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AndyB
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Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results
#23641004 - 09/13/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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•Cake background : I made this cake using the PF Tek with some twists, I thought what the heck can't hurt. I used the standard 2-1-1 but here's the twist, 2 parts verm., .5 parts brf, .45 parts wbs flour (made it myself by baking the end in the oven spread thin on a cookie sheet at 300 deg for 1 hour then grinding it to a fine flour in a coffee grinder), .05 parts Syrian Rue seed flour (made in the same way as the wbs flour), 1 part water. Then instead of the usual 1/2 pint jars I used one single 5 cup Rubbermaid food storage container (right around 2.1 pints) and once again against the conventional Tek I drilled 4 1/8" holes (1 in each of the corners, because this container was square shaped) and I know this is a big "No No" but I also placed two more holes in the center offset from each other (for the mear fact of how large the cake would be). Now mind you this cake was made mearly for experiment and boundary pushing. Now to save everyone time from here on out the rest of the PF Tek was followed, verm layer, pc ing, inoc., etc etc. The cake took over 4.5 weeks to fully colonize then the week of consol. = 5.5 weeks.
• FC : The single mega cake was then placed in a hybrid SGFC of sorts which I designed for travel and portability (my field of profession requires me to travel to different locations for 3-4 weeks at a time). It's a Rubbermaid Office File Storage Tote (about 16" tall x 12" wide x 8" deep). I painted the outside of the tote black for the sole purpose of being less conspicuous during travel and transport. There are holes drilled in the top and bottom every 1 1/2"'s - 2"s as described in the SGFC Tek. On the sides I went a different route (only to test some theory of my own), holes were drilled a 1/2" apart starting at what would be the top of my Perlite layer (3"s from the bottom of the tote) and that patern was followed upward for 3 more inches then no more hole were drilled except for a ring of holes drilled a 1/2" apart around the top lip of the tote. Self adhesive foam stripping was then used to line the lip of the tote were the lid meets the container. I then cut out the handle area in the center of the lid and applied clear packing tape from the top and bottom to make a small observation window.
• Hydration and Fanning : The cake when birthed was given a 4 hour ice cold spring water dunk then placed on the Tupperware lid resting on a 1/2" bed of verm. I soaked in a solution of 3 parts mineral water and 1 part 3% hydrogen peroxide which was squeezed out of the verm. to field capacity then the top of the cake was capped off with a 1/2" of verm. prepared in the same manor. The first week of the cakes life during a 3-5 times a day fan & mist schedule I misted with a solution of roughly 20 parts mineral water 1 part coffee. Then when pins began to show I went to a all spring water mist. When the first mushrooms started to grow I then hand drilled a hole 1 1/2"s deep in the center of the cake and inserted a large straw cut down to 5" long. (which is filled with water every 3 days) Because of the straw adaption and my ultra-sonic I only mist when the outside of the cake looks to be getting a little dry which has been maybe once this week. As far as fanning I still take off the lid and fan 2-3 times a day for a count of 10
• Humidity : The humidity stays at a constant 85%-95% and is easily regulated and kept constant via a ultra-sonic humidifier on its lowest setting and a 3" layer of Perlite, the most simple and practice way I've found for dialing in the perfect amount of humidity and moister being received by the chamber is the addition of a "T" fitting after my vertical arc (prevents build up of water in the tubing) and about 12" before the tubing enters the chamber. When set up correctly with another vertical arc in the tubing before it connects to the FC the "T" fitting also serves two more purposes. 1. It regulates the amount of vapor being sent to the FC by dumping it back into the atmosphere. 2. It also acts as a drain for built up condensation in the tubing (water doesn't run uphill)
• Lighting : The light I'm using is a 60 watt blue / green spectrum grow lamp that emits at 6500-7000 kelvin. I run it on a 16 hr on / 8 hr off schedule hung at 2' above the FC's lid. This keeps a constant 78f-80f temp throughout a 24hr period. (I keep my trailer at 65f-68f at all times) The closet the FC is kept in is its own automated green house
• Air Circulation : A low level of air circulation is maintained by a small desk fan I have running underneath the table the FC sits on, the fan is on its lowest setting and the air current it produces is bounced off a wall several feet before gently and very lightly coming in contact with the FC
The reason the title says "unfavorable conditions" is because this poor little bastard has traveled over 1000+ miles in my truck with me, been to a handful of locations and moved from its resting place and joceled around dozens of times. Against all these odds it's survived and only had one run in with contams. Which I promptley took care of with a chemical carterization (which was done by cutting out the infected area then taking a cue-tip and soaking the end in straight bleach and rolling it across the contaminated surface. And that's that, no mor contam issues. You'll notice a small wedge missing on the cake if you look closely). The cake has survived and now has over 50+ pins on it and nearing its first harvest. I'll update and add more pics through it progression. The strand it was inoculated with was a Multi-spore Lip Yai syringe
