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Weed or Kratom
    #23644506 - 09/14/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Which do you prefer?

I prefer kratom :kratomtee:


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644508 - 09/14/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644538 - 09/14/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I prefer the high from Kratom- the energy, endurance and mood lift .

But I have to choose cannabis because unlike cannabis Kratom causes me physical dependence and withdrawal , and while cannabis cures nausea Kratom often causes it .

I have to choose cannabis because I can use it daily and never get withdrawal.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23644542 - 09/14/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:kratom:


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23644584 - 09/14/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

kratom, but I don't use either one anymore since I ran out of my last kilo last week. I quit smoking 18 months ago.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644599 - 09/14/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom no contest


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644605 - 09/14/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed
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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23644617 - 09/14/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23644628 - 09/14/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do u compare apples and oranges? Why compare the two?


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644640 - 09/14/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do u compare apples and oranges? Why compare the two?



Its not a comparison thread its a preference thread.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644643 - 09/14/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom at the moment.

Marijuana has a tendency to make me lazy, lethargic, and anxious. Yet it makes me highly creative

Kratom gives me an energy boost, mood lift, plus decent anxiolytic benefits

However there is a physical dependency that comes with kratom that's distasteful. So it can only be used in moderation

They have their ups and downs


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant] * 2
    #23644654 - 09/14/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do u compare apples and oranges? Why compare the two?



I do. Oranges are the shit.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23644671 - 09/14/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644805 - 09/14/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow its tied 5-5.

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Do u compare apples and oranges? Why compare the two?



Im not comparing then im asking people's preference.

But i will compre then right now.

Weed makes me anxious and it helps me sleep butat the cost of making me feel burnt out and lazy.

Kratom makes me feel calm and motivated. It helps me sleep but it gives me a more pleasent sleep and i can be nodding off one minute then snap out of it and get up and do something. Kratom aslo lasts longer. The problem is the physical dependence and it makes my eyes hurt sometimes.

But moonshoe, both kratom and weed can make you feel nauseated. But i agree its much more common with kratom. With weed you have to smoke a whole bunch at once.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #23644810 - 09/14/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If weed makes u anxious it has nothing to do with weed, unless u smoking laced no strain shit... It's to do with pre existing condition


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644835 - 09/14/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed making people anxious is very very veeery common. There is a video about cannabis paranoia by a youtube channel called psyched substance that explains it breifly.

Its not like only people with a specific condition can freak out on weed. It could happen to anyone. It happens to some more than others.

Coffee makes some people anxious, psychedelics make some people anxious, cocaine makes some people anxious. Its a common reaction to many drugs.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644843 - 09/14/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ud be surprised to know just how many people who smoke have underlying mental condition :smile:


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644856 - 09/14/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed by default cuz I haven't tried Kratom, but Kratom doesn't sound so bad. I'd probably still choose weed tho cuz weed allows me to see what I am afraid to see, and gives me the opportunity to conquer these things, works almost like a psychedelic. Moderation is key.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644859 - 09/14/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah so? That doesnt mean that that is the sole cause of anxiety on weed.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644862 - 09/14/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom by a hair. Love em both. Weed is a lot more consistently good in my opinion, but when kratom is good, it's fucking great. Definitely more addictive though, obviously a huge draw back


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644864 - 09/14/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

PRE existing condition = cause of bad trips, that or set and setting / substance quality


But anyway, to each their own :shrug:


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644872 - 09/14/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's only one way to find out, smoke and find out what it is exactly that is causing this anxiety. For me it's usually caused by previous experiences, I guess I've got like mild ptsd or sumshit.. Damn cops and just bad people in general fucked up my high..


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: zZZz]
    #23644881 - 09/14/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Set and setting right there


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644922 - 09/14/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea man. Best to smoke in the comfort of ur own home. when I first started smoking many years ago the high was almost euphoric, me and my friend would walk to the nearest burger joint and everything was always find and dandy. Then I started smoking with strange people, bad people, which lead to several confrontations with police, which pretty much fucked my mental up for almost a decade..


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #23644924 - 09/14/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Which do you prefer?

I prefer kratom :kratomtee:




Fucking blasphemer

:pope:

Weed of course

Kratom tastes and feels gross, its addicting with withdrawals, and its expensive as fuck


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23644927 - 09/14/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PRE existing condition = cause of bad trips, that or set and setting / substance quality


But anyway, to each their own :shrug:




How does quality of substance cause bad trips? That thing where "lsd degrades into things that cause bad trips" is fake i think.

Also zZZz, its not always a past experience or something, not even close to always. psychedelics can cause bad trips simpley because they cause muscle tension, i find i always get the tense body load and the comeup anxiety at the same time. Or set and setring like someone mentioned

Its not always "brother your spirit is wounded and thats why you had a bad trip brother. Just be honest with god and yourself and feel the eternal love of the universe brother."

