for the community as a Whole!




that's it!  when the game is won, we all win!  oh sir indeed!  now we are getting to it!

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23650225 - 09/16/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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goldcaphunter said:
Can I have my money now...




@goldcaphunter,

option #3 sir.  the only way to the BIG BIG MONEY is through option #3.  earnest communion.  it is not through the approximation of blowjobs.  that is predetermination, which is authority, which destroys reality. 

certainly you see that there is both outward authority and inward authority?  the police, the government, outward.  preconception, ideals, inward.  are we together sir?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23650278 - 09/16/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I already contribute to the community as much as I can. I dont need a book or even psychedelics for that matter to do so. You shouldnt have to give people an incentive to do good.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23650358 - 09/16/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Soo do I get my money NOW?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23650512 - 09/16/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

now what is incentive sir?  i wonder if you have ever thought about what is incentive...

naturally, there is incentive all around us, isn't there sir?  that is, an action, subsequently, has results.  those results are both the incentive and the deterrent based on ones preconceptions.  are we together so far sir?  this is going to get a little bit abstract.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23650525 - 09/16/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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DinduNuffin said:
@spiritshadow,

now what is incentive sir?  i wonder if you have ever thought about what is incentive...

naturally, there is incentive all around us, isn't there sir?  that is, an action, subsequently, has results.  those results are both the incentive and the deterrent based on ones preconceptions.  are we together so far sir?  this is going to get a little bit abstract.



Well in this instance incentive is clearly money. But yes im with you and im ready.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23650664 - 09/16/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

indeed.  so there is incentive.  naturally.  and there is deterrent.  the self moves through environment collecting experience, which is time.  fragments of time are stored and we call them memories.  now if you examine these things, these memories, you see that they are not so concrete are they sir?  they exist instead as vague intimations.  and one spends a great percentage of their thought-time basking in these intimations.  that is, outside of crisis, outside of urgency, outside of action which is not activity, the self is actively refurbishing itself through consideration of these memories, these intimations.  now, when mind finds a memory that has some associated hint of security, it projects and compares those circumstances thereby creating the future and incentive.  conversely, when mind finds a memory with an associated reduction in security it projects it thereby creating the future and deterrent.  so incentive, deterrent, and the future are precipitates of the past.   

may we keep going sir?  are we moving along in unison?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23651386 - 09/16/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So incintive is just an illusion, as it resides in the past. But what resides in the present? Is it activity?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23651462 - 09/16/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@spiritshadow,

indeed.  so there is incentive.  naturally.  and there is deterrent.  the self moves through environment collecting experience, which is time.  fragments of time are stored and we call them memories.  now if you examine these things, these memories, you see that they are not so concrete are they sir?  they exist instead as vague intimations.  and one spends a great percentage of their thought-time basking in these intimations.  that is, outside of crisis, outside of urgency, outside of action which is not activity, the self is actively refurbishing itself through consideration of these memories, these intimations.  now, when mind finds a memory that has some associated hint of security, it projects and compares those circumstances thereby creating the future and incentive.  conversely, when mind finds a memory with an associated reduction in security it projects it thereby creating the future and deterrent.  so incentive, deterrent, and the future are precipitates of the past.   

may we keep going sir?  are we moving along in unison?



Maybe for you. But not everyone thinks that way. Some people remember everything vividly but I see your point as well. Everyone is different. The only equality is love....or death.


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