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Re: In what scenario... [Re: Withinity]
    #23660444 - 09/20/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think social anxiety...though most people wont call themselves shy is the main factor for suffering..Because we care what other people think, and have a history of doing so..its hard to enter the world..with your true will intact...because the doubt arises that what you are doing might be wrong..or be judged inappropriate.

So having said that..it can be taken as a form of death anxiety metaphorically..and concretely...we are afraid due to other peoples judgment of "Dying" but not true physical death as in im going to be buried in a  cemetery..but of the biochemical processes that go through your body as soon as someone makes fun of you..or judges against you..

I agree that this could be one of the top goals in your life..is to get over this death anxiety...

And then after that you can work on immortality..

The only sad part is most immortals leave the Earth and only come back wearing different forms..they get afraid to reveal who they are..


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Re: In what scenario... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23662720 - 09/20/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

why do we have to think of this is terms of a double negative...not dying...


the natural state is death...

is the desire to keep living different than not dying?

i hope to live...not survive.


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Re: In what scenario... [Re: TameMe]
    #23666027 - 09/21/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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TameMe said:
why do we have to think of this is terms of a double negative...not dying...


the natural state is death...

is the desire to keep living different than not dying?

i hope to live...not survive.




Double negative?
Are you saying death is negative? It doesn't follow grammatically that way...

Anywho. I think we are alive by default and so one cannot try to be alive
but we are not dead by default and so one can try not to die


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Re: In what scenario... [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23666084 - 09/21/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Is death anxiety not the prime motivator?

It seems to me that death anxiety is behind all our actions, and the great answer to life is death anxiety. Meaning what we keep coming back for, is because of death anxiety.




Essentially, you're basing "all" human motives on fear. Anxiety is "free-floating," meaning that anxiety does not have a specific object as does fear does. "Death Anxiety" is therefore a misnomer, and really ought to be called 'Fear of death' because that's what it is. Anxiety is directed towards the uncertainties of the future and specifically, the uncertainty about the time and means of one's death. The Bible says "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love" - 1 John 4:18 and this is a psychologically profound statement. Love means transcending oneself, participating in something that is bigger than one's individual biological existence that everyone knows is time-limited.

Fearing future suffering through illness and loss, loss of one's strength, faculties, finances, and loved one's is part of the human condition, but dwelling in the imaginary future in a state of anxiety as much as dwelling in the past and experiencing depression over it are both equally pathological. The biblical statement really suggests helping others, including but not limited to one's own family. This is phenomenologically similar to Karma Yoga, the Yoga of Action. One doesn't have to become a missionary to some third world country to practice intentional (as well as random) acts of kindness. Such behaviors manifest love (agapé) in the biblical sense which is equivalent to Buddhist metta (loving-kindness) or compassion. It's all about of reorienting oneself from a strictly physical to a spiritual identity, from body to mind, soul (mind-body) to spirit, form to emptiness. One is brought to a meaningful helping present which quiets the mental production of anticipatory anxiety.


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Re: In what scenario... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23666273 - 09/21/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Anxiety is not the same as fear, which is a response to a real or perceived immediate threat,[3] whereas anxiety is the expectation of future threat."

American Psychiatric Association (2013). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Fifth ed.). Arlington, VA: American Psychiatric Publishing. p. 189. ISBN 978-0-89042-555-8.


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Re: In what scenario... [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23666382 - 09/21/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I've heard about some clinic in Switzerland that has been administering psilocybin and LSD to terminally ill patients to ease their death anxiety, and that it works.  Some of the patients claim they are completely free of their fear.  I heard about this probably three or four years ago, I don't have a link.




I keep hearing good things about Switzerland.


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Re: In what scenario... [Re: Hobozen]
    #23666425 - 09/21/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you're into chocolate, clocks, or numbered bank accounts, it's the place to be. :thumbup:


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Re: In what scenario... [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23666451 - 09/21/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mt first job was at a Swiss pastry.shop, the owner was straight out if Switzerland. Some of the best desserts I've ever tasted. Even his bread was uniquely delicious. He ended up moving nad selling the place and it went downhill after that. I tried one of their torts recently and it's loaded with sugar. :nonono:


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