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Lead this horse to water
    #23648047 - 09/15/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys, I have quick question.

I have 2 12x12x2.5" trays of gt spawned 1:1 in hpoo/straw from a vendor here in a spec sgfc with about 5 1/2" of perlite. I put into fruiting 4 days ago. Growth seems to have stopped and I seem to have no evaporation on the dew like spiderweb myc. There do seem to be small dots of thicker white myc, I don't think they are knots though. Rh fluctuates between 75 and 90 temp between 75 and 79.

Is there anything I can do to get better evap on the sub surface?
I read somewhere amongst the sea of info here where RR said to make sure my perlite wasn't packed and did so. Unfortunately my perlite is a mix of small medium and large so clogging is an issue.
Cron also stated in a post that casing helps trays. He said "casings are great for trays, they give you the perfect humidity on the surface of you sub in a sgfc:thumbup:"
Should I sterilize some verm(fine grade is all I have) and case/mist in the sgfc? Or should I grow some wax paper on them in the sgfc?

I had a bunch of colonized qt jars, 2  GT went into the trays in the sgfc,5 TC's went into a mono using damion5050 bucket tek( a little on the dry side still colonizing, spawned on 9/7 ), 1 went into a super mini mono/dub tub and 1 very slow colonizing GT with super rhizo myc that turned kind of rubbery thick went into some manure outside in the shade. I figured since most colonized or were done colonizing at differ by times I do different shit...... Something should work lol. I'll post some pics when I get back from my daughters wing chun jeet kune do class.

Thanks in advance. I have searched like mad to find proper info, deciphering what fits my situation had been difficult at times and I appreciate any and all that take time to give advice.

*Ok Updated

my hpoo/coir trays have produced fruits. not what i was expecting since my super mini dub is doing so well, but I'll take it.
surface is still FUBAR. its dry, and bruised like hell, not wet and no amount of misting is gonna fix it. We will have to wait for 2nd flush after a dunk. they are growing sooooooo slow.but they look healthy, no fuzz feet. i just dont think they like the sgfc environment.


* the super mini is the same mix hpoo/coir/ GT spawn


* and this is what i found from the spawn i tossed outside with some straight hpoo


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648085 - 09/15/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What is the question exactly?

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Is there anything I can do to get better evap on the sub surface?



I presume this?

Mist and let it evaporate?  You won't be able to do much in a properly dialed SGFC for a substrate that wasn't cased.  So just mist more.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648096 - 09/15/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

4 days isn't very long at all. Assuming your sub is clean just give it more time.
From what you are describing sounds like knotting.

If you are using a SGFC you have to mist when needed. Dont drown it, but if your tray looks dry give ita mist. I think you are maybe thinking of a monotub where misting isn't needed.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: mushpunx]
    #23648141 - 09/15/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The sub is still glistening with moisture from this mornings mist at 7am. I'm using and ultra fine mister so the droplets are minuscule but cover 99% of the sub.

There were 3 questions actually.
How to increase evap at the sub surface
If I could use some sterized verm in an extremely light layer or if wax paper in the same way as the verm would be as a light casing.

Thanks for your help and patience.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648174 - 09/15/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The sub is still glistening with moisture from this mornings mist at 7am. I'm using and ultra fine mister so the droplets are minuscule but cover 99% of the sub.

There were 3 questions actually.
How to increase evap at the sub surface
If I could use some sterized verm in an extremely light layer or if wax paper in the same way as the verm would be as a light casing.

Thanks for your help and patience.





The only way to increase evaporation would be to increase FAE, which you cant really do in a SGFC short of leaving the lid open. Its built to spec? 1/4" holes in 2" x 2" grid on all Six sides, 5" damp perlite, raised off the surface at the corners?

I wouldnt case at this point. Thats called late casing, but your tray has been in fruiting a while I wouldnt do it.
I wouldnt bother with wax paper either.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: mushpunx]
    #23648292 - 09/15/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, yeah I'm not gonna leave the lid off. Not with 3 dogs and my terrible cleaning habits, although i have been super anal about keeping my grow area clean and as sterile as possible.
Yes, the tub is to spec 1/4" 2x2, all 6, and 5" maybe 1/4 to half inch more and raised off the surface with a wire cooling tray and lids on top to support the trays.

I did tape the bottom row of holes because the perlite comes over the top of the holes and the convection comes from the bottom. should i remove the tape? I know knots and pins take a while, I wasn't expecting them in 4 days.

Got it, no late case,FAE is my problem area causing slow evap. I think I may have it too close to a wall although I know I'm at least 6-12" away. I'm posting pics. Any input and/or criticism is appreciated.






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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648308 - 09/15/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea get that tape off.

You cant sterilize your growing area, you can relax a bit on that. Clean is good but if your tray contaminate a it'll be because the spawn was already contaminated not from the environment.

I think your tray is fine. Just mist when it needs it and let it do its thing


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648330 - 09/15/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

SWEET! thanks mushpunx! thanks inocuole!

crap, i almost forgot. i have one other tray fruiting that i did a super mini mono/ dub tub monstrosity lol. how does it look?




