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OfflineMiles Per Gravity
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Are dreams real?
    #23636533 - 09/11/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

are dreams real?

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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: Miles Per Gravity]
    #23636568 - 09/11/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It depends on what you mean by real, I suppose.  The subconscious mind has both local and nonlocal aspects.  There could be some interesting things happening nonlocally for all we know, but also, dreams take place in the local subconscious mind, which means for the most part that these phenomena are occurring in large part inside your head.

So I think they're mostly non-real, but that doesn't mean they're not vivid, profound, and conducive to giving one many different sorts of valuable lessons.


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23637276 - 09/11/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
It depends on what you mean by real, I suppose.  The subconscious mind has both local and nonlocal aspects.  There could be some interesting things happening nonlocally for all we know, but also, dreams take place in the local subconscious mind, which means for the most part that these phenomena are occurring in large part inside your head.

So I think they're mostly non-real, but that doesn't mean they're not vivid, profound, and conducive to giving one many different sorts of valuable lessons.





Well said! :cheers:


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23639567 - 09/12/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dreams have 3 sources, and they sources sort of intermingle at times.

- Man  Subdivided into mind/soul (physical and meta-physical) and also spirit (all meta-physical)
- Evil spirits and their consequences
- God and his outcomes (seed)

So "real" in the context God is real and if he gives you a dream, it's real in some way.  A lot of the dreams God has given me, they are not literally real dreams, but like visions.  In a vision, God will use symbolism to convey a message.

And I have spent years learning about things God had shown me in a dream, but I didn't immediately understand because God used symbolism that I had to learn by revelation.

Now, the nonsense dreams as far as I can tell, are the dreams born purely out of man's thinking.  Not our spirits, but just our minds and souls.  These can result in the nonsense dreams that don't mean anything.

Now, in a dream, you can actually have a vision of a literal event.  Your spirit man, can actually leave your body by God or evil forces.  With evil forces I do not know if this is a deception or real.  If it is real, it's highly dangerous because if you are relying on their power to return you to your body, there is no reason to think you will not die in your sleep.  In fact, it would only be by God that they would be forced to return you.  So I am thinking it is a trick of theirs.

But God can take you out of your body in a dream.  You can go see stuff.

You can also have shared dreams, but I only experienced those with demons involved while I was in satan's kingdom.  I dated a spiritual medium, and she had stuff... spirits manifested visibly around her.  Anyway, we had shared dreams involving witchcraft.

Much prefer the stuff God does!  Less gimicky, and more useful.


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: Razare]
    #23639769 - 09/12/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Razare do you realise God is continuous with your self?


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: Razare]
    #23642298 - 09/13/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I subscribe to a tripartite nature of the human as Soma, Psyche and Pneuma as well. However, while "Big Dreams" may issue forth from a higher level as mapped on the glyph of the Kabbalistic Tree (e.g., Yetzirah  the World of Formation [archetypes, celestial beings] rather than Assiyah [The World of Action] or man's ordinary world), ALL worlds are spiritual and are aspects of God. This can be seen panentheistically instead of pantheistically or theistically. God's transcendence may be 'wholly other' than creation, but God's immanence is relevant to the discussion of God-insired dreams. If not for the immanence of God's Presence (Shekinah) in creation, prayer directed towards God would be useless and any communication from higher spheres of God's Being towards humanity would be equally impossible. Panentheism as a theological construct allows for more give-and-take between the poles of divinity-humanity than simply theism permits. Most people blink this and gloss over such ontological categories simply by proclaiming the mystery of God's ways, but that kind of response really proclaims people's ignorance of the subtleties of theological thought.

MEANWHILE, speaking of synchronicity (the miracles of everyday life), a Haitian man in a brown suit (the heat index here has dropped to 94° from 109° earlier, but he's a crazy as the Hasidim in terms of apparel in Miami) rang my red dragon bell and  identified himself as a Jehova's Witness. I called his attention to a small sign which reads: "Solicitors, Trespassers and Proselytizes will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." He apologized, but his face fell and he looked truly annoyed. HE'S annoyed?! I'M annoyed by people who presume that everyone but them have no spiritual life and need their bizarre religion for salvation, especially since I am now an elder. If I didn't have a spiritual life by now, do these people think that they will be the agents for a conversion experience?


