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whoiam
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Questions about LSD
#23644037 - 09/14/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tried LSD for the first time yesterday. 70 ug of JoR #5 Goblin Bomb. I was feeling the come up after about 45 minutes. The physical feeling was for me exactly the same as for mushrooms, and I attribute it to a rush of dopamine and/or serotonin.
Whenever I get a rush of dopamine (tried amphetamin once, mushrooms twice) I get extremely tired, but yet fidgety. I just want to be in my bed and do nothing and I don't think this is a normal response compared to what others feel on acid.
Does anybody recognize being tired yet fidgety like this? I am suspecting that ADHD could have something to do with this, since the condition has a lot to do with dopamine. Any thoughts?
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Re: Questions about LSD [Re: whoiam]
#23644051 - 09/14/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not sure, I have tried coke, and molly. The crash is a little different and I wouldn't consider it close to lsd.
I have taken a few doses, and gotten couchlock for hours on end. I have taken doses and could not sit still, even from the same sheet. I consider it, if you take the lsd when you have been up awhile, your tired, hungry ect you will not have much energy. Thats how I see it. And, its your first trip. Its good to start low, and upping the dose to your liking.
Thinking about it now, I have to say I get alot more energy on higher doses, 3+, 2 is really a hit or miss for me sometimes, and Im used to the effects so it doesn't blow me away like it used to when I was in your position.
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Re: Questions about LSD [Re: LSDollar]
#23644307 - 09/14/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I understand what you mean. I'd say your response is pretty normal actually, but that many people just kind of push through the anxiousness and awkwardness. Tripping isn't really easy or fun exactly, though many people try to make it a social thing.
I persoanlly like to curl up under the covers of my bed during a come up and an intense peak most of the time. Just kind of relax and go with the trip without having to deal with stuff and interact in any way. Maybe after the peak I might feel like moving around and doing things, but the whole first half of most trips all I really feel like doing is curling up somewhere comfortable and letting the lights, colors, and imagery wash through my mind.
In fact anymore I don't even like to trip socially. I don't think I'd even want to trip at a perfect concert of festival. I'd rather do something else and enjoy the show, then trip later in a more private setting where I don't have to deal with people and do things.
Not that I don't like tripping. I actually love it and feel like I need it in order to refresh my perspective from time to time. However it does make me a bit anxious and uncomfortable unless I just lay down, relax, and fully embrace it. If I do that I feel great and perfectly at ease.
So yea, I'd say your response is definetely not abnormal. Maybe try not seeing it as a social drug. Then take 2 or 3 times that dose somewhere quiet and enjoy the experience.
Of course I also get the same way on stimulants, even caffeine. If I take too much and get anxious I also get kind of tired and just want to lay down and do nothing. My heart could be pounding but my mind could feel exhausted.
That is probably because of abuse of my dopamine system. Instead of getting a big mental lift, my exhausted nervous systems just kind of goes flat. So maybe my, and our issues are related to too much drug use or abuse in general.
-------------------- I only use drugs medicinally. If I don't my knees hurt from kneeling down.
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whoiam
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AllGreyThumbs said: Of course I also get the same way on stimulants, even caffeine. If I take too much and get anxious I also get kind of tired and just want to lay down and do nothing. My heart could be pounding but my mind could feel exhausted.
That is probably because of abuse of my dopamine system. Instead of getting a big mental lift, my exhausted nervous systems just kind of goes flat. So maybe my, and our issues are related to too much drug use or abuse in general.
That is exactly what I mean. But I live a very "clean" life in terms of diet and exercise and with no stimulants. I have only tried psychadelics 3 times. I just find that 80% of the LSD trip was physical (bodily sensations) and the other 20% were an exact copy of shrooms (patterns swirling and objects zooming in and out).
I'm interested to know how people in general react to such rush of dopamine. Is it a normal respons to become tired? Much like ADHD, a person with that condition will take ritalin (an amphetamine) and feel calm, but a normal person will take ritalin and become "speeded". So I suspect I have ADHD and therefore I should take caution with psychadelics and other drugs in the future...
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Re: Questions about LSD [Re: whoiam]
#23645468 - 09/14/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is possible that your dopamine system doesn't respond quite normally, then again it might all just be speculation. Be careful self diagnosing and assigning labels to yourself.
Honestly, there is no reason why you can't eat some shrooms and drop some acid every now and then. That isn't really going to hurt you, and really only directly affects the serotonin system.
On the other hand regardless of whether you have any issues now, it is probably always best to avoid using dopamine acting substances regularly. They really do screw with the reward circuitry in your brain. After taking big chemical hits, it gets harder for the brain to respond positively to normal things and natural levels of neurotransmitters.
Basically, the old advice makes a lot of sense. Psychedelics are fine to use sometimes. So called "hard" drugs, with a dopamine rush are not really good to use. Then again, I never really followed that rule myself, but it does make sense for anyone that wants to preserve their well adjusted state of mind.
Maybe don't over think it too much. Don't start thinking like you are some kind of neuroscientist or extrapolating too much from a few highly subjective experiences.
Just go by feel and listen to yout body. Don't don't beat the crap out of your brain abusing harmful drugs. On the other hand trip if you want to, however you want to. If you don't like being up and about, just trip at home and relax like I usally do.
-------------------- I only use drugs medicinally. If I don't my knees hurt from kneeling down.
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Oh, and to answer your question, normally a surge in dopamine should make someone feel confident, outgoing, and energetic, especially mentally. It should wipe away fatigue and anxiety and make someone feel like a cool guy and sort of a bad ass.
Dopamine feels like cocaine, or the first hour or so of a strong opiate.
It feels like ego.
A lack of strong dopamine response results in a lack of motivation and a lack of satisfaction from doing normal things. The brain's natural motivation and reward system doesn't work right.
I know I down regulated my dopamine system. Surprisingly it was mostly from kratom use. While not nearly as strong as most substances it does have a noticeable dopamine hit on the front end. I pushed that reward button 2 and 3 times a day for the last several years. Now it is hard to feel motivated and satisfied by other things, and even many drugs don't feel the same. Everything that dopamine does, is now noticeably less prominent.
Not that I'm complaining. Thanks to the DEA I'll be putting myself back in proper order shortly. I mean what's the fun of having a brain if you don't screw around with it. In fact it is almost as fun crawling out of a hole, trying supplements, getting healthier every day as it is digging the hole in the first place.
Then again, if you care about your brain you should definetly stick to things that are generally considered safe.
-------------------- I only use drugs medicinally. If I don't my knees hurt from kneeling down.
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there's and incredibly broad spectrum of possible side effects of LSD. and by side effects i mean that you might feel speedy one time, anxious another, social yet another time, etc. even from the same batch. like that old forrest gump box of chocolates thing - you never know what you're gonna get
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whoiam
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Thanks for taking time and responding. To me, human physiology is interesting. That's why I want to understand what a rush of dopamine feels like versus a serotonin rush.
Are mushrooms known to cause a dopamine dominant environment in the body, or is it a healthy mix of both dopamine and serotonin?
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