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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23639296 - 09/12/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person."





I don't know if that quote really applies here lol. I don't think anyone here is "stupid" or irrational just a simple disagreement between two people.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639301 - 09/12/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I like that quote, but also I feel like humans, certain mushrooms grow different characteristics based on location and somehow azurescens and cyans have become more potent over generations and generations, they also don't grow off the same substrate, it's a different sub species, as humans, we aren't different sub species. (Or are we?) :wink:



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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23640506 - 09/13/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

2 grams dry in a safe nature spot.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: magisk]
    #23640665 - 09/13/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you guys have any experience with Golden Teachers? :smile:




Yes, I grow them too, have shared with friends, tripped alone in the dark, with my wife in the dark also as well as sharing with friends in the wilderness, etc. All potent trips, very potent from low to high doses.

My two cents:

- For first times 2.5 grams dose each is well sufficient with this strain. Golden Teachers is a strong strain and with that you will have sufficient.

- About the weed, depends your tolerance. Weed sometimes potentiates, sometimes it makes the trip more dull and foggy. This changes, is not the same for everybody and even not for every trip. During come up, I would say smoke some weed, but no bongs, no dabbing and no hashish (meaning, just aim for a buzz and the "peace" zone with weed for your come up. I would say don't smoke on the trip, this is up to you. I had one shroom trip (alone) where I vaporized some weed and the trip was dull, but it could be other stuff. In other trip, same homegrown from the spore Golden Teachers, with friends, we smoked joint after joint after joint for the entire trip, and it was awesome (dosed 3.5 grams of golden teachers each, I normally do 5.5, but a shaman spirit I connect with said that we all should do 3.5 gram doses instead the ones I initially planned.

- I normally do 5.5 grams and did 3.5 here and was awesome. More is not always better, it depends. Make sure to have some good tunes, but you both might not need a lot of them. We ended up listing to 4-7 tracks where five were Dub and 1-2 Reggae hahaha. (We did not even noticed it were the same songs.)

- If you guys plan to have sex (and this depends to each) try to during come up. Once time with my wife, I was already starting to peak and almost forgot I was having sex (held the erection though) I had to fight my mind to finish, my wife also had a very hard time to finish. Others have enhanced sex, it is up to each, but best bet is sex during come up (I am not into sex on shrooms but maybe you guys wanna try.)

- Easy access to a bottle of water,as well as to the toilet (you might pee a lot) vomiting is not common on shrooms, so it is mainly to pee. Walking from wherever you are, to the toilet will take several hours (mushroom dilated time) and if you can avoid climbing stairs, etc, great. Otherwise, it will feel like a lifetime to go pee, lol.

- Have whole foods around. Junk food tastes like cardboard (Secret Stash anyone? Buy them at Trader Joe's. You might have a laugh, has a funny picture with a funny looking thief, but on shrooms, they taste gross, yummy otherwise haha.)

- Avoid cell phones, computers, etc. You both want to be "off grid" for 9 hours or more, that way you will have plenty of time before and after the trip, without worrying about if the trip extends (or you believe it does.) Notify people you both will be "out of commission" for the entire day and night.

- If you (or your BF) play any MMORPG or other online games, remember, shrooms destroy the ego... takes a click to destroy an ultra rare item (like any other) in those games... That valuable shining axe you own and love will be the first to go if you can easily do it. The shrooms will tell you that said axe is worthless for what is truly valuable in our existence. This did not happen to me, because I was aware I was going to want my "little" shiny axe to play next day. Sure I did... but eventually (two years ago) I quit them game, but I would have got pissed if I destroyed the axe, lol.

- Have a benzo on hand. Is good and safe to have an eject button.

- If no benzo available, have a mojito or something with hard liquor. Alcohol won't kill the trip, but it will "stun your mind" and will "fog" the entire trip, something good if things go south.

- Have a voice recorder somewhere plugged to the charger (your phone IN AIRPLANE MODE will be great for this) and have the recorder on. You both want to comment the trip, during the trip. This way, it will be easier to recall the trip.

- Ideally (if you are self employed is easier) do not work the day BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the shrooms. This will give deeper peace of mind and enhance your bliss because "I don't have to work tomorrow." This is just a mental placebo, but it makes a huge impact, especially with psychedelics.
If not possible, try to have your trip on your first day off and next day off you will rest.
If not possible, try to at least have the morning off for the next day (and trip on your day off.)
Other (starting to get worse) combination is to work morning, trip late evening and day off next day. (Expect cleansing static from work and having work "dirt" in your trip.
If you only have one day off at a time and the next day you work mornings, then trip in the morning of that day off (may your breakfast be the shrooms and orange juice :mushroom2:)
If you have less off time than this, please dont trip and wait for holidays. It's worth the wait and not worth the rush.

