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Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub
    #23649445 - 09/16/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How important is that your substrate is leveled with with the bottom holes of monotub?

I did a monotub with 4 gallons of substrate in it and the substrate being 1 inch below of the bottom holes, and in 11 days pins was forming, but very VERY slowly.

At day 15 the pins had grown about nanometer, and i decided to lift the substrate up to exactly the same level as the bottom holes and that worked.

Is the hole placement really that important? Cause what i have read, people have fruited monotubs with the bottom holes being too high even 2 inches.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23649455 - 09/16/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You can fruit in a monotub with no holes at all if you know what you're doing.  I think you were just being impatient and coincidentally made the change when things were going to pick up on their own anyway.  2 inches wouldn't make a huge difference.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23649465 - 09/16/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not important but it's preferable. You may get "fuzzy feet" or elongated stems with the holes higher.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Inocuole]
    #23649474 - 09/16/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I did 3 monotubs with this same problem, that the substrate was not leveled with the holes and none of them made fruits. They were in fruiting conditions for 25 days and they pinned only a little and slowly, then substrate got trichoderma. The FAE was good, cause there were evaporation rings on all of the holes, but the substrate was 1 inch below the bottom holes.

This 4th time i lifted the substrate up to the same level as bottom holes and it seems to work.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior] * 1
    #23649483 - 09/16/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If it got trich before the end of the first flush it's because your spawn is dirty, not because of hole placement.  Probably why it's not doing so well in other departments..


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Inocuole]
    #23649520 - 09/16/16 04:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't even get the first flush out of it. Yea maybe my cakes are dirty, that's why i have 5 wbs cakes growing in separate FC to see if they fruit. They look as healthy as those cakes that i have used in monotub grows.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23649993 - 09/16/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I thought the holes should be just above subtstrate any way not level? The tek i saw goes off the tub line... Plus once you get a flush that shit shrinks way lower sometimes before the first flush so you still would have holes higher then the sub your bottom holes are for ge the top holes push fresh air in and out right?


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23650036 - 09/16/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't blame failure on holes or hole placement



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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23663834 - 09/21/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All 5 cakes are now fruiting, so my spawn is fine. The 1st monotub is producing some weird looking shrooms. Very fat and short legs, small caps. It has been on fruiting stage for 16 days now which makes me worry cause usually i have had my first flush completed at this point. 2nd monotub is not yet fruiting, it's only on day 3.

I'm starting to think that the substrate has been contaminated during pasteurizing or my substrate materials are filthy. 3 monotubs already failed so something is not right.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23664015 - 09/21/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why do people think that fruiting equates to spawn is fine? 

That's the last thing your spawn means, if your Stuff is fruiting.  Just means your probably bacterial spawn got through to the fruiting stage without being annihilated by the green.  :shrug:


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Mushierage]
    #23664043 - 09/21/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe cause people don't know that spawn/substrate can be contaminated a little and still fruit. I have been using these same methods and now i have ran into a wall, i cant get anything to grow as they should! I cleaned the house and replaced some tools that i use to grow.

Cakes looks healthy, as healthy as they have always looked when i have had successful grows. Those shrooms are just pathetic cause i fruited WBS cakes without casing, at least i get some prints from em cause im running dry soon.

Fingers crossed for monotubs! Weird looking shrooms, but i see more and more pins coming. MAYBE AFTER ALL it did something when i lifted the substrate higher to the bottom hole level?
That 2nd monotub is at hole level from the day 1 and i used the same substrate to it as in 1st monotub. That way i can observe the effects of lifting the substrate to bottom hole level at day 1 VS day 15.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23664178 - 09/21/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Are your spores germinating on wbs? Or agar?


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23664767 - 09/21/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Are your spores germinating on wbs? Or agar?



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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23665527 - 09/21/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm well assuming youre properly prepping your wbs Im going to guess that agar is your only hope at this point


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23666963 - 09/22/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What do you mean?
I'm propably going to start over from prints that i got from those WBS cakes that i used to see if my cakes are dirty.
Gotta clean the house, change some tools and try to work as clean as possible.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23667216 - 09/22/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23675676 - 09/25/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I looked into that and thanks, should have learned agar years ago.

Update on monotubs. The 1st monotub still looks weird. Shrooms grow very slow and the stems are still very fat and caps are pointy and small, but they grow.
2nd monotub started to grow shrooms today and it looks normal.

WBS cakes are ready, but damn that harvest! 2 little shroomies per cake but yea, at least i got the prints out of em.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23675684 - 09/25/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't blame failure on holes or hole placement






Looking at those makes me tingly.
They look almost like Shimeji mushrooms.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: joey]
    #23675713 - 09/25/16 01:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I credit my recent minor succes to the focus on a lot of FAE and leaving the lid off periodically.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23675900 - 09/25/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you mean?
I'm propably going to start over from prints that i got from those WBS cakes that i used to see if my cakes are dirty.
Gotta clean the house, change some tools and try to work as clean as possible.




