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Hollywood Hypocrisy
    #23643794 - 09/14/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Drugs are huge in the movie industry, everyone does it.

So why is there such a blatant anti-drug lean on what the industry puts out?
Movies come from the perspective of scumbag DEA agents, dirtbag snitches, and other undesirables.

The overall message is typically inline with an early 90s DARE ad.


Why does hollywood guzzle the dare cock?
They would make as much money from a neutral perspective.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23643816 - 09/14/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hang on, if you're saying what I think you're saying, I think you're grossly mistaken;

Scarface
Blow
King of New York
etc

There's fucking hundreds of drug movies out there, they just all send the message that 'you can be king for a day, but your downfall is inevitable'.

I don't get why you think they're so against it. These fuckers are blockbusters.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23643819 - 09/14/16 04:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im not sure about the "DARE cock guzzling" as u so nicely put it.

Have u seen "The Night Before" yet? That is the most pro-drug movie Ive seen since "This Is The End". Im shocked they can even put out such pro-drug movies. The Night Before had weed, shrooms, coke and molly, all protrayed in pretty positive light (except for bad trips and throwing up scenes).

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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23643835 - 09/14/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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There's fucking hundreds of drug movies out there, they just all send the message that 'you can be king for a day, but your downfall is inevitable'.





All of these hundred's of movies have a message? And they all have the exact same message?


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23643838 - 09/14/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Im not sure about the "DARE cock guzzling" as u so nicely put it.

Have u seen "The Night Before" yet? That is the most pro-drug movie Ive seen since "This Is The End". Im shocked they can even put out such pro-drug movies. The Night Before had weed, shrooms, coke and molly, all protrayed in pretty positive light (except for bad trips and throwing up scenes).

which movies were u referring to?




Haven't seen that one, I've seen Fear and Loathing and a dozen others, but they're exceptions to the rule.

I'm not about to make a list and argue over individual examples, suffice to say there is no shortage of shows and movies where the "good guys" are chasing down scumbag drug dealers.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23643853 - 09/14/16 05:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm yet to think of an example. I'm probably EXTREMELY biased though - I always root for the bad guy...


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23643862 - 09/14/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm yet to think of an example. I'm probably EXTREMELY biased though - I always root for the bad guy...




Fuck it

Narcos
Sicario
Donnie Brasco
Eastern Promises
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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23643939 - 09/14/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes but then there are movies like LIMITLESS/crystal fairy and the magic cactus and TV shows like SHAMELESS that are all pro drug use so 6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other... same thing


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    #23643971 - 09/14/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't really understand your perspective, but I'm thinking that you're missing the larger point.  Which is: whether you agree with it or not (& I take it that you don't), the majority of people see it as the "bad guys" are the ones operating outside of the law, while the "good guys" are the ones trying to stop them.  Most movie-goers are not pro-methamphetamine and want to see a person get all tweaked out & have a great time.  It wouldn't make sense to them, they wouldn't enjoy it.  Of course, there are tons of "anti-hero" type movies, and those protagonists appeal to drug users, but mostly I think Hollywood is trying to go for mass appeal & reach the lowest common denominator.  That's just market sense, and I don't see the hypocrisy in it. 

And since you don't want to discuss individual movies, let's take a look at genre.  Comedies try to be fun & funny, so when dealing with drugs, they talk about stuff like weed or psychedelics.  "Soft drugs".  Dramas tend to show the dark side of life, and it's easy to understand why they focus on "hard drugs"- hard drug addiction is some pretty dark shit.  It's rarely fun, or easy, or cheerful.  So that's why movies about drugs like coke, meth, or heroin tend to show the grim side of drug use.  These movies are just staying within safe parameters for their genre; which is, again, a swing at mass appeal.  While it might seem boring to you, it's not hypocritical.

There are still plenty of movies that fall outside of convention, but they're typically smaller, indie type films.  Hollywood aims at the biggest audiences around the globe and tries to give them what they want or expect to see.  I don't believe that Hollywood (as an industry) informs the public opinion, but rather they reflect it.  Before you start to see a lot of mainstream movies showing drug use in a positive light, there needs to be a major shift in public opinion in that direction.  But I don't think any of us will live to see the day that a Marvel Studios movie shows Captain America and Iron Man hitting a glass dick before battling transdimensional giants or whatever.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23644196 - 09/14/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"hitting a glass dick" :lol: u mean a pipe? :rofl:


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    #23644237 - 09/14/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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But I don't think any of us will live to see the day that a Marvel Studios movie shows Captain America and Iron Man hitting a glass dick before battling transdimensional giants or whatever.






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    #23645408 - 09/14/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wish OP would come back & help me understand what he's talking about. :undecided:


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    #23645419 - 09/14/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

did u see "the wolf of wall street"? they made ludes n coke seem real cool

did u see "the interview"? they made xtc seem like a blast


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    #23645456 - 09/14/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wish OP would come back & help me understand what he's talking about. :undecided:




:lol:  I'm too lazy to compile a list of relevant examples

Half the one's I put up above aren't even about drugs


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    #23645495 - 09/14/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not asking for examples, I'm trying to understand what you think is hypocritical.  But if you don't want to talk about the topic you started a thread about, I guess that's the end of it.


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    #23645527 - 09/14/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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did u see "the wolf of wall street"? they made ludes n coke seem real cool

did u see "the interview"? they made xtc seem like a blast



I thought the scene from Black Swan where Natalie portman does e was the most apt depiction of rolling I've seen on film.


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    #23645563 - 09/14/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not asking for examples, I'm trying to understand what you think is hypocritical.  But if you don't want to talk about the topic you started a thread about, I guess that's the end of it.




