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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#23647148 - 09/15/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Darwinism/evolution still makes the most sense to me.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23647155 - 09/15/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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br33zy said: Why are members of modern society so hostile towards Christians? Subjectively, this doesn't seem to be the case for other faiths.
for me, it's absolutely the case for other faiths but why does christianity seem to get attacked more, well, it could be 3 things... 1, there are more people here that profess to be christian, 2. it's the largest religion out there. 3. this shit....

2. christianity is not the largest religion "out there"
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23647266 - 09/15/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So did they disprove it or not? I don't see anything that disproves evolution here at all. It just sounds like "hey there were some really harsh conditions that shouldn't harbor life, but there was life anyway".
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23647279 - 09/15/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wait, I am confused.
Since life started earlier then believed, and happened during a turbulent time in Earth's history, what does that make evolution harder to defend? If anything it is a testament to life and evolution.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: TNK] 6
#23647370 - 09/15/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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People who don't believe in evolution have such enormous skepticism and high standards for evolution but when it comes to their bullshit intelligent design, they'll believe some ancient book carte blanche.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: ohcrapitsnico] 2
#23647384 - 09/15/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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it makes darwinian evolution harder to defend. darwinism is only one model of evolution. This represents "Punctuated Equilibrium."
I actually just wrote a paper about this last night.
here are some easy sources.
Eldridge, Niles 1986 The Theory of Punctuated Equilibria. London: Hinemann.
Gould, Stephen. 1980 The Return of the Hopeful Monster. Electronic Resource: Stephen Jay Gould Archives. http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_hopeful-monsters.html.
Public Broadcasting Service 2001 Punctuated Equilibrium. Electronic Resource: PBS. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/5/l_035_01.html.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: Larrythescaryrex] 1
#23647447 - 09/15/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, evolution is seriously just a basic consequence of genetics. You know how you inherit traits from your parents? Over a long enough time, people with traits that are disadvantages don't do as well as people with traits that are advantages. Eventually the people with advantageous traits outnumber the people with disadvantageous traits so much that the entire population ends up related to the people with the advantageous traits and not related to the people with the disadvantageous traits. That's evolution.
You can see evolution at work in Russia's tame fox experiments. In Russia, they tamed foxes by selecting for foxes which were the friendliest towards humans. Only the friendliest foxes were used to make the next generation of foxes, and as a result each generation got progressively friendlier until we now have tame foxes being raised in Russia. Evolution happens exactly the same except that the natural environment favors one trait over another.
You can also perform an experiment at home to prove it to yourself. Plant a bunch of pea plants at home. The ones that grow to be the tallest, use only their seeds and their pollen to produce a second generation of pea plant. Then from that generation, use the tallest plants to grow a third generation. You will see that each generation gets progressively taller because each generation inherits genes from its parents and some of those genes control height. This happens because you are keeping alive the plants with tall genes and ridding the population of plants with short genes which causes the population as a whole to become taller because all plants in each generation inherit genes from the tall plants that survive and not from the short plants that don't.
This is not rocket science, and it is a scientific reality that you have to confront. Denying evolution is denying that DNA exists.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: nooneman]
#23647464 - 09/15/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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the model of "Human Behavioral Ecology" is rather agnostic about genetic causation.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23649126 - 09/15/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the issue is that many if not most of professing Christians do not actually follow God's word, they do not intently study it and lack a fundamental understanding of it, and are "lukewarm" at best. I am Christian myself, and find that many people proclaiming to be a Christian lack the wisdom, Compassion, love for others, self-sacrifice, faith, etc. that God wants from us. Everything in that image is crap and not grounded in biblical teachings at all. The only references made are taken out of context and misunderstood. God does not punish with molestation or rape. It gets frustrating trying to fight against the image that the masses have of "Christians".
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for me, it's absolutely the case for other faiths but why does christianity seem to get attacked more, well, it could be 3 things... 1, there are more people here that profess to be christian, 2. it's the largest religion out there. 3. this shit....

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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: br33zy]
#23649165 - 09/15/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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people take from the scriptures the words that shape their OWN "philosophy". thus it ever was.
unfortunately people opt for scornful, practically evil, ways of thinking about their religion...their religion that is so widely misunderstood, even in it's fundamentals.
a religion stemmed from another religion, whom adherents don't follow one another's rules, even though they're all intrinsically connected...and those adherents whom will belittle 'the heathen' pagans that their religion(s) is based off of.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: akira_akuma]
#23649598 - 09/16/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, the creation story gets undue weight because it's near the beginning of the book. People who attempt to read the Bible all the way through are likely to at least get that far, even if they give up not too long after that. Thus it looms large for some people as being a core tenet of Christianity, to the point where the "God planted fake evidence to fool people into believing the wrong thing and going to hell" theory makes perfect sense to them.
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: psi]
#23649603 - 09/16/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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water can take many forms salt also builds up shape on it's own I read an artical that there is some weird quantum mechanics going on when your salt clumps up lol
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: br33zy]
#23649758 - 09/16/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What kind of hostile religious zealot are you most likely to deal with systematically for your whole life in America?
Christians
When I was a kid someone found out I was an atheist, they're response was to repeat on loop; "You're going to hell!" several times before I left. In fact, I was often bullied for not being a part of my local church. So why do you think that a lot of Americans criticize Christians more than, say the Hindus?
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: NotTheDevil]
#23650411 - 09/16/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not disagreeing with you, I just find it so sad that people are treated this way by people who profess to be a Christian. I did not grow up in the church and accepted Christ later on in life. I try my best to live my life in a way that God calls me to. He doesn't teach the hate, cruelty, lack of compassion, and selfishness that many have experienced from "Christians". I truly believe I am a better person today due to changes I have made for my faith.
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What kind of hostile religious zealot are you most likely to deal with systematically for your whole life in America?
Christians
When I was a kid someone found out I was an atheist, they're response was to repeat on loop; "You're going to hell!" several times before I left. In fact, I was often bullied for not being a part of my local church. So why do you think that a lot of Americans criticize Christians more than, say the Hindus?
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: br33zy]
#23650842 - 09/16/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: br33zy]
#23650943 - 09/16/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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br33zy said: Why are members of modern society so hostile towards Christians? Subjectively, this doesn't seem to be the case for other faiths.
Because it's the hip thing to do.
Oh, you're a Muslim? That's great! Let's celebrate your culture!
Oh, you're a Christian? *insert violent hate speech*
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#23650967 - 09/16/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23650983 - 09/16/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think it was sarcasm. I've personally noticed a trend where people will bash Christians and defend Islam.
I think the argument being presented in the article is that according to evolution the time period when these organisms were alive was supposedly not conductive towards supporting life.
I think the stronger argument is the question posed to Dawkins in this clip:
He's asked "Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information on the genome?"
His response is that we aren't descended from the current day animals, and that way way back when we are descended from a common ancestor.
I believe the idea behind the question is: How is it possible for DNA to encode itself to contain more information than it already has? DNA contains all the information for a set-number of chromosomes. How did the extra chromosomes manifest if only a limited amount of information is contained within them to begin with? Since we cannot see it occurring today, why would we presume it occurred 300 million years ago?
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Re: Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend (Article) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23650988 - 09/16/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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because aliens inserted the dna in monkeys, boom! humans.
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