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Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique!
    #23646051 - 09/14/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's been awhile since I've logged in or posted..
Haven't seen a fresh Mushie in months!

Just wanted to pop in and see if anything has progressed!

Check it out, and let me know what you think:

My System (in a nutshell)

I was running Monotubs of 50/50cv
Using a lb of 50/50 and one qt whole grain spawn in 23qt tubs..

I feel as I have room for updates and inprovements, as I started noticing a higher contam rate, and longer spawn incubation times..

I was averaging 4-6 weeks to even fully colonize a spawn jar.
I PC @15psi for 100 minutes, rarely letting it slip below 90 mins.
24hour soak, boil until tender and steamed off until the grains were no longer obviously saturated.

I use Whole oats and wheat for spawn..

Was yielding around 1 oz on the first flush, give or take 1/4 oz.

Overall total yield was 3-4.5 oz per tub in total after about 3-5 disorganized flushes.
I chose polyfill holes for FAE over "fanning"

I'm hopeful to get some enlightenment towards producing bigger yields a little bit faster.
I also would like to experiement more with G2G and agar..

I feel like a noob again!
Any critique is greatly appreciated!
I'm looking forward to being back on the forums!
Help my dumbass!


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23646084 - 09/14/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Never used wheat but oats you should pc for 2 hours inocuole has a tek for prepping oats and there are a couple more where you boil them ... do you mean damion50/50's tek or you are using half been half coir? I could be wrong but I think most people use 2 quarts verm to a brick of coir. And maybe use 1.5qts- 2qts spawn on your tub I've never used that small of tub I think pasty uses 2 qts on a 27


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23646099 - 09/14/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Green houses are now in. Also speed wise. Blender li then grain slurry teks a 100 jars at the time is the fastest. But monos are still cool.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23646100 - 09/14/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Never used wheat but oats you should pc for 2 hours




I'm afraid the oats will split..
Do you have a link to the spawn prep tek?
Or any tek.. I'm looking to see what others are into..
Proportions are a big question for me. I eyeball everything!
Seeing others with a good system may help me change my ways.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: tump]
    #23646105 - 09/14/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Green houses are now in. Also speed wise. Blender li then grain slurry teks a 100 jars at the time is the fastest. But monos are still cool.




Using the slurry for spawn or something like a g2g-LC hybrid?
This is cool, and I have a greenhouse I've always wanted to build up!
Care to share what humidifiers work best?


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: tump]
    #23646109 - 09/14/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dafuq? Pretty sure monos are still the #1 tek recommended and used. Green houses are good if you're able to fine-tune the parameters needed for proper fruiting. There's not really a set tek on GHs. Personally if I made a gh I'd just get a cool mist or some BS, and have it fall from up top on an interval I find best. Fae is more important anyways. But why go through the effort? Monotub is like poke 6 holes, put poly in it, spawn ???? Harvest

I personally pc my oats for 2.5 hours because of endos. It makes them more caramelized looking, but myc just eats it up.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23646122 - 09/14/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A big factor is whatever culture you are using, 4-6 weeks is really a long time even from spores. I would put some energy into that and make that a priority, you can use dozens of different grains, it just comes down to preference and price.
Also, when you get that worked on you can try out the casing and fruiting at spawning method to get faster first flushes.

And here is a good guide on a few different spawns and prep
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22524362


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23646123 - 09/14/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also get into agar if you haven't.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Mad Season]
    #23646127 - 09/14/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've been running mine for 2 hours and 15 minutes sometimes 2.5 if I'm doing a marathon and I'm on the last set of jars ... op the search engine just type oats tek two if they are whole oats with the hull they won't split


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23646214 - 09/14/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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do you mean damion50/50'sDamion5050's tek or you are using half been half coir?




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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Inocuole]
    #23646217 - 09/14/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lmao thanks noc and I meant verm I got a new phone which blows donkey dick it keeps auto correcting shit


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23646225 - 09/15/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey im not sure if im posting in the right section but im new to shroomery and have no idea how to ask questions like I see so many otgers doing. Any help would be great, Thanks!


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: IrishFields]
    #23646231 - 09/15/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Go back to the forum and look for where it says post


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: IrishFields]
    #23646256 - 09/15/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey im not sure if im posting in the right section but im new to shroomery and have no idea how to ask questions like I see so many otgers doing. Any help would be great, Thanks!




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/newpost.php?Cat=0&Board=2&page=0

Read the rules first, for everyone's sake.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14960167

Also consider one of many already open Q&A threads, or some of these reading resources.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/235
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14297019#14297019
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Inocuole]
    #23646289 - 09/15/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you, this is a big help much appreciated.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: IrishFields]
    #23646495 - 09/15/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What is the preferred method to speeding up colonization?
I like the slurry idea, but worry about contam... Should I be intimidated? I use a simple SAB. But even then I have always doubted SABs, literally to the point of flame-sterilizing a sponge of 91% iso inadvertently inside my SAB, completely wiping out all traces of hair on my forearms.

Where do I go from here; I'm currently "re-sterilizing" a PC  full of jars I never got around to actually opening and innoculating.
Is this a no-no? Hell, I thought I had everything down, then everything changed when the fire nation attacked..


