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lovuasca
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Should I quit psychedelics?
#23647126 - 09/15/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey,
I'm having trouble dealing with some flashbacks lately. Actually, it's been almost a week now and have been getting flashbacks almost everyday. Sometimes I only get some visuals when I wake up. Other times I'm having flashbacks while I'm supposedly sleeping, or trying to fall asleep. I feel I can easily stop the flashbacks when I don't feel like having them most of the times, but two times I did felt derealized for an hour or so after the flashback. Moreover, when the flashback stops, I'm not sleeping so it causes me to wake up in the night a few times sometimes. Some of these flashbacks are just me reliving a part of the trip and are frightening at times as well. So yeah, it is quite a pain in the ass because I don't get a lot of good sleep. Moreover, I tend to feel very spacey during the day at times, especially after having eaten (not always luckely). Now, I've been trying to live more healthy in the hope that this might heal itself more quick. I've also gotten myself into some alternative healing methods (again).
I believe this all has been due to a trip I had that was just waaay to intense. It has been alsmost three weeks that I'd took something before that, so I don't think I tripped too often. What do you guys think? Is it a good idea to quit psychedelics forever? I mean, I'm going to have to miss out on a lot of divine teachings. Is that smart? I mean, I'm feeling like it is getting easier to deal with the flashbacks and they are starting to get less intrusive. So I'm pretty sure they'll fade, even though they're messing me up pretty bad somethimes. Anyway, do you think it would still be possible for this to happen again if I were to try a heroic dose after all flashbacks have faded anyway?
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: lovuasca]
#23647196 - 09/15/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you're young you should be more careful with psychedelics. either way, don't quit them for ever, make a big break if necessary.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: hobowizard]
#23647352 - 09/15/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depends what you mean by psychedelics because it's quite a broad term. I wouldn't recommend anyone take LSD at all but I feel that mushroom eating should be encouraged globally. One is a synthetic accident and the other is a messenger from Earth/God. I've never had flashbacks from any natural substances.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Psilocypher]
#23647542 - 09/15/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try 6 drops or so of Lemon EO a day for a bit, helped to ground me after quite the journey with Aya. Xanax could potentially work too, but before you go the benzo route try the Lemon EO. Another thing i've noticed is taking Peganum Harmala seed without DMT has also helped me get more back to normalcy.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Psilocypher] 1
#23647691 - 09/15/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocypher said: Depends what you mean by psychedelics because it's quite a broad term. I wouldn't recommend anyone take LSD at all but I feel that mushroom eating should be encouraged globally. One is a synthetic accident and the other is a messenger from Earth/God. I've never had flashbacks from any natural substances.
That's interresting. I keep it with natural psychedelics also. The trip I'm talking about after which the flashbacks started are from ayahuasca though.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Sabnock]
#23647717 - 09/15/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: Try 6 drops or so of Lemon EO a day for a bit, helped to ground me after quite the journey with Aya. Xanax could potentially work too, but before you go the benzo route try the Lemon EO. Another thing i've noticed is taking Peganum Harmala seed without DMT has also helped me get more back to normalcy.
I will try the lemon advice. Thanks. Xanax, well... I kind of swore off 'habit-forming' substances. But it seems to me that people abusing Xanax supposedly have a harder time quitting that stuff than heroin addicts. But that's just stuff I find on the internet. Anyway, if other things don't work, I'll definately try the Harmala seeds as well. Thank you very much!
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: lovuasca]
#23647978 - 09/15/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can't form a habit by taking 1 xanax to bring you out of a bad mindset. "Forever" always comes down to today. Just don't do them today if you still feel the same way about them. Eventually this feeling will fade. Good luck friend.
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if you're asking the question, the answer is probably "yes" at least for a little while.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: LuzaW]
#23648267 - 09/15/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree, if it affects you in such ways with the flashbacks and possibly HPPD, it'd be a good idea to have a break from them. wait until the flashbacks are over, and don't get to overwhelmed by them, it might be a little scary but it's not a terribly bad side effect.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: LuzaW]
#23648271 - 09/15/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't need to quit, just take a break until you are mentally healthy again and treat them with the respect they deserve next time if there ever is one. I developed PTSD from a trip to a particular person, eventually went away.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23648277 - 09/15/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: You don't need to quit, just take a break until you are mentally healthy again and treat them with the respect they deserve next time if there ever is one. I developed PTSD from a trip to a particular person, eventually went away.
PTSD? that would have been a bad experience.