 Two weeks after birthing (The biggest one there in the corner is about 2" wide at the stem and the not yet fully opened cap is around 3 1/2" edge to edge as of right now)
 In all there are around a dozen mushrooms that sprouted out of that one corner first
 Just a pic of a cluster of pins popping out. There are literally a dozen of the spots along the bottom side of the cake with 10-15+ in each cluster
 A pic of my modest mobile set up, you can see the way the tubing is set up w/ the "T" fitting as described in the "Humidity" portion of this post
 Pic of the way my fan is set up for circulation
Comments and suggestions are welcome please feel free to give me any tips especially you more experienced and successful growers. I'm new at this but I did a lot of studying and all these parameters I'm following came from studying my strands natural habitat from where it was found in the world and a compilation of successful FC builds . Thank you in advance for any comments good or bad
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: AndyB]
#23641035 - 09/13/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you'd be better off with a proper fruiting chamber. Lose the humidifyer, those should only be used with small green house set ups.
Build a shotgun terrarium to spec instead, 1/4 inch holes in a 2" x 2" grid pattern on all SIX sides, with 5" of damp perlite in the bottom. The chamber is raised at the corners up on something like soup cans, bricks, mason jars etc
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AndyB
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: mushpunx]
#23641241 - 09/13/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know of course it would be ideal but as I mentioned I am on the go and always traveling so what I designed is easy to travel with me, it's definitely not at all designed for others to mimic. But for me it suits it's purpose well. I'll alway have my own trailer with a closet some where in it but I also will always have a lot of traffic coming through for various reasons. I have a big SGFC at the house, I was just couldn't bring my self to leave the cake there unattended for 4-5 weeks so I built this to take it with me
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: AndyB]
#23641607 - 09/13/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's those couple of big ones in the corner along with a couple small ones that came off with them
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: AndyB]
#23642240 - 09/13/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's very refreshing to see a thread like this. I'm new here and people are often over zealous with their attitudes to perfect conditions and criticisms of anything different. I feel like it's something to do with achieving trusted status that leads to a kind of virtue-signalling one-upmanship. I may get hate for saying this, but maybe it's good for the community for someone new to break the omerta. People can criticise me if they wish, but that's how it feels for this particular newcomer to the community.
Sometimes threads like these are the only place that certain questions about imperfect conditions can get actual answers.
If no one did anything differently (and got criticised for it whilst it happened), nothing new would ever be discovered; how not to do it, how to do it, how to refine our results, perhaps even make a brand new discovery. If someone tells me "you won't discover something by doing it a bad way" i'll put my physics degree in the shredder.
Thanks for keeping it real!
Edited by TerryTate (09/13/16 05:03 PM)
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: TerryTate]
#23642346 - 09/13/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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TerryTate said: It's very refreshing to see a thread like this. I'm new here and people are often over zealous with their attitudes to perfect conditions and criticisms of anything different. I feel like it's something to do with achieving trusted status that leads to a kind of virtue-signalling one-upmanship. I may get hate for saying this, but maybe it's good for the community for someone new to break the omerta. People can criticise me if they wish, but that's how it feels for this particular newcomer to the community.
Sometimes threads like these are the only place that certain questions about imperfect conditions can get actual answers.
If no one did anything differently (and got criticised for it whilst it happened), nothing new would ever be discovered; how not to do it, how to do it, how to refine our results, perhaps even make a brand new discovery. If someone tells me "you won't discover something by doing it a bad way" i'll put my physics degree in the shredder.
Thanks for keeping it real!
The thing is, we're looking for someone to do something differently.. and actually get good results. The results depicted are not good results. They might look like good results to someone who is new, which is very misleading, and a thing we strive to prevent here. If someone admittedly provides shitty conditions and lucks out and gets a few mushrooms, nobody is going to be waiting with a round of applause for him. We already know you can half ass a grow and still get mushrooms. A lot of users here certainly prove that one. Until someone understands the basics really well, as in, having done them many many times, they typically do not make good guesses as to what mushrooms like.