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23646516 - 09/15/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Re pcing works. Screw with water content but still works. Ill be honest the slurry is the same risk as grain to grain. I've only recently got into it but i beleive if you can master the blender li teks then its perfect. I have horrible hand correctional skills . i say if you got 50 bucks to spend into new projects then slurrys are for you. It all contams or colonised myc in 4 days either way. I did six bacths of the slurry and two bacths died the most awesome contams withen days
The other four bacths produced me 6 trays and 32 tubs. Yeilds about the same as you. Another big thing with higher yields is the new bottle teks that pasty has. There cool because you can mainly use straw and cheap flours or grains mixed togther like cakes . pced like grains.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: tump]
    #23646540 - 09/15/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What about agar? Where would you rank that on the list of riskies?

And if nothing else, is Hawkseye (mushrooms.com) still work messing with? It could go back to the syringes, even..
I need more quick and consistent results (don't we all)


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23646579 - 09/15/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Agar is key to clean culture making. I don't do very well for the amount of time spend doing it. But its is important like anything else its a skill. Mushroom.com is still good for prints i guess but syringes i go to spore depot. 10 spores syringes for 60 bucks is awesome. Ill probaby get a warning for that for sourcing. Trick with them is to delute then form 1 to 6. Its easy its cheap and if done right cuts down the contams rate amount the 60 jars.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: tump]
    #23646597 - 09/15/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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What about agar? Where would you rank that on the list of riskies?

And if nothing else, is Hawkseye (mushrooms.com) still work messing with? It could go back to the syringes, even..
I need more quick and consistent results (don't we all)




Agar is as easy as making jello.  And I would consider a necessity if you would like consistent success.

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Agar is key to clean culture making. I don't do very well for the amount of time spend doing it. But its is important like anything else its a skill. Mushroom.com is still good for prints i guess but syringes i go to spore depot. 10 spores syringes for 60 bucks is awesome. Ill probaby get a warning for that for sourcing. Trick with them is to delute then form 1 to 6. Its easy its cheap and if done right cuts down the contams rate amount the 60 jars.




And just curious why you would need more than one syringe if using agar???


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: twistedty]
    #23646647 - 09/15/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Making agar is like making jello then pressure cooking it sterile. On the other hand bacterial things happen with all open air contact. I use agar more then i like to tell on here. But he asked about spore syringes i just answered him. With semi clean spores to grain it takes time but you still get more for your money if you take a 6 dallor investment and make it into a 1 dallor investment for 10 jars.
Like i say agar is a skill set and im not the only one for fails at it. Either you i get 75% fast colonised clean grains with agar. So 95% clean but slow colonised grains.
Agar has its place . It's not a holy grail its just a tool. It is not even the same crappy arguement the tc have with the noobs on here everyday.
Ive done agar. I have agar plates going right now. But i suck at them and probaby will umtil i die. Every step we do to in the mushroom life cycle increases the chances of contams winning. Every agar transfer is another area for contams to sneak in. Atleast if you add more clean water and divide the spore load between more jars the other mold spores will be deluded. With flame sterilition and proper clean injections are much better off.


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    #23646695 - 09/15/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23646715 - 09/15/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would most likely never use diluted spore syringes over agar.

I would say the best advice there is to grow is to use agar.


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    #23646754 - 09/15/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Again you all treat agar as a holy grail. I answer him with my personal history on the subject.


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    #23646831 - 09/15/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: filthyknees]
    #23647521 - 09/15/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can someone direct me to a good agar tek to start with,
And maybe a tek for a good SAB, or whatever is preferred nowadays... I don't like the idea of these new trashbag flow hood things. :awesome:


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23647526 - 09/15/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pastywhytes easy agar tek


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    #23647698 - 09/15/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Tump just... stop posting.  Seriously.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: Inocuole]
    #23648131 - 09/15/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That agar tek is gnarly.
I can't wait to try it..
Especially given most the shit I can get locally,
But can I do a no-pour using a PDA mix from a sponsor in place of the agar-agar?

And As for the slurry, does an oster blender fit onto a mason or do I have to modify a lid to fit the blade?
I'm about to use up one of my syringes on the 7 jars I re-cooked yesterday..

Should I add cuffs and caps to my SAB?
I overkill on sterility and still wind up getting shit jars.
Lysol spray everywhere, and soapy water sprayed on the walls of the SAB.

Thanks all! I can't wait to see some rhizo.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23648191 - 09/15/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

how to use a SAB, a piece from SBJs "the basics" https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771
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its all about still air, not sterile air(which is impossible)

go for clean, fast, healthy growth instead of "rhizo".
stro's cleaning and isolating on agar https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/4

IMO you should clone a fruit from a tub, or let a (clean) pasty agar plate fully colonize and clone an invitro pin from the plate. they're usually pretty good.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23648490 - 09/15/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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go for clean, fast, healthy growth instead of "rhizo".


IMO you should clone a fruit from a tub, or let a (clean) pasty agar plate fully colonize and clone an invitro pin from the plate. they're usually pretty good.





I'm sorry, I'm so infatuated with the way mycelium grows.. Rhizomorphic growth makes me feel rewarded... Whether or not it has any bearing on how well it actually was grown..


And speaking of cloning fruits, is it worth it to inoculate my plates with spore solution?
I will likely create a master and do G2G to get my supply bulked up, and use a little bit in a slurry...
But the slurry part is what gets me, I feel like it is entirely too much room for error

We'll see how my spawn goes.. I feel like these spores have been abused.


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Re: Long time, no see, Shroomery... What's hype nowadays? I need critique! [Re: TripBalls]
    #23648522 - 09/15/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, as long as you know you're liable to pass up good genetics by only looking for rhizomorphs..


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