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Yeah, I was on my strongest dose of mushrooms lemon tekked and one of my buddies started having a bad trip, and Iwas inexperienced, I had no clue what was going on, time was standing still. Eventually he ended up chasing us down a mountain we hiked letting out murderous grizzly bear roars, every time I saw him after that for about a year, it would give me crippling anxiety and send me into panic,right back into the trip, eventually I worked through it by talking to him.
The trip itself I convinced myself I was dead and was re-watching the experience or re-living the experience of how I was killed by this man. Time was moving backwards at one point, so that further convinced me and everyone was so small like gnomes and dwarfs, my foot steps felt like I could never get anywhere, running from a living nightmare
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And also it's your decision if you'd like to quit them forever, there are more ways to obtain altered states of consciousness then psychedelics, but I digress, they are spectacular things. So as I said it's your mind, your choice.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23648293 - 09/15/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Yeah, I was on my strongest dose of mushrooms lemon tekked and one of my buddies started having a bad trip, and Iwas inexperienced, I had no clue what was going on, time was standing still. Eventually he ended up chasing us down a mountain we hiked letting out murderous grizzly bear roars, every time I saw him after that for about a year, it would give me crippling anxiety and send me into panic,right back into the trip, eventually I worked through it by talking to him.
That was a bad thing for him to do, you all good now though?
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Completely 100% fine, it only triggered to that specific person, but was definitely PTSD. He said he was mentally breaking down, forever that roar will remain in my head though, I can hear it now as I type this
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23648316 - 09/15/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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jesus, I remember my first shroom trip, my ex was with me at the time (at her house), I was just chilling on her couch soaking in all the good vibes coming my way, and she started to get all kinky with me. So here we are just having a makeout session, and all of a sudden her head turned into a fractal looking apparition, scared the absolute shit out of me, so for the whole night she was creeping me the fuck out haha.
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Lmao man. Yeah this trip was also the best trip of my life, can't have heaven without a little bit of hell it showed me. It was the worse agonizing terror I've ever experienced, even worse than my bad DMT trip - I literally thought I was already dead just waiting for him to catch up to me and kill me so I can re experience how I died.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Eclipse3130] 1
#23648333 - 09/15/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is that voice inside you that tells you when you are ready to do them again. You will know when you want to do them again! It's almost as if it's a craving but it's not. That's just what happens to me
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Shumbieking]
#23648346 - 09/15/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always become very excited and calm when I'm about to use something, it's like my body knows whats coming.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Shumbieking]
#23648567 - 09/15/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shumbieking said: There is that voice inside you that tells you when you are ready to do them again. You will know when you want to do them again! It's almost as if it's a craving but it's not. That's just what happens to me
this is spot on for me as well. i went 30+ years before tripping again. did not have a bad experience, just didn't want to do it for that long.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: lovuasca]
#23648687 - 09/15/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't had psychs in a minute, and I was laying down early and seeing all sorts of patterns in the ceiling, goddam those heavy doses in the past.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Lucis]
#23649571 - 09/16/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess I might get back into it at some point. I guess I got scared too much. I mean, it is not really fun to relive frightening parts of the trip and worrying about whether I'm human or not in the middle of the night. I was also a little worried I might have 'tattood' my brain or something. I would definately use a lot more respect when handling these substances again.
Anyway, last night was the second night that I could sleep without issues. I slept the best I've ever done in my life, or so it felt like.  I'm in a awesome mood today. It feels like I've been reborn actually. Possibly because I talked to a homeopath yesterday (that didn't think psychedeliccs were very healthy, but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion). But I feel that it must be the effects of the trip as well. Maybe last trip has done something positive for me after all. It just wasn't really in the sense that it normally would for me.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: hobowizard]
#23665908 - 09/21/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had the same issue with flashbacks about 3 years ago or so. Are you sure that you don't have HPPD, as that is what i had for quiet some time. Not sure if you would distinguish the two separately between HPPD and flashbacks but I am. Theres good news for you possibly though! I could almost control my flashbacks, if i wanted the floor to move i just had to relax my mind and it'd start moving like i was on acid, aswell id have a few flachbacks that i wasnt prepared for one when i was driving where i saw a building pinch in and out super fast. But luckily after about 6-8 months my HPPD was 95% gone. After about a year i was completely back to normal. However, i cut out psychadelics completely after i got it for about a year or so. I continued to use weed for about 4 months after getting hppd, but found that it wasnt helping my situation at all and cut them out. Fast forward a year and a half and im back to trippin! have no hppd effects anymore at all. So my advice would be to cut any psychedelics substances out until you feel normal and about 3-4 months after you feel normal you could start up again. Best of luck to you! Remember you only get one brain so preserve it as long as you can! Tripping just cause you want to isnt an excuse to destroy yourself. Your future self will greatly thank you!
