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117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath
    #23639831 - 09/12/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So earlier today I wanted to see how high I could get, so I poured a gallon of water into a pot and boiled it. I then made several BIG teabags from old shirts and weighed out all the A. Muscaria I found the previous weekend. It totaled 117 grams of dried caps, and steeped it in the tea for 20 minutes. I then squeezed out all the juice from the teabags and let the tea sit for 10 minutes. I then consumed the whole gallon of tea and waited.

Heres what happened:

20 minutes after consumption: Started getting high quick. (Imagine the highest you've ever been x10.)

40 minutes after consumption: Terrible stomache ache and cramps in the stomache.

1 hour: I puked for about 10 minutes straight

1 hour 30 minutes: Bloody nose, and i started hearing voices (Spirits I believe)

2 hours: Couldn't walk, and I had to crawl to my bed with voices in my head telling me to "Cut" people.

3 Hours: Worst headache ever!! (Thought i was gonna die)

4 hours: Just woke up and Im higher than fuck. Started writing this, the pain is gone, and i can't feel my body. Pupils are HUGE. Seeing geometric patterns, and everything around me is moving. I think Im dead, so someone please respond so i know Im alive. PLEASE!!


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23639864 - 09/12/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow sounds intense


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23639865 - 09/12/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're alive and posting


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23640058 - 09/12/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

3-5g should be a decent dose.

You've done over 20x the dosage of an already questionable hallucinogen so it's no surprise your nose was bleeding and you felt terrible.

I'm all for proper use of entheogens but what you've apparently done is clearly irresponsible.

I would call or visit a poison center if I where you because internal organs such as your liver or kidney could be ill affected by the amount of Ibotenic acid they've been exposed to.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23640524 - 09/13/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im happy you made it. Sounds like a crazy experience.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23640816 - 09/13/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Next time I would say stick to the psilocybin containing mushrooms. But I think you will be fine if you can post at this point.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23640847 - 09/13/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Could I get arrested If I made 200 grams into a gallon and poured the tea into shots and distribute it? I just went out today and have 4 trashbags full of A. Muscaria caps. 200 dried grams into a gallon, will 1 shot glass hit hard enough? Im thinking as advertising it as "Thug Juice"


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23640855 - 09/13/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

1 gallon = 3785 ml
3785 ml = 200 gram
1 ml = 0.0528 g
30 ml = 1.585 g

It would probably take multiple shot glasses to really feel the effects but its reasonable. This is assuming the tea you make actually pulls enough actives to do anything.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23642090 - 09/13/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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(Imagine the highest you've ever been x10.)





Even if it was just x2 I would have gone to the hospital right away.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23642582 - 09/13/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Could I get arrested If I made 200 grams into a gallon and poured the tea into shots and distribute it? I just went out today and have 4 trashbags full of A. Muscaria caps. 200 dried grams into a gallon, will 1 shot glass hit hard enough? Im thinking as advertising it as "Thug Juice"




As far as i know Amanitas are legal in all states except Louisiana. Not scheduled or regulated in any way. 



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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23642788 - 09/13/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Could I get arrested If I made 200 grams into a gallon and poured the tea into shots and distribute it? I just went out today and have 4 trashbags full of A. Muscaria caps. 200 dried grams into a gallon, will 1 shot glass hit hard enough? Im thinking as advertising it as "Thug Juice"




I don't think they're illegal to have in many places but with your level of management I wouldn't be surprised if you sent someone to hospital.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23643116 - 09/13/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You've done over 20x the dosage of an already questionable hallucinogen so it's no surprise your nose was bleeding and you felt terrible.




What do you mean questionable? amanita is not questionable when used in sane doses. What the OP has done is just stupidly irresponsible and he is lucky to be alive.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23643129 - 09/13/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's questionable because use of it isn't straight forward, unlike regular psilocybin containing magic mushrooms the Amanita Muscara needs to be boiled first and this fact alone makes it a questionable hallucinogen in comparison to a non-toxic mushroom.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23643152 - 09/13/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That isn't true, I have never boiled an amanita before and they work fine for me.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23643318 - 09/13/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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3-5g should be a decent dose.

You've done over 20x the dosage of an already questionable hallucinogen so it's no surprise your nose was bleeding and you felt terrible.

I'm all for proper use of entheogens but what you've apparently done is clearly irresponsible.

I would call or visit a poison center if I where you because internal organs such as your liver or kidney could be ill affected by the amount of Ibotenic acid they've been exposed to.




As I am getting older I am starting to think that the best drugs are the ones that are"idiot" proof like weed. There are going to be people who are going to take 20x the amount of whatever they should for anything. Its human nature.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23643432 - 09/13/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That isn't true, I have never boiled an amanita before and they work fine for me.




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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #23643626 - 09/14/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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sudly said:
3-5g should be a decent dose.

You've done over 20x the dosage of an already questionable hallucinogen so it's no surprise your nose was bleeding and you felt terrible.

I'm all for proper use of entheogens but what you've apparently done is clearly irresponsible.

I would call or visit a poison center if I where you because internal organs such as your liver or kidney could be ill affected by the amount of Ibotenic acid they've been exposed to.




As I am getting older I am starting to think that the best drugs are the ones that are"idiot" proof like weed. There are going to be people who are going to take 20x the amount of whatever they should for anything. Its human nature.




Weed isnt really idiot proof either. Ive seen people without tolerance smoke a giant bong rip and they flipped out so hard that we had to restrain them.

Not even caffeine is idiot proof because theres idiots who manage to overdose on caffeine powder.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23643637 - 09/14/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Not even caffeine is idiot proof because theres idiots who manage to overdose on caffeine powder.




