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ihatethis
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WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome!
#23650063 - 09/16/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello fellas and chikkas,
This is my first time experimenting with WBS and coir, and second mono with them. I am only posting this today because I am about to pick the first 1/4 of the first yield tonight or tomorrow morning.
We have here a B+ monotub (Doc34 and Frank's WBS tek for spawn *plus added gypsum, Damion's coir tek and Oven / Oven - Bag Pasteurization teks *plus added gypsum for substrate):

Here is the 50/50 coir/verm that was pasteurized @ 170-180 for 3 hours in the oven:

Here is a picture after colonization and before the bottom plastic bag was trimmed:

Here is a pic of the lighting (LED rope tek):

Here is the tub after colonization and with the bag trimmed (I also doubled the polyfill because I thought my FAE was off):

Here is a pic when the pins first started:

A few pics between, and now:


A few notes during the last couple of weeks:
- Polyfill was used, not cotton from pillows as used in a previous post:

If you read anything saying that polyfill is in pillows, some don't. Make sure that your pillow has actual polyfill or just buy it. It's 3 bucks.
-My processes are and always will be as stealth as possible. I believe that this hobby can be done stealth if proper thought and preparation is given beforehand (including not being a cheapo for materials). The yields may suffer a bit, and to be completely honest, some people are more concerned with stealth than 'the maximum amount' of mushys. My first two sig photos were not quite as stealth as this one, but as you get older you can buy more toys. This and every grow I have done is in a closet.
-This setup is 100% automated with all accessories including my fan on a Wi-Fi timer (in case I need to turn everything on/off instantly from my phone) and my light is on a 12 hours on / 12 hours off analog timer.

There is also a Wi-Fi camera added on the lid to check elsewhere in case something needs attention.
- I need your help on this one: Every tub made recently has gotten a crack in the middle of the substrate. Again *This is my first time with WBS and coir, and second mono with them*. However, the mushys in this tub seemed to be attracted to that crack. This work can only be checked maximum of once a day / every two days and I'm guessing this happens when the tub is moved and it flexes on the bottom? I would say it's either that or the substrate is too dry, but it doesn't look or feel dry.
-I will admit that I have never successfully dialed in a monotub for optimal FAE. My tub is usually dry the next morning and I will have to mist the walls. The polyfill or the fanning always seems to be off. I also live in a dry climate. Any advice to this would be helpful.
- There was a ballpoint pen tip sized area of green looking possible trich that was scooped out with a spoon and it looks to have successfully prevented 'immediate contamination'. Let me know what you guys think:

More pics to come...
Edited by ihatethis (09/16/16 10:55 AM)
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Soreidorb
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: ihatethis]
#23650329 - 09/16/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mushies loves the cracks because it creates a micro climate that is perfect for growth. My recommendation is to thin out your bottom polyfil holes and make sure your top holes are very loose. That was my problem on my first few tubs. Once I let more air in my tubs now pin evenly. Over all looks like a great setup man. I like it. What is the rope light color spectrum?
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Soreidorb]
#23650351 - 09/16/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks good mane.
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Soreidorb]
#23650362 - 09/16/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, is the sub 50% coir 50% verm? You may have the recipe confused with the poster of that teks name.
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Inocuole
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23650380 - 09/16/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rooster Cogburn said: So, is the sub 50% coir 50% verm? You may have the recipe confused with the poster of that teks name.
Came to say this.
Coir verm works a lot better along the range of 70/30, in favor of coir.
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ihatethis
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Soreidorb]
#23650432 - 09/16/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Color spectrum is 6000-6500k the rope I used is 72 LEDs per meter, super bright.
They haven't done me wrong yet
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ihatethis
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23650451 - 09/16/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ihatethis
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Inocuole]
#23650452 - 09/16/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can believe that Inocule, I will definitely try this on my next tub. 
Thanks - much appreciated.
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Inocuole
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: ihatethis]
#23650489 - 09/16/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mmmmmm said: Damion's 50/50 coir / verm tek
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
No... Damion5050's Coir tek.
Quote:
Supplies Needed
1 Brick of Coir 2 Quarts of Verm
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Inocuole]
#23650500 - 09/16/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inocuole said:
Quote:
mmmmmm said: Damion's 50/50 coir / verm tek
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
No... Damion5050's Coir tek.
Quote:
Supplies Needed
1 Brick of Coir 2 Quarts of Verm
It's amazing this is still happening

