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OfflineSpecialEd
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The life of a Rabbit
    #2364881 - 02/21/04 07:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The life of a rabbit is brief. It is born into a world it does not understand and into conditions that it did not request. Fear and hunger dictate it's actions. Deep inside, the rabbit always knows that the wolf is on the prowl.

If it is successful, it will survive long enough to successfully mate. Eventually, the rabbit will be hunted down. It will not complain for that is its dharma. Ultimately, the rabbit can never understand what is happening to him.


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2364930 - 02/21/04 08:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Indeed.

Think! What makes us so different from the rabbit?

On a macroscopic level, we are born into a world we know little about. We only know our tiny microcosm called this planet earth, and on an even smaller scale, our communities. As denizens, we do not even completely understand the world we live in, let alone the universe we reside. What dictates our actions? Hunger for food, love, and desires. Fear of failing. Deep inside, we know that we may fall victim to chance or circumstance, both members of fate. We know that "[fate] is on the prowl."

If we are successful, we will survive to enlighten ourselves and create some sort of developed illusion of this world in which we interpret as "success." Eventually, we will be killed by disease, accidents, or time. We may leave it to dharma, but how much can we really understand about dharma? Ultimately, we are as confused and deluded as the rabbit. :beer:


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: daba]
    #2364951 - 02/21/04 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

According to some people we aren't animals :shake:


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: daba]
    #2364957 - 02/21/04 08:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, but we have one distinct advantage to a rabbit: (global) communication to share insights with members of the same species.


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2365187 - 02/21/04 09:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

the life of a rabbit is fine. its is born into a world that it is perfectly adapted to from miliions of year of evolution and into conditions that rabbits survived in for generations. instinct dictate its actions. deep inside the rabbit only lives moment to moment, cautious but free.

If it is successful, it will survive long enough to successfully mate. Eventually, the rabbit will be hunted down, thus feeding the hungry wolf, that survives and feeds its pups. It will not complain for its lived a relatively good life. Ultimately, the rabbit can never understand what is happening to him, because there is no need to understand ones lot in life when your a rabbit, you just live.


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: daba]
    #2365191 - 02/21/04 09:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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On a macroscopic level, we are born into a world we know little about. We only know our tiny microcosm called this planet earth, and on an even smaller scale, our communities. As denizens, we do not even completely understand the world we live in, let alone the universe we reside. What dictates our actions? Hunger for food, love, and desires. Fear of failing. Deep inside, we know that we may fall victim to chance or circumstance, both members of fate. We know that "[fate] is on the prowl."

If we are successful, we will survive to enlighten ourselves and create some sort of developed illusion of this world in which we interpret as "success." Eventually, we will be killed by disease, accidents, or time. We may leave it to dharma, but how much can we really understand about dharma? Ultimately, we are as confused and deluded as the rabbit. :beer:




Nope.  I disagree.  Maybe some of us actually do become enlightened.  Maybe some of us actually do lose the fear.  Maybe not all of us are motivated by survival.  I don't believe in fate.  "I am the captain of my ship."  Who said that?

I know (almost) exactly what is going on, and I have no fear.

(My, don't I sound cocky tonight.)


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2365294 - 02/21/04 09:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

We also have one huge diffrence. Literacy. Our ability to read and write information is why we know so much. Because of the knowledge and ideas that our previous generation leave, we are able to improve technologocly and even spritual. Also the long life-span of a human also has alot to do with the stuff we are able to do. However our actions are dictated by our fear and chemical needs. And by fear i dont mean that living things are a bunch of wussies, i mean that we dont touch electricity because we dont want to get shocked. We dont eat 50 pounds of pork and sniff an ounce of cocaine a day because we dont want a heart attack. And no matter how fun it sounds we dont jump off 50 story buildings because we dont want to get hurt. On the same note, we do things that will keep us alive and that will satisfy our chemical needs, wether its sex, eating or sleeping.