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23642916 - 09/13/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Real = Reality.  If it is experienced in any way, it is real.  A dream is just another type ov reality that exists within certain limitations, just like waking consciousness, magickal consciousness, drugged consciousness, etc..  By assuming something to not be real, one restricts the potential merit an experience may have.  Delusion is not the belief in something that is'nt real, for such cannot yet be real-ized, but the belief that an experience has veracity outside the limits ov its potentiality.

And yes, Jehovah's witnesses are annoying.  I tore up the pamphlet they dropped in front ov the last one i encountered.


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: lavod]
    #23645266 - 09/14/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mostly I agree, except with the way you concluded delusions. Delusions are deceptions or distortions - ideas that do not accurately mirror Reality. Delusional thinking registers 'what is' like a fun-house mirror and to act upon a delusion means that one's judgment is also distorted. For example I just treated (successfully as far I could tell since she began eating bread the next day) a petite Ukrainian 14 year old girl who was starving herself at 79 lbs. because she feared that otherwise she would become fat and be tormented like when she was a chubby 7 year old. She went from Anorexia nervosa to Bulimia nervosa and began to vomit in desperation. Her thinking was delusional, distorted and not something that should have been realized. She might have died.


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23646484 - 09/15/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if you believe in them then they become real.

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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: Miles Per Gravity]
    #23646640 - 09/15/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The dreams of today become the memes of tomorrow. Pepe bless.


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23646792 - 09/15/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It depends on what you mean by real, I suppose.  The subconscious mind has both local and nonlocal aspects.  There could be some interesting things happening nonlocally for all we know, but also, dreams take place in the local subconscious mind, which means for the most part that these phenomena are occurring in large part inside your head.

So I think they're mostly non-real, but that doesn't mean they're not vivid, profound, and conducive to giving one many different sorts of valuable lessons.




I don't know exactly what you mean in the local/nonlocal aspects, but I think I'm agreeing with you. Many branches of psychology (not just Freudian) used to think dreams were very significant indicators of something. But now they are more likely to conclude that they are just extra thought clogging up your brain.

    My dreams are weird but more confusing than nighmereish. I seldom dream in the present. I went to college for a very long time but have also been out for a very long time. I regularly have dreams about the end of the semester, and there is some class that I seldom attended that I better get to but I can't find it. Those are always undergrad dreams. My grad school dreams are always about having not done long term papers that are due. I wake up and it takes me a minute to realize I'm not in school and don't have to write any papers and it's such a relief. I never dream about my five years of teaching at school, I think because other than the first semester when I sucked, I was very confident teaching after that. I constantly dream of not being able to find my dwelling, but it's weird like my apartment is connected to a shopping mall or my house is in some kind of a gigantic industrial complex, that I wander endlessly. So there is a level of insecurity, but just at a somewhat neurotic level. I sometimes realize the absurdity of these situations and although completely asleep, reason it out, and slap my self in the face till I wake up. I also have the occasional lucid dream where I go in and out I know I'm in my exact bed and my exact bedroom. Like most guys I know I have the occasional sex dream, where I wake up and think I have to get right back asleep and into that same dream. But I have almost never dreamed about ex-girlfriends, and sexual encounters in dreams are very "loose" and "easy" no taking any time to get to know you. Which is unlike my real life so maybe it's wish attainment.


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23646955 - 09/15/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Many branches of psychology (not just Freudian) used to think dreams were very significant indicators of something. But now they are more likely to conclude that they are just extra thought clogging up your brain.





Yes, I once heard a psychology student being interviewed say that the latest findings in academic psychology indicate that dreams are not much more than farts of the brain, really.  I find my experience confirms that, but I cannot speak for others, and I know that many people have very highly structured dreams, so who knows.


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Re: Are dreams real? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23647152 - 09/15/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

my dreams sometimes have clear message.

btw lucid dreaming :epileptic:

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