I don't think my argument makes sense without examples

Take Narco's, told from the perspective of DEA agents in Colombia, fueling a horrible war which was exported from the US.
Its "good guys" vs "bad guys", not a glimpse at the reality of what the drug war really is.
The violence and petty corruption of the era are sensationalized, and the roots of the issue are ignored.

Sicario is another one, same theme, worse script.


There's an abundance of productions in this vein, and its hard to understand why the presentation isn't more neutral, considering how rampant drug use is in Hollywood. I don't care enough to dig up a list, so that hurts my argument, but it doesn't change whether or not its true.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645575 - 09/14/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Some of the OP comes from my general distaste towards snitches, undercovers and the like (goodfellas, donnie brasco)

These are dishonest, amoral people, they're looked down on not just because they go against the associations, but because they're treacherous. Backstabbing shouldn't be glamorized in my book


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    #23645577 - 09/14/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've never seen Narcos, but is it really that sensationalized? Pablo Escobar pretty much set the standard for violent, militarized drug lording in South America.


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    #23645586 - 09/14/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never seen Narcos, but is it really that sensationalized? Pablo Escobar pretty much set the standard for violent, militarized drug lording in South America.




Its worth watching in my opinion, well produced

It just doesn't send any kind of meaningful message, there's no insight into why these events are happening or how they could have been prevented. Instead its just "good guy cops chasing down bad guy drug lord"


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    #23645593 - 09/14/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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did u see "the wolf of wall street"? they made ludes n coke seem real cool

did u see "the interview"? they made xtc seem like a blast



I thought the scene from Black Swan where Natalie portman does e was the most apt depiction of rolling I've seen on film.



Hah it did look fantastic diddnt it? Such an underrated movie as well.


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    #23645594 - 09/14/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah dude, it's kinda hard to paint Pablo Escobar in a positive light.  He was ruthless, murderous.  And that's just the reality of it. 

But in terms of everything that isn't strict documentary, I don't see portraying drug abuse in a negative light as hypocritical because some people in Hollywood use drugs.  They're storytellers.  The stories don't have to align with their personal beliefs, IMO.  If some documentarian makes an anti-drug documentary while using drugs himself, I suppose that is hypocritical. 

And I don't think snitches are glamorized.  They usually come off looking like huge dicks in the movies.


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    #23645600 - 09/14/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Black Swan was nominated for 5 Academy Awards, scores an 87% on Rotten Tomatos, and a 79 on metacritic.  I think it's appropriately rated.  Great movie.


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    #23645606 - 09/14/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, alot of movies show the reality of hard drug use. Which can be not so glamorous at times.
To base everything you write on you're own personal beliefs there would be alot more murder,rape,suicide and depravity in hollywood.
That would be like saying Brett Easton Ellis believes that murder and sociopathic behavior is acceptable.


I diddnt know thast hahaha sorry. I havent looked up ratings on it. I just never hear anyone ever talk about it at all while having conversations about movies. Let alone hear of it.


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    #23645623 - 09/14/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah dude, it's kinda hard to paint Pablo Escobar in a positive light.  He was ruthless, murderous.  And that's just the reality of it. 

But in terms of everything that isn't strict documentary, I don't see portraying drug abuse in a negative light as hypocritical because some people in Hollywood use drugs.  They're storytellers.  The stories don't have to align with their personal beliefs, IMO.  If some documentarian makes an anti-drug documentary while using drugs himself, I suppose that is hypocritical. 

And I don't think snitches are glamorized.  They usually come off looking like huge dicks in the movies.




Well I wouldn't paint Escobar in a positive light either, but the show does take a positive stance towards the drug war in general, it picks a side. The point isn't individuals or drug abuse, its the war in general, its not a good thing and it there's no need to portray it as some kind of necessary crusade.

But that's often the stance from what I can see, in Narco's they literally use the terms "good guys" and "bad guys" throughout the script, just a random example that makes their position pretty clear.

There's no need to portray the war in a negative light either, neutrality would be easy enough.


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    #23645651 - 09/14/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I understand your perspective, and even agree with it in some instances, but this goes back to my point in my first post in the thread.  Which is that most people see drugs, particularly "hard" drugs as good guys vs bad guys.  I think that if there was a major shift in public opinion, the stories themselves would change.


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    #23645664 - 09/14/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That shift might already be happening, maybe my perspective is skewed from being involved


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    #23645672 - 09/14/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I think when you frequent a site like this & interact with its users, have a bunch of pro-drug friends, etc., it's easy to forget that the vast majority of the population doesn't think like that.


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    #23645771 - 09/14/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think i follow Rep's logic now....

I believe Rep wants movies about drugs (and drug lords) need to be more like a documentary than a dramatized clique of "Good vs Bad".


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    #23645818 - 09/14/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Basically yeah, art has profound influence


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23646308 - 09/15/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So movies are more of an artform than mass entertainment?

Its OK i u think that, no judgement :thumbup:


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    #23646333 - 09/15/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So movies are more of an artform than mass entertainment?

Its OK i u think that, no judgement :thumbup:




They can be

Fear and Loathing was certainly a work of art, I can't say I've seen a book rendered so well on film before
Not to mention Depp's acting, he played Thompson spot on.


I wouldn't call any film art, anymore than I consider "organized sound" to be music.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23646399 - 09/15/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. Casual coke users and heroic heroin junkies are hugely underrepresented in movies.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23646405 - 09/15/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

a valid distinction of types.


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    #23647389 - 09/15/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

not in all movies, The Salton Sea was one that showed the other side and the police were the criminals, sort of real life in US.


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