It's at least 100X easier to overdose on caffeine than it is on marijuana.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23643656 - 09/14/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You drank a whole gallon of mushroom tea? Bullshit.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: howl] * 1
    #23643878 - 09/14/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You drank a whole gallon of anything? Bullshit!


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23643914 - 09/14/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Not even caffeine is idiot proof because theres idiots who manage to overdose on caffeine powder.




It's at least 100X easier to overdose on caffeine than it is on marijuana.




If youre talking about fatal overdoses yes but if youre talking about taking too much and freaking out no.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23643916 - 09/14/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe you at all


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23643929 - 09/14/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Post is quite clear, you're fine...

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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #23644746 - 09/14/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

god damn!

kinda shocked that dose didnt cause an OD


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23644925 - 09/14/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's questionable because use of it isn't straight forward, unlike regular psilocybin containing magic mushrooms the Amanita Muscara needs to be boiled first and this fact alone makes it a questionable hallucinogen in comparison to a non-toxic mushroom.




The OP wrote he used dried caps, and drying is all you need to make Amanitas less nauseous. Decarboxylation is the key, the same as with weed. Drying, either at roomtemp (xdays) or in hot oven (xhours).

Boiling would lead to inactive mushroom-goo. You drink the liquid to get the effects. Amanita tea is awesome btw.

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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23645687 - 09/14/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That isn't true, I have never boiled an amanita before and they work fine for me.




It's your life :deathrush:




Yeah its my life but that doesn't change my point, you don't need to boil amanita.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23645709 - 09/14/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're supposed to boil out the liver toxins..


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
    #23645724 - 09/14/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ive never heard such a claim before and Ive read multiple books on amanita.

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The primary active chemicals in both A. muscaria and A. pantherina are muscimol, ibotenic acid, and traces of muscarine.3,4,5 None of these chemicals are toxic to the liver at the doses present in these two mushrooms.6




https://erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info7.shtml


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23646167 - 09/14/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The intent wasn't to boil it but to simmer it below 80^c to remove impurities/toxins.

Then again,maybe it's not all that toxic.
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Ibotenic Acid - Toxicity Data: Oral LD50 (rat): 129 mg/kg; Oral LD50 (mouse): 38 mg/kg




Even so 20x the dose is dumb.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23646372 - 09/15/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



Yes you have to decarb the ibotenic acid but drying should be enough to do that IMO


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23647296 - 09/15/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You drank a whole gallon of anything? Bullshit!



My thoughts exactly....maybe trolling.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23647844 - 09/15/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You drank a whole gallon of anything? Bullshit!




I've been high as a kite, in the middle of the desert, in the hottest part of summer. I drank water quite often. I came close to drinking a gallon. And I was incredibly thirsty and constantly sweating. I took hikes and worked out even more.

You would have to have a pretty big stomach to down a gallon in under a couple hours. And if you got it all down, a purge would be imminent. I wouldn't even want to feel what a gallon of water inside me would be like, let alone a gallon of mushroom tea, especially aminita tea.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23649743 - 09/16/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Psilocypher said:
You drank a whole gallon of anything? Bullshit!




I've been high as a kite, in the middle of the desert, in the hottest part of summer. I drank water quite often. I came close to drinking a gallon. And I was incredibly thirsty and constantly sweating. I took hikes and worked out even more.

You would have to have a pretty big stomach to down a gallon in under a couple hours. And if you got it all down, a purge would be imminent. I wouldn't even want to feel what a gallon of water inside me would be like, let alone a gallon of mushroom tea, especially aminita tea.




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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23659902 - 09/19/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Weed isnt really idiot proof either. Ive seen people without tolerance smoke a giant bong rip and they flipped out so hard that we had to restrain them.

Not even caffeine is idiot proof because theres idiots who manage to overdose on caffeine powder.




I still feel that its pretty rare on weed to take too much and need restraining, Ive honestly never seen in. I have seen hallucinogen freak outs quite a bit. I honestly think it happens more frequently with hallucinogens.


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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
    #25352800 - 07/28/18 06:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

His voices likely meant he should do blood letting given its perhaps worst for liver and kidney.

Reckless, alas stupidity contributed to useful information.
This is a stupid amount especially in volume.

Wort mentioning that muscimol can work as an antidote in certain cases.

From wikipedia:
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However, temporary and permanent cognitive impairments have been shown to occur in long-term or heavy human users of the NMDA antagonists PCP and ketamine. A large-scale, longitudinal study found that current frequent ketamine users have modest cognitive deficits, while infrequent or former heavy users do not.[22] Many drugs have been found that lessen the risk of neurotoxicity from NMDA receptor antagonists. Centrally acting alpha 2 agonists such as clonidine and guanfacine are thought to most directly target the etiology of NMDA neurotoxicity. Other drugs acting on various neurotransmitter systems known to inhibit NMDA antagonist neurotoxicity include: anticholinergics, diazepam, barbiturates,[23] ethanol,[24] 5-HT2A serotonin receptor agonists,[25] and muscimol.[26]




So, quite frankly; only ever recorded fatalities seem to be children they're sure ate nothing else than bright red mushrooms with white spots. Calling bullshit on toxicity for a complex nervous system like humans, unless there are monkey trials or similar. Are however certain things infants are more prone to due to pruning and simmilar mechanism that happens up until about age 6. Therefore it's ibotenic acid that is suspect number one for children, which likely isn't a big deal for adults, likely to the contrary; may serve a similar function to THC/CBN/CBD -- meaning it depends, and too much is never good.


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