Also, I like using a brick of coir with 2 quarts manure. Dope flushes that way. This next run I'm gonna use 9 quarts of spawn instead of 7
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: ihatethis]
#23654037 - 09/17/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mmmmmm said: Color spectrum is 6000-6500k the rope I used is 72 LEDs per meter, super bright.
They haven't done me wrong yet 
I'm going to have to check those out, very nice!
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ihatethis
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Soreidorb] 1
#23655065 - 09/18/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I call this piece:
The perfectly plucked 8th symphony quintuplets. 1 boy and 4 girls
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ihatethis
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: ihatethis]
#23655068 - 09/18/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's an update on the bin, minus a few already picked:
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Mush Freak
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: ihatethis]
#23657060 - 09/18/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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From the pictures you've posted, if the shrooms all pinned at the same time, the pinset would be a lot better. I'd urge you to consider covering the holes of your monotub with tape until the substrate is 100% colonized, and then removing the tape and stuffing with polyfil.
There are threads suggesting to spawn the monotub and immediately put the polyfil in , thus introducing the tub to fruiting. I'm not here to debate that, there is a million ways to skin a cat so to speak. However, that large crack down the middle of your tub tells me that either, 1) You did not bring the substrate to field capacity before spawning, or 2) The tub was getting to much FAE and it dried out. It may be a combination of both. In my experience i've had better results waiting until the substrate is 100% colonized(looks like a frosted cake).
And as others have pointed out, damion5050 is the name of the poster. His tek is not a 50/50 ratio of verm/coir. No biggie, a lot of people have done that.
Congrats on your mono grow, its definetly a success if you can harvest some beautiful fruits as you have.
Peace!
Edit: I forgot to ask about your fan. You say its on a timer, is it facing the tubs directly or indirectly? Does it oscillate? This may be a good area to address first as you say your tubs tend to dry out after the first day.
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Edited by Mush Freak (09/18/16 09:20 PM)
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Mush Freak]
#23657569 - 09/19/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush Freak said: However, that large crack down the middle of your tub tells me that either, 1) You did not bring the substrate to field capacity before spawning, or 2) The tub was getting to much FAE and it dried out. It may be a combination of both. In my experience i've had better results waiting until the substrate is 100% colonized(looks like a frosted cake).
That's odd because it tells me that him either picking up or dropping the tub caused that crack due to the bottom giving way slightly. I've never seen something get so dry it cracked. Ever. That happens?
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ihatethis
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Re: WBS & 50/50 coir/verm B+ Monotub - uneven pinset, but awesome! [Re: Mush Freak]
#23657969 - 09/19/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The holes were covered with tape until 100% colonized. I think I got a wierd pinset because my fan was busy doing other things the first 2-3 days of fruiting. I was hand fanning. Once the fan was added 24/7 then the pins started coming in evenly.
The fan is a honeywell circulator fan. Honestly the fan placement was different each day that I noticed the FAE was off. I moved it each time that I noticed that I there wasn't condensation on the sides of the bin the next morning. When I placed the fan next to the bin, with the fan blowing away from the bin, this seemed to work better than most. This seemed to help more than anything. I also doubled the polyfill to try and help with that.
Does adding more polyfill help or hinder FAE in your opinions?
That is interesting thought regarding field capacity. I didn't actually squeeze my substrate to see the moisture content - I just followed the recipe in the tek. The main difference is that I pasteurized the substrate in the oven for 3 hours at 170-180 instead of just letting it set in the bucket for several hours. That could be why it dried out? It doesn't look or feel dry though. I'll be honest, I'm almost positive it is the bin flexing when it moves. Do your guys move your bins or does it literally stay in the same spot during colonization, fruiting and harvest?
On my KSSS tub, I'm hoping to get the pinset / FAE down. Thanks for the suggestions and feedback!
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