Sometimes when taking substances that alter brain chemistry you freak out. The drugs cause the same physical responce that occurs when you are in danger to occur when you are just high or tripping.

I dont need to smoke and go on an inward journey brother to find out what pains my soul brother.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23644928 - 09/14/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Do u compare apples and oranges? Why compare the two?



I do. Oranges are the shit.




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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23644929 - 09/14/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is a lot cheaper than weed, at least down here in the dirty south.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23644932 - 09/14/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Which do you prefer?

I prefer kratom :kratomtee:




Fucking blasphemer

:pope:

Weed of course

Kratom tastes and feels gross, its addicting with withdrawals, and its expensive as fuck



I pay 600$ canadian for a qp of weed.

Kratom is like 160$ canadian for a ki if you buy only cheap strains.

Kratom is less expensive for me. You are probably talking about corner store/head shop kratom.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644945 - 09/14/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Its not always "brother your spirit is wounded and thats why you had a bad trip brother. Just be honest with god and yourself and feel the eternal love of the universe brother




Actually that is EXACTLY what it is. The problem lies as deep as the ocean..


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: hex_enduction]
    #23644948 - 09/14/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Kratom is a lot cheaper than weed, at least down here in the dirty south.



I second this notion.  Weed used to be my go to, but now a days I like low doses of kratom on thew daily because it helps me get shit done like a mother fucker at work and at home...


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644949 - 09/14/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, alright, maybe the guys I knew doing Kratom were just getting jipped


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: zZZz]
    #23644953 - 09/14/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Its not always "brother your spirit is wounded and thats why you had a bad trip brother. Just be honest with god and yourself and feel the eternal love of the universe brother




Actually that is EXACTLY what it is. The problem lies as deep as the ocean..




Basically I agree that there's something behind the bad trip, though I wouldn't say its necessarily spiritual, or that there's always much one can do about it other than clench their buttcheeks and hangon.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23644975 - 09/14/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Clenching your muscles is the worst thing you can do during a bad trip besides calling an ambulence.

You want to get your body OUT of flight or fight mode by relaxing your muscles and slowing your breathing/heart rate


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23644978 - 09/14/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Clench those buttcheeks


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23644985 - 09/14/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No don't be a tight ass


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23644986 - 09/14/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Some people should really stay away from drugs :facepalm:


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant] * 1
    #23644992 - 09/14/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

People who can't spot a joke?
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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: zZZz]
    #23645006 - 09/14/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No don't be a tight ass




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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23645009 - 09/14/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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PRE existing condition = cause of bad trips, that or set and setting / substance quality


But anyway, to each their own :shrug:



I used to enjoy weed, then I overdosed on 25i-nBOME, after that weed made me feel like I was having a heart attack after one hit


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645014 - 09/14/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Its not always "brother your spirit is wounded and thats why you had a bad trip brother. Just be honest with god and yourself and feel the eternal love of the universe brother




Actually that is EXACTLY what it is. The problem lies as deep as the ocean..




Basically I agree that there's something behind the bad trip, though I wouldn't say its necessarily spiritual, or that there's always much one can do about it other than clench their buttcheeks and hangon.




Don't think of spirituality as like this fairy tale full of fairies and what not, think of spirituality as basically getting to the root of things, what happens before a thought?. it is essentially something u can't see, but can def feel. Suppose U feel scared, "so what exactly is this feeling?", ud ask urself," where does it come from?". To me, That is spirituality. It is what science cannot answer, it is being completely honest with urself...


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: zZZz]
    #23645026 - 09/14/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23645094 - 09/14/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645096 - 09/14/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.




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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: zZZz]
    #23645103 - 09/14/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

zZZz said:
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Its not always "brother your spirit is wounded and thats why you had a bad trip brother. Just be honest with god and yourself and feel the eternal love of the universe brother




Actually that is EXACTLY what it is. The problem lies as deep as the ocean..




Basically I agree that there's something behind the bad trip, though I wouldn't say its necessarily spiritual, or that there's always much one can do about it other than clench their buttcheeks and hangon.




Don't think of spirituality as like this fairy tale full of fairies and what not, think of spirituality as basically getting to the root of things, what happens before a thought?. it is essentially something u can't see, but can def feel. Suppose U feel scared, "so what exactly is this feeling?", ud ask urself," where does it come from?". To me, That is spirituality. It is what science cannot answer, it is being completely honest with urself...