If you're going to come claiming conclusive results about something outside-the-box then you'll need to prove not only that it's not a detriment, but that it actually has a benefit. So far that's 0 for 2.
So what's refreshing exactly about this?
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AndyB
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: TerryTate]
#23642519 - 09/13/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks terry, if these greater than thou "mushroom experts" would read what I say and pay attention to the title, satisfactory results!!! Nothing in this post says "check out this awesome grow and I did it with a new set up everyone needs to try". No . From the beginning I state it was an experimental cake that has basicly been through hell and back as far as how y'all say to treat the precious cakes. I'm basicly saying this cake pushed the envolope of survival, exposed to all kinds of open air situations, extreme heat in a truck, contams. All of which according to y'all should have been discarded or it will never produce because of. I've grown cakes and bulk before with plenty of successes. And I'm sorry you've never heard of chemical carterization, probably because I've experimented with it and it's something I developed that works very well to save cakes if you catch contams early and perform the procedure. I've never had to use it on bulk grows so I can only vouch for its affectiveness on cakes. And that cake in the pick currently has about 100 or so pins on it, I'll be post more pics later. Anyways I wasn't asking for high fives our Atta Boys, it's was mearly a " against all odds " type post , in a previous reply I clearly stated , " this is by no means anything for growers to mimic. Sounds like someone's parents didn't show them a lot of love and support, people like Terry gets me and what I was saying........ I REPEAT KIDS . DONT TRY THIS AT HOME WITH YOUR GROW!!!!! ITS ALL WRONG"
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: AndyB]
#23642622 - 09/13/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AndyB said: Thanks terry, if these greater than thou "mushroom experts" would read what I say and pay attention to the title, satisfactory results!!! .....I REPEAT KIDS . DONT TRY THIS AT HOME WITH YOUR GROW!!!!! ITS ALL WRONG"
Awesome post dude. I like how youre going against the grain to produce a nice looking fruit...I currently have a couple projects going that were shot down by members of this community while they thumbed their nose up. Karo Tek LC made from Spore syringe (satisfied with results) Lazy mofo bags made from crumbled BRF Cakes (Very satisfied + only had one contam thus far, and i know where i went wrong/how i got it) Adding Karo to BRF cake to speed up colonization. (Currently in progress, but it seems to have helped)
These were all "experimental" for me and i proceeded ahead even after being told it was a dumb idea.
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: RealmLAir]
#23644763 - 09/14/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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RealmLAir said:
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AndyB said: Thanks terry, if these greater than thou "mushroom experts" would read what I say and pay attention to the title, satisfactory results!!! .....I REPEAT KIDS . DONT TRY THIS AT HOME WITH YOUR GROW!!!!! ITS ALL WRONG"
Awesome post dude. I like how youre going against the grain to produce a nice looking fruit...I currently have a couple projects going that were shot down by members of this community while they thumbed their nose up. Karo Tek LC made from Spore syringe (satisfied with results) Lazy mofo bags made from crumbled BRF Cakes (Very satisfied + only had one contam thus far, and i know where i went wrong/how i got it) Adding Karo to BRF cake to speed up colonization. (Currently in progress, but it seems to have helped)
These were all "experimental" for me and i proceeded ahead even after being told it was a dumb idea.
Just wait til all that catches up with you. In between spores to LC and adding Karo to your BRF to "Speed up colonization" you're going to have a shitfest on your hands before long. Just because the results are "satisfactory" to someone who hasn't even been growing long enough to know what a good grow looks like, doesn't mean you should repeat them and make other people think it's a good idea to waste time when there are methods that are proven to have the highest chance of success.
Maybe this is all unwelcome advice, since you don't care if you have success all the time, maybe you like throwing jars away, maybe you're a fan of low yields, I don't know, I won't judge you for any of that. But when people read this shit and think "hey those results DO look satisfying, fuck what the board regulars say!", it creates big problems for people actually trying to help.
Look, anybody can get giant mushrooms with shitty conditions.
 
It's not hard, all you have to do is not give a shit about your grow.
But you could instead.. consider giving a small modicum of a shit about your grow.
 
You could use clean spawn, use techniques that skip the nastiness of a spore syringe, you could give them good conditions and have them reward you for it.