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grizzlyadams said: I had the same issue with flashbacks about 3 years ago or so. Are you sure that you don't have HPPD, as that is what i had for quiet some time. Not sure if you would distinguish the two separately between HPPD and flashbacks but I am. Theres good news for you possibly though! I could almost control my flashbacks, if i wanted the floor to move i just had to relax my mind and it'd start moving like i was on acid, aswell id have a few flachbacks that i wasnt prepared for one when i was driving where i saw a building pinch in and out super fast. But luckily after about 6-8 months my HPPD was 95% gone. After about a year i was completely back to normal. However, i cut out psychadelics completely after i got it for about a year or so. I continued to use weed for about 4 months after getting hppd, but found that it wasnt helping my situation at all and cut them out. Fast forward a year and a half and im back to trippin! have no hppd effects anymore at all. So my advice would be to cut any psychedelics substances out until you feel normal and about 3-4 months after you feel normal you could start up again. Best of luck to you! Remember you only get one brain so preserve it as long as you can! Tripping just cause you want to isnt an excuse to destroy yourself. Your future self will greatly thank you!
Thanks. I'm quite sure it isn't HPPD because it isn't something that happens to me in a continuous matter. The flashback usually occurs to me during my sleep, it only is temporary and when it stops I wake up and try to fall asleep again. They are definitely temporary. Luckily they are happening to me less and less. Last few days though I started thinking about tripping and they flashbacks came back. Interestingly enough they usually happen to me if I've been thinking about tripping or have been browsing on this forum before going to sleep. 
Anyway, do you know what you did to acquire your HPPD situation? Six months is a long time, I've been having the flashbacks for a month now but they are not nearly as disruptive anymore. I'm just wondering what I should do to avoid these issues next time, although I'm guessing it's as simple as not taking too much too often.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: lovuasca]
#23704077 - 10/03/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lovuasca said: Hey,
I'm having trouble dealing with some flashbacks lately. Actually, it's been almost a week now and have been getting flashbacks almost everyday. Sometimes I only get some visuals when I wake up. Other times I'm having flashbacks while I'm supposedly sleeping, or trying to fall asleep. I feel I can easily stop the flashbacks when I don't feel like having them most of the times, but two times I did felt derealized for an hour or so after the flashback. Moreover, when the flashback stops, I'm not sleeping so it causes me to wake up in the night a few times sometimes. Some of these flashbacks are just me reliving a part of the trip and are frightening at times as well. So yeah, it is quite a pain in the ass because I don't get a lot of good sleep. Moreover, I tend to feel very spacey during the day at times, especially after having eaten (not always luckely). Now, I've been trying to live more healthy in the hope that this might heal itself more quick. I've also gotten myself into some alternative healing methods (again).
I believe this all has been due to a trip I had that was just waaay to intense. It has been alsmost three weeks that I'd took something before that, so I don't think I tripped too often. What do you guys think? Is it a good idea to quit psychedelics forever? I mean, I'm going to have to miss out on a lot of divine teachings. Is that smart? I mean, I'm feeling like it is getting easier to deal with the flashbacks and they are starting to get less intrusive. So I'm pretty sure they'll fade, even though they're messing me up pretty bad somethimes. Anyway, do you think it would still be possible for this to happen again if I were to try a heroic dose after all flashbacks have faded anyway?
I've found that it's not about heroic doses.
Long terms side effects (flashbacks) tend to be a consequence of long term, frequent use.
I experience at least 2-3 flashbacks during the supposed Alpha state of sleep / half sleep and I hallucinate changes in paintings in the room, feel prescence in the room and I. I usually see circular energy around light fittings that have long been switched off.
Some of the sights are artistic and some thoughts of mine have been recorded on a dictaphone and used to positive use in writing and poetry, but overall, it can become a nuisance when I'd rather sleep soundly and enjoy a deep dream.
I'd have scoffed at people who suggest that mushroom and LSD can rewire the brain or open you up to new areas of perception in the sober state, it the truth of it is, it can and does. It's for this reason I disapprove of people who have no goal, brag of high doses and just consume to get 'high'. There's side effects and there's bad, oppressive experiences that can occur and prolong,
My experience of this was due to taking a few moderate doses every week, a few years ago when I owned my last house. Now that I own a new house, my lifestyle changed with it and through lack of growing, I had no mushrooms to consume, nor was I interested. Now, As the winter is approaching I've found myself growing again and taking a moderate dose every 2-3 weeks, but still I can see the half sleep flashbacks creeping in with potent effect.