- Ask to whatever/whoever you believe (god, jesus, zeus, shiva, spirit guides, deceased family, ET beings, elemental beings, mother earth, some dead pharaoh, your higher self or even your tunes) to protect you and aid you during the trip.

- Set the intention to have a blast.

- FLY.

I hope this helpa.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23641333 - 09/13/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for the reply !
Would it be okay if I had just a light meal during the day? My blood pressure tends to get low and I don't wanna end up passing out ..
What you described with "being stuck" between tripping and not tripping is exactly what I meant, I'm gonna take 2g, I hope the anxiety won't be too bad. I've taken mdma a few times and that made me extremely anxious during the come up and also waves of anxiety after it "kicked in", that was uncomfortable as fuck! But worth it in some weird way lol.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23641338 - 09/13/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've done mdma a few times, since I've never done shrooms it's impossible for me to know if those two things can even be compared in any way, but how people have described the "high" from shrooms sounds pretty familiar to me. Like being happy for no apparent reason you know? So I'm pretty sure I can handle that feeling but I have no idea if my boyfriend can.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #23641394 - 09/13/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the reply I really appreciate it, wow!:laugh:
Oh nooo shrooms make you pee? The bathroom is aaallll the way up stairs, that's gonna suck hahahahah!
You seem pretty experienced, a lot of people has told me to trip outside, but unfortunately I don't think we'll be able to do that. We don't really live far away from the beach for example but the thing that scares me is that we'd have to walk for what seems like ages if one of us starts to feel uncomfortable in any way. So we're planning to just do it in the house, it's pretty cosy in here, we have a big flat screen tv and we're planning to watch that show on Netflix called planet earth, light some candles, gather a bunch of blankets and pillows, we have a few plants, and we have a bunch of fairy lights (I have no idea if that's the right word, English isn't my first language but google translate told me it's called fairy lights lol) does that sound like an okay place to trip in? Even if it gets claustrophobic we have a little garden where we can sit and watch the stars.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: magisk]
    #23641427 - 09/13/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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magisk said:
thanks for the reply !
Would it be okay if I had just a light meal during the day? My blood pressure tends to get low and I don't wanna end up passing out ..
What you described with "being stuck" between tripping and not tripping is exactly what I meant, I'm gonna take 2g, I hope the anxiety won't be too bad. I've taken mdma a few times and that made me extremely anxious during the come up and also waves of anxiety after it "kicked in", that was uncomfortable as fuck! But worth it in some weird way lol.



honestly if mdma (if it was truly mdma) gave you anxiety, mushrooms are going to be fucking heavy.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23641437 - 09/13/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well fuck .. Now I'm kinda scared haha. But at least since then I've gotten a lot better at controlling my anxiety, taking deep breaths and focusing on something else helps, even just smiling helps a lot.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: magisk]
    #23641482 - 09/13/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mdma is stimulanty, I know I won't like it is why I've never tried it, mushrooms don't keep you awake, they are more sedative and dreamy, there's always come up anxiety on big enough doses, mushrooms take away my anxiety though, so you don't have anything to worry about. You will have anxiety at one point, there's nothing u can do but ride through, CBD works wonders. I never experience any anxiety with cbd

I feel like you're building up too much expectation at this point, which is the worse idea. Go into the experience with an open mind, not expecting anything.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23641715 - 09/13/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

2 grams should give you most of the major effects of mushrooms without being too overwhelming (or underwhelming) in intensity (unless you're sensitive). All the research in the world does not prepare you for the effects.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #23642055 - 09/13/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Golden Teachers is a strong strain and with that you will have sufficient.




This is true however I disagree with what you said about no hash or dabs. I find smoked flower has way more of a chance to cloudy up the experience. To me and others hash is a much cleaner less hazy/cloudy high. The reason I think people get this twisted is because it's too easy to take too much hash at once (especially when dabbing) so people come away with this notion that they'll do everything weed does but more intense however this isn't true and the highs are totally different. If you actually take weed, hash/dabs in equal amounts to each other you will see that smoked flower is a much cloudier experience and can often really dull things. I feel smoked flower is way more prone to paranoia, confusion, derealization ect.