I suppose it's a choice, but by getting subpar results, calling them satisfying, you get a bunch of people who are now encouraged not to listen to advice on how to grow well. And it won't be YOU dealing with those people when they come back and start shitfests about spores to LC and things like that being okay because "I'm happy with the results" Or, "I only got one contam". Maybe you don't even know how to see contams yet so that's why you think you only got one.
So now people think this thread is "refreshing" because you "went against the grain". All you did was give shitty conditions. Large mushrooms form from shitty conditions all the time because the fruiting potential of the entire substrate is forced into a few pins.
Nothing against OP personally. Hell nothing against any of you personally. But I do have issue with the roles you're trying to fill. None of you are the "genius who has gone against the grain and proved us all wrong".
Work on moving up from BRF and spore LC before you share your experiences as if they're a godsend, or "experimental". Experiments have controls. You know what a good control is? A grow done correctly.
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: RealmLAir]
#23644776 - 09/14/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know the OP is probably excited to have a handful of fruits. But that was a lot of effort for that handful. I don't want to come across as a "hater" but I would suggest that all that was learned is that you can treat cubes like garbage and still see a mushroom.
I would also suggest that traveling with a felony is probably a bad idea but that's not really a cultivation topic.
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: AndyB]
#23644798 - 09/14/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AndyB said: Thank you in advance for any comments good or bad
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AndyB said: Thanks terry, if these greater than thou "mushroom experts" would read what I say and pay attention to the title, satisfactory results!!!
why you bitching??
i think the post should of been titled 'experimental PF tek was fucked but i got a few shrooms'
and you will get nothing short of crap results if you travel(wtf?) with something that requires a micro-climate. thats like trying to roll a blunt while swimming.
and before you get upset...
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AndyB said: Thank you in advance for any comments good or bad
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: mushboy]
#23644821 - 09/14/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please no more bashing of the word "experiment". Experiments have a hypothesis and are controlled. Doing something not advised is not an experiment. I think that's where most people get the vets riled up. I don't care if ya shoot spores into your septic tank or inject them right into your butt. But don't call it an experiment when you do it. Please.
Hell even when I do run a side by side, with controls and a hint of a hypothesis, I still won't call it an experiment.
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23645129 - 09/14/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This past spring I threw a bunch of PF test cakes into a plastic shopping bag and tossed it on my porch for the garbage and forgot about it (cant remember why I was throwing them out). A few days later I was taking the trash out and found the bag bursting with fruits- probably some of the best flushes Ive ever gotten off BRF cakes 
Would that happen consistently? I dont know but I really dont think so
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Pastywhyte said: I know the OP is probably excited to have a handful of fruits. But that was a lot of effort for that handful. I don't want to come across as a "hater" but I would suggest that all that was learned is that you can treat cubes like garbage and still see a mushroom.
I would also suggest that traveling with a felony is probably a bad idea but that's not really a cultivation topic.
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: mushpunx]
#23645164 - 09/14/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AndyB
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: TerryTate]
#23673455 - 09/24/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: AndyB]
#23673462 - 09/24/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everytime I see that straw. . .
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23673501 - 09/24/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Everytime I see that straw. . .

Straw is life!

No one here (at the present time) holds a 'greater than thou' attitude. We just want to see you get better yields when we know you could have by using 'normal' tested methods.
On the other side of the coin, there are some members here with high post counts who think they are mushroom god entities... Just ignore them and listen to the advice of people like Inocuole, Pasty, Cronicr, etc...
Do your research on the people you take advice from and use that information to make good decisions.
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: morty422]
#23673596 - 09/24/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who has a high post count that thinks they're mushroom gods exactly? Everyone who posts in mush cult with a high post count pretty much has it on lock. It's when you get into those pubber post counts..
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Re: Experimental PF Tek mixed with unfavorable conditions produces satisfying results [Re: Inocuole]
#23673691 - 09/24/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take your compliment you bastard! 
I'm not going to sit here and start naming off users in which I have made opinions of. There is nothing educational or productive in that.
The idea I wish to give, which I think is great advice to everyone asking this community for knowledge, is to do your homework on the people you decide to listen to. Look at where they post and how they got the post count they have, look at their journals (if any), and look at their posts and threads...
In the end, it's you and your mushrooms/grows and no one else. If you're going to spend time and money on a hobby that can more than likely put you in jail- you might as well do it right and get schooled by mentors you trust.
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