I think if you use or not, depends upon if you are willing to accept the side effects, how you utilise them and if you are willing for these to increase with age. For those people who live till a good age, they might have to contend with the natural demise of brain function, so it's wise to consider this too.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: lovuasca]
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Breaks are just something that comes with taking psychedelics. There will come a time where you have a super intense trip where things aren't quite right afterwards. It has happened to me 2 or so times and each time I didn't feel like tripping for nearly a year after but then acid started calling me back and had a few more trips and had a blast.
Tripping can be pretty crazy. You go through a hell of a lot and it definiately leaves an imprint on you. As long as you are enjoying tripping, keep doing it. But if you don't enjoy it, stop until you feel like you want to again. Bad trips are the worst and leave you feeling really bad afterwards.
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The way I see it, psychedelics are like a pass to a traumatic experience. It's like you undergo EXTREME bipolar disorder in every couple of secondsand overall throughout the night until it feels like you're somehow stronger from something youve learned, that's what it's like for me anyway, like everything is emotion. It's like all your sensory input IS being read out into an emotional linegraph. You need to realize there really isnt anything wrong with you and that it will go away. 'Over meditation' can do the exact same thing. patterns, weird dreams, experiences that dont seem like dreams while you're trying to sleep that flash again in the morning...Your brain is the most powerful drug out of them all man. Your brain is most likely not outside the norm, I'd bet money on it.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: lovuasca]
#23705517 - 10/04/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyway, do you know what you did to acquire your HPPD situation? Six months is a long time, I've been having the flashbacks for a month now but they are not nearly as disruptive anymore. I'm just wondering what I should do to avoid these issues next time, although I'm guessing it's as simple as not taking too much too often.
I acquired HPPD out of sheer unluckiness I guess, it wasnt that i was doing psychedelics to much or to often or even at high doses. I was pretty young when I first got it, i think right around when i turned 17. I think i acquired it after my 3 or 4 trip on LSD, I remember only taking what felt like 150ug maybe 200 max. I think that the trip just rewired my brain for a little while, but after ahwile im guessing those electric impulses died down enough for it to go away. And to answer your last question about what you can do to avoid it, I personally don't think there is any way to avoid it. Some people just pull there card and get persisting symptoms, while others can trip every month for 5 years and not show a single persisting effect. However, speaking from my experience which i can't say will be true for you. Once mine went away it never really came back once i started tripping again. This last weekend i did 500ug of 1p-lsd and al-lad combo, and i gotta say it was the most beautiful and intense trip id ever had. And thinking about it now if doing psychedelics once again after youve had hppd or other side effects, must not always trigger those effects again. Because after this last trip i feel 100% and have no sides. So overall, i think its just unluckiness if you get hit with these symptoms.
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Also i gotta add about what you said that you'd get these symptoms after going on here or if you are just in a kinda trippy sober head space lol. I had a lot of the same feelings for some reason, if i started thinking trippy thoughts, my hppd would kick up briefly. Idk if this holds any factual evidence that thinking trippy thoughts can make you trip lol but i get what you mean. Maybe it takes you back to your experience and your brain correlates that with a memory of tripping. And electric impulses start kicking again and wam you got a trippy headspace with slight visuals hahaha
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I have mentioned my hppd symptoms to multiple doctors including a psychiatrist and a neurologist. I say 'my visual field is very noisy and full of snow and red and blue geometric patterns when looking at dark surfaces'. They have no idea what I'm talking about and brush it off as insignificant. In fact, I cannot explain my hppd symptoms to anyone who has not done psychedelics, and even most of the people I know who have done psychedelics do not have httpd. They all think I'm wierd, even though there is documentation out there about visual snow.
Edited by PsychoKinesiS (10/04/16 02:23 AM)
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littlespider
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Im fairly new to regular psychedic use but i was wondering if flash backs are stored in the same way that trauma memories are stored and so can be treated in the same way?