I know what you are saying with being honest with yourself and exploring your mind and shit you dont need to convince me. Why do you think i do psychedelics? I use them as tools, you dont need to win me over im just saying that not all bad trips occur because of problems in peoples lives.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: morrowasted]
    #23645109 - 09/14/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

desant said:
PRE existing condition = cause of bad trips, that or set and setting / substance quality


But anyway, to each their own :shrug:



I used to enjoy weed, then I overdosed on 25i-nBOME, after that weed made me feel like I was having a heart attack after one hit



Yeah a couple shroom trips have changed weed for me too. I would get anxious from weed sometimes before but its much more common after certain trips. Most of which werent even bad just intense. One was bad though.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #23645110 - 09/14/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I ate acid at a party once and started jacking my dick on the couch cause I thought all the people there were just cool ass visuals

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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645111 - 09/14/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree bad trips can arise from nothing more than an uncomfortable noise. In fact many of mine have been audiocentric


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23645115 - 09/14/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mine are usually tactilecentric if thats a word lmfao probably not. Its the physical sensations that freak me out. Especially the tense come up.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23645117 - 09/14/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Shrooms make me feel like I'm being stabbed in the gut
Guaranteed bad trip


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645119 - 09/14/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645143 - 09/14/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.



I prefer cocaine as a daily high.
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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645171 - 09/14/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do you think i do psychedelics? I use them as tools, you dont need to win me over im just saying that not all bad trips occur because of problems in peoples lives.




I'm just speaking my mind man, not trying to win u over or anything..

Anyway if the bad experiences don't occur from the problems in a person's life, then they will occur because of the problems of other people, because the world is sick, and we live in this world, we are the ones who shape it, and so we are essentially the problem..


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23645181 - 09/14/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.



I prefer cocaine as a daily high.
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Uh... sucks for you?


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645245 - 09/14/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey kratom users so i have some green indo kratom that causes a weird side effect that I've never run across before.

Its random too as in this doesnt happen every time i take it, but quite often. I cant tell if its really potent or just shitty.

Anyway sometimes itll cause a pretty severe eye vibration type thing to where i cant keep focus and it gives me a terrible headache. Like my vision is narrowed to the point that my eyes are vibrating and my reaction time is really slow.

Hopefully you understand what i mean by vibrating? Idk how to describe it. Anyone have this happen before?

It sucks cus i bought a whole kilo of this but It still has the typical kratom effects to it so im still using it anyway. It can be pretty distracting and unpleasant sometimes tho. :/


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Mr. Magic] * 1
    #23645293 - 09/14/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mr. Magic, this is commonly refereed to as the wobbles and is associated with high doses or very potent kratom.  I personally started kratom out of a ope addiction and therefor have always had more of a tolerance.  That said, I have experienced this side effect, but only with high doses of kratom in combinations with concentrates.  IMO this is getting towards the point where kratom can get kind of shitty and not so much fun.  It also makes it extremely hard to drive and do shit.

My tolerance is so low now that I bet it wouldn't take much to get that fucked up on kratom, honestly doesn't take much of the strong shit to make your eyes jiggle lol.  If it's an unpleasant side effect for you I'd recommend lowering your dose.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Mr. Magic] * 1
    #23645301 - 09/14/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey kratom users so i have some green indo kratom that causes a weird side effect that I've never run across before.

Its random too as in this doesnt happen every time i take it, but quite often. I cant tell if its really potent or just shitty.

Anyway sometimes itll cause a pretty severe eye vibration type thing to where i cant keep focus and it gives me a terrible headache. Like my vision is narrowed to the point that my eyes are vibrating and my reaction time is really slow.

Hopefully you understand what i mean by vibrating? Idk how to describe it. Anyone have this happen before?

It sucks cus i bought a whole kilo of this but It still has the typical kratom effects to it so im still using it anyway. It can be pretty distracting and unpleasant sometimes tho. :/



Yeah thats the worst side effect of kratom. Its very uncomfortable.


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    #23645326 - 09/14/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed for me because kratom hurts my stomach & makes me dizzy


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23645385 - 09/14/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Okay thank you for the reply. The crazy thing is though is it only takes 3-4g for it to happen, which isnt a big dose for me after more than a year of daily use. Lol

Its still good kratom besides that as long as i take less as you said which ive started doing.

Good thing is i just got some more kratom thats freaking amazing and doesnt cause this so im going to start mixing the two to avoid it. :smile:


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Mr. Magic]
    #23645398 - 09/14/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That is interesting.  I'm sure the side effect is caused by one or so alkaloids present in kratom, so that specific batch must have a lot of it. If you research active compounds that have been identified in kratom the list is quite extensive and the effects are all over the spectrum.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23645499 - 09/14/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I once had a batch of kratom that would give me stomach aches and terrible cramps. It was different than a kratom overdose though.


If I could only have one I would probably pick weed, but I use both of them for very different purposes. I actually prefer them together and I usually include espresso too. Weed, kratom, and coffee go together perfectly.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #23645562 - 09/14/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeahhhh. Weed kratom and espresso is the shit.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #23645568 - 09/14/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Weed, kratom, and coffee go together perfectly.




I'd be lying if I said I haven't enjoyed this combo myself.
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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23645647 - 09/14/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Weed, kratom, and coffee go together perfectly.




I'd be lying if I said I haven't enjoyed this combo myself.
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Yes I prefer all 3 but must say ganja is always king
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