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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: mushpunx]
    #23648354 - 09/15/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea get that tape off.

You cant sterilize your growing area, you can relax a bit on that. Clean is good but if your tray contaminate a it'll be because the spawn was already contaminated not from the environment.

I think your tray is fine. Just mist when it needs it and let it do its thing




This many times over.  As long as your subtrate surface moisture (you know, the little beads after a fine mist) evaporates clean before needing another misting about every 12 hours or so, that is about perfect.  If it takes a little longer or a little shorter, that's okay too.  Just adjusting your mist/fan schedule accordingly or do what was previously suggested, leave the lid off or cracked a few hours a day and let it be.  The pins will come.  don't worry so much about contamination.  If it's gonna contaminate, it's because it was already contaminated.  Fresh air is only going to ward off contamination, not excelerate it.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648359 - 09/15/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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SWEET! thanks mushpunx! thanks inocuole!

crap, i almost forgot. i have one other tray fruiting that i did a super mini mono/ dub tub monstrosity lol. how does it look?







For the best FAE, design your mono with four holes on the sides near the substrate, and two on top on the ends.  Otherwise it looks just fine.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: Mushierage]
    #23648373 - 09/15/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For one that small, 2 and 2 is fine.  I only use 4 long-side holes for particularly large tubs.  I have ONE mini tub with a 6 hole config and I never use it because it's a pain in the ass to dial in.  May as well put a cat toy in there and let my cat play with it through the holes.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: Mushierage]
    #23648386 - 09/15/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks mushierage, I can't tell you how many billion posts I've read that say mist/fan 2,3-5, every hour a day. I think I've looked into all that a bit much. Being my first grow before I try edibles, I wasn't exactly sure how to read the myc( still not exactly sure because I think I've been lucky up to this point). Now thanks to you guys I have a better understanding of what to look for and how to do it.

I actually want to have a few failures at some point (not this grow lol) so my knowledge would increase.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648398 - 09/15/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As long as that doesn't entail purposefully making easily avoidable mistakes just to say you learned, can't stress enough how annoying that type of thinking can get around here.  Fuck up if you can't help it, sure, but always do things as well as you possibly can.


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    #23648412 - 09/15/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks inocuole, that was my deductive reasoning for the 4 holes in total because of the small size. The full size mono next to it has 2 low on each long side and 1 high on each short. But that's still in the taped phase. Probably till next week or so.

My jack Russel would have a shit fit if I put a toy in that mini, he would probably eat it to get the toy out lol


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: Inocuole]
    #23648419 - 09/15/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And by avoiding failure, we mean if you post something and the majority of us say to do it and you ignore it, that's not learning.  That's pride.  And ignorance.  And just... Dumb.  It doesn't go over well here, so just listen to your TCs and vets, avoid the avoidable mistakes, and READ a LOT.  You will become an awesome member to the community here if you do all that.


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648444 - 09/15/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty good at repeating procedure to a T. I'm a tactical learner, anything I can do with my hands, I don't easily forget. That's why I skipped brf cakes. I'd learn more this way.

I found this out with my 1st mustang. I knew nothing, I read, tore the motor down to the bearings and put it back together. A year later I was driving around in a 600 hp street beast lol

No, you guys that are here helping are the ones who know what your doing.... I am a meat popsicle. I have no pride, my wife made sure of that lol. All jokes aside, I'm the new fish, you guys say jump, I ask how high.

Again I can't thank you all enough, your advice has already been taken and  implemented. Tape is off the bottom row and I think I'll actually be able to sleep tonight :thumbup:


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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648459 - 09/15/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm pretty good at repeating procedure to a T. I'm a tactical learner, anything I can do with my hands, I don't easily forget. That's why I skipped brf cakes. I'd learn more this way.

I found this out with my 1st mustang. I knew nothing, I read, tore the motor down to the bearings and put it back together. A year later I was driving around in a 600 hp street beast lol

No, you guys that are here helping are the ones who know what your doing.... I am a meat popsicle. I have no pride, my wife made sure of that lol. All jokes aside, I'm the new fish, you guys say jump, I ask how high.

Again I can't thank you all enough, your advice has already been taken and  implemented. Tape is off the bottom row and I think I'll actually be able to sleep tonight :thumbup:




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Re: Lead this horse to water [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23648464 - 09/15/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good, glad you are getting the hang of it.  It gets a lot easier with time and experience just like anything.  Before you know it, you'll be bitching about newbies refusing to listen to your sound advice with the looks of it.  You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, so with that, Welcome Brother!  Have fun


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    #23648497 - 09/15/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23652607 - 09/17/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A little update on the trays in the sgfc. They seem to have a film that has a glossy sheen to it.
When I touched the top layer it was weird, kind of like if the myc had a layer of Saran Wrap on it.

Also there are a few bluish dots which seem to be under this "film". Most are where the myc is denser. I'm hoping its aborted hyp knots. They have also shrunk considerably, almost 3/8ths of an inch on all 4 sides. I just misted heavily but I'll get a pic or 2 up in a few.

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