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magisk said:  thanks for the reply !
Would it be okay if I had just a light meal during the day? My blood pressure tends to get low and I don't wanna end up passing out ..
What you described with "being stuck" between tripping and not tripping is exactly what I meant, I'm gonna take 2g, I hope the anxiety won't be too bad. I've taken mdma a few times and that made me extremely anxious during the come up and also waves of anxiety after it "kicked in", that was uncomfortable as fuck! But worth it in some weird way lol.




Ya if you have blood pressure problems you can eat like 5 or 6 hours before hand but I would keep it to that. It's because mushrooms can lower blood pressure quite a bit especially mixed with weed. This is why many people pass out while smoking weed on shrooms because it will just really lower their blood pressure but either way it's not like this is dangerous people typically just pass out for a few seconds at the most.

Yea MDMA can be kind of weird but in a very different way. People get "preflight" jitters often times before MDMA really hits them and this can give anxiety but it's almost like an amphetamine anxiety. Mushrooms can give 'anxiety' on the come up but calling it "anxiety" almost isn't the right word because it's not like a hyperactive thing that you can get with weed or MDMA it's more of a like an ominous pessimistic attitude or a feeling of something big coming, sometimes it can feel like impending doom (in a non physical sense) but it's very different from MDMA anxiety if you even do get it.

Mushrooms are only anxious on the come up though but your first trip it might not even happen at all. I remember my first time coming up on shrooms I felt extremely neutral, I guess I was just excited to be feeling anything at all but now I get anxious coming up. I think the anxiety during the come up stages tends to only happen to people who have taken mushrooms before. I would say it gets harder and harder each time so ideally your first go (if you do it right) should be one of your easiest.

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MysticMoteToter said: honestly if mdma (if it was truly mdma) gave you anxiety, mushrooms are going to be fucking heavy.




Not necessarily true. The anxiety from MDMA is very different not to mention you can die from MDMA and that alone gives some people anxiety. Just like what we discussed earlier with weed, how someone reacts to other drugs is not an indication of how well they will handle mushrooms.

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Eclipse3130 said: mushrooms don't keep you awake




I disagree. They most definitely keep you awake. One time me and my friend ate them when we were extremely tired literally about to fall asleep and then as soon as they kicked in we weren't even remotely tried. We were insane.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23642246 - 09/13/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I meant in the sense of stimulant, I always feel like sleeping on mushrooms and I close my eyes and dream most of my trips


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23642286 - 09/13/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol I wish I could do that. They give me an overwhelming sense of mental wakefulness. Just mental though not physical.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23642355 - 09/13/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

One time I got so tired I had to just fall over on my bed I couldn't move haha. Pure sedative for me for some reason, it feels like I'm dreaming and or consciously dreaming, especially when I meditate for 2 hours staight with my eyes closed and peak in the middle, imagine not having your eyes open for 2 hours and open them up as your 2 hours deep meditating and in the middle of your peak, it's insane. I felt as if I was in some higher dimension and it wasn't possible to see this reality, so I had to close my eyes again and slowly float back down to this dimension if that makes any sense


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23642422 - 09/13/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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imagine not having your eyes open for 2 hours and open them up as your 2 hours deep meditating and in the middle of your peak




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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23642666 - 09/13/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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One time I got so tired I had to just fall over on my bed I couldn't move haha. Pure sedative for me for some reason, it feels like I'm dreaming and or consciously dreaming, especially when I meditate for 2 hours staight with my eyes closed and peak in the middle, imagine not having your eyes open for 2 hours and open them up as your 2 hours deep meditating and in the middle of your peak, it's insane. I felt as if I was in some higher dimension and it wasn't possible to see this reality, so I had to close my eyes again and slowly float back down to this dimension if that makes any sense




Thanks for the idea... I'll have to try that :grin:


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Shroomyhead]
    #23643280 - 09/13/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I honestly would say one gram dry to get your foot in the door. this will give you a taste for what the drug is going to do to you without  pushing you too far (probably). You can always take more next time. 2 grams can be intense if you are sensitive. Right now you don't even know how sensitive you are. I have seen full meltdowns on less than 2 grams before.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #23643729 - 09/14/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think 1.5g is a nice starting dose, it wouldn't be too overwhelming but at the same time it'd be something to remember. But in saying that, if your confidence builds up you can push it up around 2.5-3 grams, my first trip was on about 3.5 grams, and I loved it!:mushroom2:


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23643769 - 09/14/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If we start off eating 1.5 but we wanna eat more can we just eat the last .5 or would that not work? How long should we wait?


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