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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23645593 - 09/14/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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did u see "the wolf of wall street"? they made ludes n coke seem real cool

did u see "the interview"? they made xtc seem like a blast



I thought the scene from Black Swan where Natalie portman does e was the most apt depiction of rolling I've seen on film.



Hah it did look fantastic diddnt it? Such an underrated movie as well.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645594 - 09/14/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah dude, it's kinda hard to paint Pablo Escobar in a positive light.  He was ruthless, murderous.  And that's just the reality of it. 

But in terms of everything that isn't strict documentary, I don't see portraying drug abuse in a negative light as hypocritical because some people in Hollywood use drugs.  They're storytellers.  The stories don't have to align with their personal beliefs, IMO.  If some documentarian makes an anti-drug documentary while using drugs himself, I suppose that is hypocritical. 

And I don't think snitches are glamorized.  They usually come off looking like huge dicks in the movies.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23645600 - 09/14/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Black Swan was nominated for 5 Academy Awards, scores an 87% on Rotten Tomatos, and a 79 on metacritic.  I think it's appropriately rated.  Great movie.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23645606 - 09/14/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, alot of movies show the reality of hard drug use. Which can be not so glamorous at times.
To base everything you write on you're own personal beliefs there would be alot more murder,rape,suicide and depravity in hollywood.
That would be like saying Brett Easton Ellis believes that murder and sociopathic behavior is acceptable.


I diddnt know thast hahaha sorry. I havent looked up ratings on it. I just never hear anyone ever talk about it at all while having conversations about movies. Let alone hear of it.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23645623 - 09/14/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah dude, it's kinda hard to paint Pablo Escobar in a positive light.  He was ruthless, murderous.  And that's just the reality of it. 

But in terms of everything that isn't strict documentary, I don't see portraying drug abuse in a negative light as hypocritical because some people in Hollywood use drugs.  They're storytellers.  The stories don't have to align with their personal beliefs, IMO.  If some documentarian makes an anti-drug documentary while using drugs himself, I suppose that is hypocritical. 

And I don't think snitches are glamorized.  They usually come off looking like huge dicks in the movies.




Well I wouldn't paint Escobar in a positive light either, but the show does take a positive stance towards the drug war in general, it picks a side. The point isn't individuals or drug abuse, its the war in general, its not a good thing and it there's no need to portray it as some kind of necessary crusade.

But that's often the stance from what I can see, in Narco's they literally use the terms "good guys" and "bad guys" throughout the script, just a random example that makes their position pretty clear.

There's no need to portray the war in a negative light either, neutrality would be easy enough.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645651 - 09/14/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I understand your perspective, and even agree with it in some instances, but this goes back to my point in my first post in the thread.  Which is that most people see drugs, particularly "hard" drugs as good guys vs bad guys.  I think that if there was a major shift in public opinion, the stories themselves would change.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23645664 - 09/14/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That shift might already be happening, maybe my perspective is skewed from being involved


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23645672 - 09/14/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I think when you frequent a site like this & interact with its users, have a bunch of pro-drug friends, etc., it's easy to forget that the vast majority of the population doesn't think like that.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23645771 - 09/14/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think i follow Rep's logic now....

I believe Rep wants movies about drugs (and drug lords) need to be more like a documentary than a dramatized clique of "Good vs Bad".


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23645818 - 09/14/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Basically yeah, art has profound influence


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23646308 - 09/15/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So movies are more of an artform than mass entertainment?

Its OK i u think that, no judgement :thumbup:


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23646333 - 09/15/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So movies are more of an artform than mass entertainment?

Its OK i u think that, no judgement :thumbup:




They can be

Fear and Loathing was certainly a work of art, I can't say I've seen a book rendered so well on film before
Not to mention Depp's acting, he played Thompson spot on.


I wouldn't call any film art, anymore than I consider "organized sound" to be music.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23646399 - 09/15/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. Casual coke users and heroic heroin junkies are hugely underrepresented in movies.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23646405 - 09/15/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

a valid distinction of types.


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Re: Hollywood Hypocrisy [Re: Great Scott]
    #23647389 - 09/15/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

not in all movies, The Salton Sea was one that showed the other side and the police were the criminals, sort of real life in US.


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