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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645014 - 09/14/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Its not always "brother your spirit is wounded and thats why you had a bad trip brother. Just be honest with god and yourself and feel the eternal love of the universe brother




Actually that is EXACTLY what it is. The problem lies as deep as the ocean..




Basically I agree that there's something behind the bad trip, though I wouldn't say its necessarily spiritual, or that there's always much one can do about it other than clench their buttcheeks and hangon.




Don't think of spirituality as like this fairy tale full of fairies and what not, think of spirituality as basically getting to the root of things, what happens before a thought?. it is essentially something u can't see, but can def feel. Suppose U feel scared, "so what exactly is this feeling?", ud ask urself," where does it come from?". To me, That is spirituality. It is what science cannot answer, it is being completely honest with urself...


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: zZZz]
    #23645026 - 09/14/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: desant]
    #23645094 - 09/14/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645096 - 09/14/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.




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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: zZZz]
    #23645103 - 09/14/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Its not always "brother your spirit is wounded and thats why you had a bad trip brother. Just be honest with god and yourself and feel the eternal love of the universe brother




Actually that is EXACTLY what it is. The problem lies as deep as the ocean..




Basically I agree that there's something behind the bad trip, though I wouldn't say its necessarily spiritual, or that there's always much one can do about it other than clench their buttcheeks and hangon.




Don't think of spirituality as like this fairy tale full of fairies and what not, think of spirituality as basically getting to the root of things, what happens before a thought?. it is essentially something u can't see, but can def feel. Suppose U feel scared, "so what exactly is this feeling?", ud ask urself," where does it come from?". To me, That is spirituality. It is what science cannot answer, it is being completely honest with urself...



I know what you are saying with being honest with yourself and exploring your mind and shit you dont need to convince me. Why do you think i do psychedelics? I use them as tools, you dont need to win me over im just saying that not all bad trips occur because of problems in peoples lives.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: morrowasted]
    #23645109 - 09/14/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PRE existing condition = cause of bad trips, that or set and setting / substance quality


But anyway, to each their own :shrug:



I used to enjoy weed, then I overdosed on 25i-nBOME, after that weed made me feel like I was having a heart attack after one hit



Yeah a couple shroom trips have changed weed for me too. I would get anxious from weed sometimes before but its much more common after certain trips. Most of which werent even bad just intense. One was bad though.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #23645110 - 09/14/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I ate acid at a party once and started jacking my dick on the couch cause I thought all the people there were just cool ass visuals

Shit was intense


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645111 - 09/14/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree bad trips can arise from nothing more than an uncomfortable noise. In fact many of mine have been audiocentric


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23645115 - 09/14/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mine are usually tactilecentric if thats a word lmfao probably not. Its the physical sensations that freak me out. Especially the tense come up.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23645117 - 09/14/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Shrooms make me feel like I'm being stabbed in the gut
Guaranteed bad trip


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645119 - 09/14/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645143 - 09/14/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.



I prefer cocaine as a daily high.
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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23645171 - 09/14/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do you think i do psychedelics? I use them as tools, you dont need to win me over im just saying that not all bad trips occur because of problems in peoples lives.




I'm just speaking my mind man, not trying to win u over or anything..

Anyway if the bad experiences don't occur from the problems in a person's life, then they will occur because of the problems of other people, because the world is sick, and we live in this world, we are the ones who shape it, and so we are essentially the problem..


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23645181 - 09/14/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was hoping to compare the number of people who prefer kratom to weed. Lets just drop the spiritual stuff and the debates about bad trips please.

Go to TPE if you want to talk about that or start your own thread.



I prefer cocaine as a daily high.
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Uh... sucks for you?


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645245 - 09/14/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey kratom users so i have some green indo kratom that causes a weird side effect that I've never run across before.

Its random too as in this doesnt happen every time i take it, but quite often. I cant tell if its really potent or just shitty.

Anyway sometimes itll cause a pretty severe eye vibration type thing to where i cant keep focus and it gives me a terrible headache. Like my vision is narrowed to the point that my eyes are vibrating and my reaction time is really slow.

Hopefully you understand what i mean by vibrating? Idk how to describe it. Anyone have this happen before?

It sucks cus i bought a whole kilo of this but It still has the typical kratom effects to it so im still using it anyway. It can be pretty distracting and unpleasant sometimes tho. :/


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Mr. Magic] * 1
    #23645293 - 09/14/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mr. Magic, this is commonly refereed to as the wobbles and is associated with high doses or very potent kratom.  I personally started kratom out of a ope addiction and therefor have always had more of a tolerance.  That said, I have experienced this side effect, but only with high doses of kratom in combinations with concentrates.  IMO this is getting towards the point where kratom can get kind of shitty and not so much fun.  It also makes it extremely hard to drive and do shit.

My tolerance is so low now that I bet it wouldn't take much to get that fucked up on kratom, honestly doesn't take much of the strong shit to make your eyes jiggle lol.  If it's an unpleasant side effect for you I'd recommend lowering your dose.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Mr. Magic] * 1
    #23645301 - 09/14/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey kratom users so i have some green indo kratom that causes a weird side effect that I've never run across before.

Its random too as in this doesnt happen every time i take it, but quite often. I cant tell if its really potent or just shitty.

Anyway sometimes itll cause a pretty severe eye vibration type thing to where i cant keep focus and it gives me a terrible headache. Like my vision is narrowed to the point that my eyes are vibrating and my reaction time is really slow.

Hopefully you understand what i mean by vibrating? Idk how to describe it. Anyone have this happen before?

It sucks cus i bought a whole kilo of this but It still has the typical kratom effects to it so im still using it anyway. It can be pretty distracting and unpleasant sometimes tho. :/



Yeah thats the worst side effect of kratom. Its very uncomfortable.


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #23645326 - 09/14/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed for me because kratom hurts my stomach & makes me dizzy


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23645385 - 09/14/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Okay thank you for the reply. The crazy thing is though is it only takes 3-4g for it to happen, which isnt a big dose for me after more than a year of daily use. Lol

Its still good kratom besides that as long as i take less as you said which ive started doing.

Good thing is i just got some more kratom thats freaking amazing and doesnt cause this so im going to start mixing the two to avoid it. :smile:


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Re: Weed or Kratom [Re: Mr. Magic]
    #23645398 - 09/14/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That is interesting.  I'm sure the side effect is caused by one or so alkaloids present in kratom, so that specific batch must have a lot of it. If you research active compounds that have been identified in kratom the list is quite extensive and the effects are all over the spectrum.


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