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: Frog]
    #2365359 - 02/21/04 10:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Nope. I disagree. Maybe some of us actually do become enlightened. Maybe some of us actually do lose the fear. Maybe not all of us are motivated by survival. I don't believe in fate. "I am the captain of my ship." Who said that?

I know (almost) exactly what is going on, and I have no fear."


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: Squatting_Otter]
    #2365648 - 02/21/04 11:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I'm feeling invincible today.  :grin:


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: Frog]
    #2366286 - 02/22/04 01:44 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Come now. We may have many advantages and advances over a rabbit, but it certainly is not enough to comprehend what we desire to comprehend. After all, time consumes us. In a large enough scale, we have done the same as the rabbit, as well as everything else on this rock: conception, birth, reproduction, and death. Repeat.


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: daba]
    #2366298 - 02/22/04 01:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

However, simply because we experience the same cycle of life as a rabbit doesn't mean that the rabbit has the same advantages as we do.

I don't think it's possible to understand everything about "life" and why we are here, etc., but I think it's possible to come close. A rabbit cannot understand why he is here, or what a gift "life" is.


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: Frog]
    #2366318 - 02/22/04 01:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps a rabbit cannot know the reason why he is here (neither do we). But how do we know that?


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: daba]
    #2366361 - 02/22/04 02:02 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I am not good at the philosophical word game of pretending that we don't really exist, or maybe this isn't really reality, but I'll play along.

Mr Mushrooms and someone had a good conversation on whether humans and animals have the same consciousness a short while back. In the morning I will find the thread, because I can't argue it as well as MM did.

But I am pretty sure I know why I am here. But my belief in my knowledge that I know why I am here is based on my belief in God. Also, it is supported by things that happen in my life, which I believe Swami calls coincidences, but which to me is evidence of why I am here, and evidence that there exists someone greater than us.


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: daba]
    #2367166 - 02/22/04 09:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Come now. We may have many advantages and advances over a rabbit, but it certainly is not enough to comprehend what we desire to comprehend. After all, time consumes us. In a large enough scale, we have done the same as the rabbit, as well as everything else on this rock: conception, birth, reproduction, and death. Repeat.




The difference between us and the rabbit is obviously our ability to conceptualize, to form ideas and to have them spread.

What kind of difference is that? Well, we have been able to evolve and change the way in which we live. Obviously, we still are born, we reproduce, and we die. But limiting it to only that and deciding there isn't anymore signifigance sort of ignores an entire ocean of insight and discovery.

What is the rabbit conscious of? It appears as if it, while it may or may not be aware, can experience the moment. However, while this moment can be experienced, every action of the rabbit is dictated by a program of automatic instincts. The rabbit, apparently, is just a computer running commands.

What is the difference between us and them? We are operators of our own computer. We can program ourselves and change whatever programming we deem necessary to alter. The rabbit plays a part in the Universe and probably has a limited awareness, but how much can he truly comprehend? They live in the now, experience each moment as it is, but they do not knowing live in the now. They don't comprehend much other than their programmed actions and what their inputs tell them. They are a light being filtered through an unconcious prism.  :grin:

We are still pretty close to that. One step ahead, really. The only difference is that we have the power to continue increasing our awareness and our understanding, it is a choice we have to accept.

A rabbit is just an entity acting out a play, totally unaware that he is merely acting. All he knows is his part. Us, however, we have the power of conceputalization. We are still bound to the cycle of living and dying, we are still acting out the play and everything, but our mind clearly shows us that there is something more, that this is just a play....

We once were the rabbit. We are obviously heading away from the perspective of a rabbit. I've never heard a group of rabbits create death metal music heavily tinged with an Egyptian feel before. :lol:
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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2368094 - 02/22/04 03:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was going to go look for Mr Mushrooms' thread on this topic, but you explained it pretty well.  :smile:


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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2368462 - 02/22/04 05:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: Frog]
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Re: The life of a Rabbit [Re: Frog]
    #2370893 - 02/23/04 07:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hehe, thanks for posting that! :thumbup:
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