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howsyournaggerdoin
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
#23643914 - 09/14/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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howsyournaggerdoin said: Not even caffeine is idiot proof because theres idiots who manage to overdose on caffeine powder.
It's at least 100X easier to overdose on caffeine than it is on marijuana.
If youre talking about fatal overdoses yes but if youre talking about taking too much and freaking out no.
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I don't believe you at all
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: xzylocybin]
#23643929 - 09/14/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Post is quite clear, you're fine...
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
#23644746 - 09/14/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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god damn!
kinda shocked that dose didnt cause an OD
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
#23644925 - 09/14/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sudly said: It's questionable because use of it isn't straight forward, unlike regular psilocybin containing magic mushrooms the Amanita Muscara needs to be boiled first and this fact alone makes it a questionable hallucinogen in comparison to a non-toxic mushroom.
The OP wrote he used dried caps, and drying is all you need to make Amanitas less nauseous. Decarboxylation is the key, the same as with weed. Drying, either at roomtemp (xdays) or in hot oven (xhours).
Boiling would lead to inactive mushroom-goo. You drink the liquid to get the effects. Amanita tea is awesome btw.
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
#23645687 - 09/14/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: That isn't true, I have never boiled an amanita before and they work fine for me.
It's your life 
Yeah its my life but that doesn't change my point, you don't need to boil amanita.
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Peyote Road]
#23645709 - 09/14/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're supposed to boil out the liver toxins..
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly]
#23645724 - 09/14/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive never heard such a claim before and Ive read multiple books on amanita.
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The primary active chemicals in both A. muscaria and A. pantherina are muscimol, ibotenic acid, and traces of muscarine.3,4,5 None of these chemicals are toxic to the liver at the doses present in these two mushrooms.6
https://erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info7.shtml
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Peyote Road]
#23646167 - 09/14/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The intent wasn't to boil it but to simmer it below 80^c to remove impurities/toxins.
Then again,maybe it's not all that toxic.
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Ibotenic Acid - Toxicity Data: Oral LD50 (rat): 129 mg/kg; Oral LD50 (mouse): 38 mg/kg
Even so 20x the dose is dumb.
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howsyournaggerdoin
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: sudly] 1
#23646372 - 09/15/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes you have to decarb the ibotenic acid but drying should be enough to do that IMO
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Psilocypher]
#23647296 - 09/15/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocypher said: You drank a whole gallon of anything? Bullshit!
My thoughts exactly....maybe trolling.
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Psilocypher]
#23647844 - 09/15/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocypher said: You drank a whole gallon of anything? Bullshit!
I've been high as a kite, in the middle of the desert, in the hottest part of summer. I drank water quite often. I came close to drinking a gallon. And I was incredibly thirsty and constantly sweating. I took hikes and worked out even more.
You would have to have a pretty big stomach to down a gallon in under a couple hours. And if you got it all down, a purge would be imminent. I wouldn't even want to feel what a gallon of water inside me would be like, let alone a gallon of mushroom tea, especially aminita tea.
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: Supachopped719]
#23649743 - 09/16/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocypher said: You drank a whole gallon of anything? Bullshit!
I've been high as a kite, in the middle of the desert, in the hottest part of summer. I drank water quite often. I came close to drinking a gallon. And I was incredibly thirsty and constantly sweating. I took hikes and worked out even more.
You would have to have a pretty big stomach to down a gallon in under a couple hours. And if you got it all down, a purge would be imminent. I wouldn't even want to feel what a gallon of water inside me would be like, let alone a gallon of mushroom tea, especially aminita tea.
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howsyournaggerdoin said:
Weed isnt really idiot proof either. Ive seen people without tolerance smoke a giant bong rip and they flipped out so hard that we had to restrain them.
Not even caffeine is idiot proof because theres idiots who manage to overdose on caffeine powder.
I still feel that its pretty rare on weed to take too much and need restraining, Ive honestly never seen in. I have seen hallucinogen freak outs quite a bit. I honestly think it happens more frequently with hallucinogens.
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Re: 117 dried grams of amanita muscaria tea aftermath [Re: freightmare]
#25352800 - 07/28/18 06:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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His voices likely meant he should do blood letting given its perhaps worst for liver and kidney.
Reckless, alas stupidity contributed to useful information. This is a stupid amount especially in volume.
Wort mentioning that muscimol can work as an antidote in certain cases.
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However, temporary and permanent cognitive impairments have been shown to occur in long-term or heavy human users of the NMDA antagonists PCP and ketamine. A large-scale, longitudinal study found that current frequent ketamine users have modest cognitive deficits, while infrequent or former heavy users do not.[22] Many drugs have been found that lessen the risk of neurotoxicity from NMDA receptor antagonists. Centrally acting alpha 2 agonists such as clonidine and guanfacine are thought to most directly target the etiology of NMDA neurotoxicity. Other drugs acting on various neurotransmitter systems known to inhibit NMDA antagonist neurotoxicity include: anticholinergics, diazepam, barbiturates,[23] ethanol,[24] 5-HT2A serotonin receptor agonists,[25] and muscimol.[26]
So, quite frankly; only ever recorded fatalities seem to be children they're sure ate nothing else than bright red mushrooms with white spots. Calling bullshit on toxicity for a complex nervous system like humans, unless there are monkey trials or similar. Are however certain things infants are more prone to due to pruning and simmilar mechanism that happens up until about age 6. Therefore it's ibotenic acid that is suspect number one for children, which likely isn't a big deal for adults, likely to the contrary; may serve a similar function to THC/CBN/CBD -- meaning it depends, and too much is never good.
Edited by breidaklikk (07/28/18 06:46 PM)
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