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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23676193 - 09/25/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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WBS cakes are ready, but damn that harvest! 2 little shroomies per cake but yea, at least i got the prints out of em.




if you fruit a colonized brick of wbs no casing layer no spawning no wonder your yields suck, find a proper tek with a trail of good results and follow it.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: spacechildo]
    #23676458 - 09/25/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol you are absolute right!


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23676461 - 09/25/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok i will follow that from now on cause that seems like taking step 1 step 2 etc etc etc


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23685891 - 09/28/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

1st monotub seems to be ready soon. There is about 70+ shrooms that has short but fat stems, small caps. Also there is 8 normal shrooms that are to be open in 2 days. What this could mean? Why there is so much those fatties?

2nd monotub has fruited but very unevenly. It looks much healthier though than the 1st one!

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It must be cause of some bacteria.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23685937 - 09/28/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23685944 - 09/28/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That is the nicest tub I have ever seen. Thank you for that.  Those pictures will end up in a book down the road.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: mushboy]
    #23685954 - 09/28/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No i don't have.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23685974 - 09/28/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't blame failure on holes or hole placement






That is the nicest tub I have ever seen. Thank you for that.  Those pictures will end up in a book down the road.





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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23685984 - 09/28/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I saw your posts earlier. Fucking breath taking. Its my phone back round.
You dont strike me as the person to boast or throw it around all smug but I'm sure your well proud and maybe impressed your self. I sense a TC tag in the future.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23686208 - 09/28/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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1st monotub seems to be ready soon. There is about 70+ shrooms that has short but fat stems, small caps. Also there is 8 normal shrooms that are to be open in 2 days. What this could mean? Why there is so much those fatties?

2nd monotub has fruited but very unevenly. It looks much healthier though than the 1st one!

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It must be cause of some bacteria.




Unless you are working with a cloned sample or an isolated geneotype you will have variance with your mushrooms sizes. Multispore genetics will generally produce varying mushrooms. Even a spore print is multispore and will produce a wide variety of genetics.

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Mushrooms drop billions of spores, so there are billions of possible pairings in every sporeprint.  All you need to do is follow a regimen of strain isolation on agar, then fruit out a few dozen strains to find the best producer.  After that, simply store mycelium on a slant in the refrigerator and remove to start cultures when needed.
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RR advises to move to Agar with your prints so you can start isolating a genotype; as, even with a print from one mushroom you have a vast amount of genetic diversity.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: leech911]
    #23686614 - 09/28/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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1st monotub seems to be ready soon. There is about 70+ shrooms that has short but fat stems, small caps. Also there is 8 normal shrooms that are to be open in 2 days. What this could mean? Why there is so much those fatties?

2nd monotub has fruited but very unevenly. It looks much healthier though than the 1st one!

EDIT:
It must be cause of some bacteria.




Unless you are working with a cloned sample or an isolated geneotype you will have variance with your mushrooms sizes. Multispore genetics will generally produce varying mushrooms. Even a spore print is multispore and will produce a wide variety of genetics.

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Mushrooms drop billions of spores, so there are billions of possible pairings in every sporeprint.  All you need to do is follow a regimen of strain isolation on agar, then fruit out a few dozen strains to find the best producer.  After that, simply store mycelium on a slant in the refrigerator and remove to start cultures when needed.
RR




RR advises to move to Agar with your prints so you can start isolating a genotype; as, even with a print from one mushroom you have a vast amount of genetic diversity.




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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23693054 - 09/30/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

1st monotub is ready tomorrow. Shrooms are looking good, just so many aborts! Those fatties that i told you are aborting but there's 1 so big shroom that i haven't seen in a while. About 7g dry i think.

2nd monotub is producing much healthier shrooms. Maybe it did affect when i lifted the substrate up to the level of bottom holes right away when i moved it to fruiting stage. I lifted the 1st monotub subsrate at day 15 to bottom hole level and it took almost a month to finish the 1st flush.


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub (pic from BOSS shroom) [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23709623 - 10/05/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I just did harvest the 1st monotub and wow. It did, and didn't disappoint me.
The fatties were aborts, but the rest that grew mature grew HUGE! 11,7 grams was the biggest from monotub 1!

The 2nd monotub is soon ready, and guess what? It has even BIGGER BOSS SHROOM in it!

The bottom holes didn't matter i see, cause those 2 monotubs produced the same kind of shrooms although it was a multispore grow.

One thing im curious, i cant seem to get prints from monotub shrooms. Looks like that spores stick's to the gills cause of the moisture.

EDIT: Added pic


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: Muchograndesenior]
    #23709717 - 10/05/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Let the caps open more before trying to print


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Re: Importance of bottom holes being at substrate level in monotub [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23709726 - 10/05/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Let the caps open more before trying to print



I'll do that on monotub 2. They really have to open wide then. I tried to take prints from caps that were almost at horizontal position, but not quite yet.

EDIT: vertical to horizontal !!!!


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