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Dream Recording for a DMT trip.
    #23642909 - 09/13/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As science progresses, we have began to record people's dreams. Hooked up to an E.E.G, and then going into an MRI scan, scientists can record your dreams and play them back to you.

How does in work? You are shown images, your brain fires off certain receptors that relate to that image, and then using an algorithm, pictures are pulled from every surface of the internet to pull a image that most closely relates to what you're thinking.

My thought is, how awesome would it be to use this new technology along with a DMT journey. When you snap out of it, maybe you would have the most accurate description of what your journey was...What do you guys think?

The technology started advancing in 2013, so I can only imagine the leaps that we have made with it.


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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
    #23644718 - 09/14/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Must be alone on this one. I think it sounds like a very good idea. Oh well.

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
    #23644742 - 09/14/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's interesting. Being able to capture dreams/the psychedelic experience in a video is mind-blowing.

What about someday being able to use technology to produce a hallucinogenic state? Instead of ingesting a drug, just put on a VR headset and trip like one normally would under the influence of intoxicants.


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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: Shroomyhead]
    #23644834 - 09/14/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think it would just require a frequency to get us in to a psychedelic state....a certain frequency humming/buzzing sound coming either from a good ear piece, or the new head phones that vibrate your skull in order to hear music...no sound actually comes from them!

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
    #23644973 - 09/14/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The frequency humming/buzzing idea kind of sounds like binaural beats or i-dosers. I haven't heard of those new headphones, does it actually sound like music?


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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: Shroomyhead]
    #23645133 - 09/14/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I guess so. But there is a universal frequency that everybody puts out. I guess 936 hz is the frequency that activates the pineal gland, so I'm guessing that would have something to do with it. But I would think that you need to do more than just "hear" the frequency. Maybe with these headphones I was talking about. You wouldn't only hear the frequency, but your bones and head would vibrate with the frequency. It is highly speculated that at the right frequency, your pineal gland breaks up all the calium build up. The vibrations de-calcify your pineal gland. Thoughts?

http://www.audioboneheadphones.com/how-it-works/

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
    #23645375 - 09/14/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You (and the chuckle-head in the video) are grossly over-estimating the ability of today's technology.  An fMRI, alone or in conjunction with an EEG (and any and all other brain wave surveillance modalities) will tell you NOTHING about the actual imagery in the human brain.  The video completely mis-characterizes and exaggerates what can actually be accomplished.

Only the gullible (and there's plenty of folks out there) will believe the information presented in that video.  It's like the presidential candidates...lots of uncorroborated statements with NO factual content or references to legitimate sources.

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23645401 - 09/14/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Their not just recording and automatically see what they are thinking. They are shown tons of images and make you listen to a vast amount of words, along with visualizing what you are thinking about while you are hooked up to something. They measure what your brain waves are when you see or hear something to establish a baseline. Once there is a good enough baseline (or so they think), they will try to record a dream. They are only 60 percent accurate though. Like obviously it would be hard to do this for every single image and every single word, but they try to get as close to it as possible. I don't think it's too far fetched. I don't think it is as advanced as recording something with your video camera of course, but I don't see it unimaginable to comprise some sort of composite of a dream.

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
    #23646546 - 09/15/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Their not just recording and automatically see what they are thinking.




Yes, I get that.  It still amounts to nothing close to what is being claimed in the video.  Period.  End of story.  fMRI cannot do anything close to what is being asserted in this video.  The brains of individuals are FAR too varied in the locus of where imagery is stored and the functional group pathways associated with specific objects, thoughts and emotions to make this technologic result possible.  Just the simple existence of right and left handed people and the major differences caused by age and sex make this an impossibility.

You need to apply far more critical thinking and stop just believing everything you see on YouBoob.  It's no substitute for personal investigation and verification, or an education sufficient to distinguish between "their" and "they're" (they are).  Jesus.  :facepalm:

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23647198 - 09/15/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I spotted that when I just checked up on this. Oh well, too late to turn back now. I don't think I am over estimating technology. I do think you are under estimating. As I have already stated, obviously it isn't an insanely accurate depiction, but it's still a step in the right direction. An obviously this IS being experimented with because I have watched news reports about it. You're just being close minded. I think there is still a long ways to go, but it is happening. Obviously I think they need to do it on an individual level instead of a group setting. Everybody will create their own interpretations in their heads.

You contribute absolutely nothing to this conversation. If you don't like the idea or discussion, then just don't play along...it's that simple. It would absolutely be possible to make simulated videos based off the way of thinking per individual. You show somebody an image, they view the image, you get a reading of how they perceive that image,  you make a compilation of the perceived images for that individual.

No hard feelings man, you're just being a dick.

Let's just say for a second that it is absolutely impossible. I'm not trying to argue the validity of the technology (at first anyways). I'm trying to suggest that the IDEA of being able to use this technology (or similar future technology) to record a DMT trip would be awesome. We bring back such a small percentage of our journey. On top of that, it is extremely difficult to put our journey into words in order to describe it to others.

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
    #23648056 - 09/15/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to help you be more critical in your thinking and suggest to you that next time it would be a good practice to verify information that you post from a more reliable academic source before offering up a youtube video of pseudoscience as if it were legitimate scientific fact.  Just the source alone should give you pause.  There's a reason it's referred to as "Youboob!"

Look...we've mapped the human genome.  Some amazing strides are being made in computer science, medicine and so many other fields.  People are aware of this and love to hear about these spectacular innovations.  The caveat being: if you are going to come forward (and that would be great!) with something that catches your imagination that you want to share it...do so!  But when something seems too fantastic to be true (as in this case) it would behoove you to fact check - or risk get called out on it.

Disinformation = a disservice.  Just sayin'.

Luv ya, brother.  :hug:

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23648151 - 09/15/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just because something is on youtube doesn't mean it's pseudoscience. There are many many things on YouTube; most things actually.


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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23648210 - 09/15/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

BTW OP, I read about this years ago and have been waiting for the technology to develop for this very reason. Finding reference pictures on the Internet isn't going to get anywhere close to a real trip though, so it will be quite a few years until we get anything really useful, as you already know.
Closed minded people can't envision the future. It reminds me of when Karl Pilkington came up with the idea for augmented reality about 15 years ago and Ricky Gervais made a fool of himself (as usual) by telling Karl how fucking stupid he is and that it is IMPOSSIBLE. I can't stand Ricky Gervais! He's one of those factoid-repeating members of Scientism, but has no mind of his own.


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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23648301 - 09/15/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah. I was trying to think of what images you could show somebody to establish a baseline before dosing. You would have to have a pretty large, crazy, elaborate, bright, mathematic, etc. arsenal of images...it's unexplainable. Because of it being hard to explain, it would be hard to figure out how to show something to establish something to work off of.

I read an article here on the shroomery that 2 guys that seemed VERY intelligent were trying to capture a trip through certain recording devices. Idk how they explained it, but they wanted to capture the energy, the things that we see under the influence. The thought that either that stuff is always there and we are able to see it when we are tripping, or when we trip, we manifest something into our reality. Pretty interesting stuff. I think they might have commented on a post I made actually. I'm gonna go look for it.

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Re: Dream Recording for a DMT trip. [Re: just_curious]
    #23648311 - 09/15/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's somewhere here in this thread I made 2 years ago. It sparked up a lot of good discussions and theories.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20847752/page/7/fpart/1

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