When the brain is overwhelmed buy somthing suddenly frightening it can chnage the usual way memories are layed down. Normally they are laid down with an autobiographical aspect in i think the hippcampus but when the brain is shocked that is interupted and you get an implicit only memory. These can be visual and emotional in nature and seem to have no grounding in the passage of time. One way you can stop them popping up without an order is to attach numbers, language and time to them. Our hippocampus re remembers and adapts memories all the time. We find a memory but every time we put it back its a little different. You can take the overwhelming memory out, describe its order with words and time values and sort of pop it back to be remembered by our usual memory system.
The flash back looses its power to pop out of implicit memory without reference or a sense of "that was in the past".
If nothing else, some geeky stuff about implicit and autobiographical memory..!
Are flashbacks from psychadelics more often from frightening parts of trips?
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Edited by littlespider (10/04/16 02:47 AM)
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grizzlyadams
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PsychoKinesiS said: I have mentioned my hppd symptoms to multiple doctors including a psychiatrist and a neurologist. I say 'my visual field is very noisy and full of snow and red and blue geometric patterns when looking at dark surfaces'. They have no idea what I'm talking about and brush it off as insignificant. In fact, I cannot explain my hppd symptoms to anyone who has not done psychedelics, and even most of the people I know who have done psychedelics do not have httpd. They all think I'm wierd, even though there is documentation out there about visual snow.
Some people just can't relate, its very hard for some people to imagine something that they can't even grasp. Think about before you did psychedelics or got hppd, you'd probably think the same thing. It's very hard for people to understand and accept that this is even possible. I personally strongly think that there needs to be more research into HPPD, and possible ways to cope with or even cure HPPD. Just my 2 cents, although i sometimes feel this is the gov. way of punishing those who do illegal drugs.
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lovuasca
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Thanks a lot guys.
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Are flashbacks from psychadelics more often from frightening parts of trips?
They sometimes are, but only sometimes. But to be honest, the experience is not easily categorized as either 'frightening' parts and 'fun' parts. Most of it was both at the same time actually. There are a few flashbacks that are more frightening and some not frightening at all. Sometimes I'm just glad I had the flashback because I wouldn't have remembered that part any other way. :P Other times I actually don't feel like I'm reliving a memory. Last night I dreamt about taking lsd with some friends and had a 'trip' which felt completely unique.
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I personally strongly think that there needs to be more research into HPPD, and possible ways to cope with or even cure HPPD. Just my 2 cents, although i sometimes feel this is the gov. way of punishing those who do illegal drugs.
I very strongly believe there needs to be a lot of research on these psychedelics and all their effects as well. I kinda agree with that I tend to think that it is the government that want to leave us with a lack of knowledge on them so we are less inclined to even try them. But I'm not really sorry for ending up with these symptoms. It is not me who stopped proper research from happening on an important spiritual tool. That only leaves me with the option of being my own researcher, and topics left unexplored is wisdom not obtained.
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I think if you use or not, depends upon if you are willing to accept the side effects, how you utilise them and if you are willing for these to increase with age. For those people who live till a good age, they might have to contend with the natural demise of brain function, so it's wise to consider this too.
That's quite scary. I personally wouldn't take psychedelics anymore if I was noticing that the flashbacks wouldn't stop anymore. But other than that, I personally believe that the body is pretty much capable of healing anything that's wrong with it, given proper care. But those are just my two cents, I'm not a big follower of conventional medicine anyway. My last flashback was a week after my second to last flashback, so it is not happening to me anymore very often. I'm going to take it easy from now on until that day I feel big doses are appropriate again. Maybe a little fasting will help as well. We'll see.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: lovuasca]
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I think HPPD and flashbacks are bullshit.  I would of definitely had some by now.
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Re: Should I quit psychedelics? [Re: Eclipse3130]
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Eclipse3130 said: Yeah, I was on my strongest dose of mushrooms lemon tekked and one of my buddies started having a bad trip, and Iwas inexperienced, I had no clue what was going on, time was standing still. Eventually he ended up chasing us down a mountain we hiked letting out murderous grizzly bear roars, every time I saw him after that for about a year, it would give me crippling anxiety and send me into panic,right back into the trip, eventually I worked through it by talking to him.
The trip itself I convinced myself I was dead and was re-watching the experience or re-living the experience of how I was killed by this man. Time was moving backwards at one point, so that further convinced me and everyone was so small like gnomes and dwarfs, my foot steps felt like I could never get anywhere, running from a living nightmare
That's rough bro, I had a similar experience in general not on drugs but yeah this kid went fucking nuts and started chasing us with a baseball batt. Another time on mushrooms I had guy freakout at me and forget who I was after sitting with him for hours around a camp fire, he almost got violent and he LOOKED like a grizzly bear.
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