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Re: Noob dose? [Re: SoloTrip]
    #23638182 - 09/12/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All mushrooms you buy on the street (cubensis mainly) are all generally the same potency, the name is just the strain(physical caracteristics)

I only recommend tea because I personally don't like the taste, tea shortens the trip, but works by condensing it, producing the effect of it working faster (more intense)

Comparably when you eat them vs drink generally it's a lot slower experience. What you will experience on 2g in general is enhanced mood, euphoria, openness, universal connection, minor morphing and bending visuals, revelations and thoughts from the subconscious moving to the forefront of your mind it usually doesn't go much deeper than that. A few "wow, ah hah" moments

The feeling is very natural like weed, it feels like it's suppose to be happening, nothing to be scared of at all. Respected, yes.
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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23638338 - 09/12/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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All mushrooms you buy on the street (cubensis mainly) are all generally the same potency, the name is just the strain(physical caracteristics)




^^^^ shit advice imo, genetics play a huge role in potency, i've got some like my redboy where 1.5-2g is solid but i've had other batches where 3-4gs was underwhelming.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23638417 - 09/12/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes spores are not stable.  A huge variation in one print.  It's like a batch of cannabis seeds that are all over the place.  One reason to not do multi-spore from a pool of several reasons.

Cash croppers like homogenous and predictable.  Kids fool'n around roll the dice and take their genetic chances.  A score is a score to a newbie.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: magisk]
    #23638766 - 09/12/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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while other people say it's important to have food in your stomach




This is complete BS and whoever told you that or wherever you heard that from they can absolutely not be trusted. You're going to want to fast before you do the mushrooms and 6 to 8 hours is perfect so you're already on the right track.

I usually recommend 2 or 2.5 grams to noobs. I would not recommend 1 gram or low doses in general to a first timer because it will usually just be too weird, especially with mushroom in particular. Mushrooms can be an extremely difficult psychedelic to discern when it comes to analyzing the actual experience. Its messages become much clearer the more the dosage is raised. I only recommend a 1 gram dose to people who either are really anxious or people who just can't handle drugs very well. I would take 2.5 grams if I were you, just don't take any less than 2 grams though because that will be strange. 1 gram will most definitely not be overwhelming, this isn't weed it's not what you think it is.


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I'm so confused lol. I have anxiety and I've heard that doing low doses will give you a lot of anxiety and it won't go away like it would if you did a higher dose, is that true? And would you recommend smoking weed or should we wait with that until we've done shrooms a few times?




That first part is actually in a way true. I wish someone had told me that before I got into these things but ya generally that's true. I wouldn't say they give "tons" of anxiety but taking a small dose like 1 gram or 1.5 grams can be harder to handle than even 3.5 or 4 grams because on a low dose you often feel caught or even "trapped" in between 2 different worlds/realities. It's like you have 1 foot in this reality and the other foot in some other reality. If you take sufficiently enough you will completely be pushed into this other transdimensional world or realm and feel completely in it. When you're on a low dose people have the tendency to "try an hold on" and continue to grasp onto this normal reality, at these levels you naturally try to fight it more whereas in the 3, 4 and 5 gram range you can no longer really fight it off you just have to let it do its thing.

That's why I recommend a medium dose for your first like 2 times and then you can go try a lower dose when you're more experienced and can handle yourself. Most people think it would be the other way around but it's not.

You can smoke weed towards the end of the trip but I would most definitely wait until after the peak. Weed will make things a lot more psychedelic. You can even take a toke or 2 when you first start feeling it to eliminate nausea if you have any but seriously anymore than a toke or two will probably greatly cloud the experience and you will deeply regret it afterwards.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: magisk]
    #23638799 - 09/12/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wanna be able to calm my boyfriend down if he doesn't like the feeling, he's never done any drugs besides weed so I have no idea how he's gonna react




Okay....?

That's probably the case for most people. Besides molly and occasionally LSD what other drugs after weed do most people try before shrooms? I mean I would understand your worry if he had never even smoked weed or drank alcohol but if he's smoked some weed before what's the problem?

That kind of implies that you've done more drugs yourself. What drugs have you done?


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: magisk]
    #23638821 - 09/12/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you ever tried doing just 2g, do you know what effects it has? Like will we see colors and patterns or just feel high? And thanks for replying, I really appreciate it!




Sorry to keep posting but I just had to once more lol..

Hopefully you don't think all shrooms are are just some colors and patterns. It isn't "just 2 gs" 2 grams is an average/good dose if your mushrooms are decent quality. 2 grams can easily be very life changing and powerful.

To me mushrooms and LSD feels like the farthest possible thing from a "high"
I don't even really understand how people can call that a "high"


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23638860 - 09/12/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wanna be able to calm my boyfriend down if he doesn't like the feeling, he's never done any drugs besides weed so I have no idea how he's gonna react




Okay....?

That's probably the case for most people. Besides molly and occasionally LSD what other drugs after weed do most people try before shrooms? I mean I would understand your worry if he had never even smoked weed or drank alcohol but if he's smoked some weed before what's the problem?

That kind of implies that you've done more drugs yourself. What drugs have you done?



someones ability to handle weed has absolutely no fucking correlation with their ability to handle shrooms, the people who think being high on weed is "trippy" would have their throat ripped through their asshole by a real psychedelic experience even if they were an everyday stoner.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23638905 - 09/12/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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someones ability to handle weed has absolutely no fucking correlation with their ability to handle shrooms, the people who think being high on weed is "trippy" would have their throat ripped through their asshole by a real psychedelic experience even if they were an everyday stoner.




I completely agree I was just wondering what the OP was even getting at because she made it seem like most people try other drugs before shrooms and she kind implied that she herself did too. But ya what you say is true, I know people who can handle acid fine but can't even handle weed.

I do think weed is "trippy" though regardless and I don't think calling weed trippy downplays shrooms in anyway because it's two totally different kinds of trippy. The same can be said for 2C-B. If someone thinks 2C-B is trippy they should try mushrooms.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23638962 - 09/12/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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All mushrooms you buy on the street (cubensis mainly) are all generally the same potency, the name is just the strain(physical caracteristics)




^^^^ shit advice imo, genetics play a huge role in potency, i've got some like my redboy where 1.5-2g is solid but i've had other batches where 3-4gs was underwhelming.




I was saying Cubensis strains don't effect potency, it must of went right over your head. Genetics yes, you can have a lot of different genetics in the same strain. I was trying to clear up people thinking certain strains are stronger than others, when really it's not true, they all have the *genetic potential* to be of a certain, general maximum potency. This excludes the one and only penis envy.

If you had one batch that was stronger than the next it's because of multispore genetics not because certain strains are better, or how they were grown even. To have consistent potent mushrooms you need to clone


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639187 - 09/12/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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This excludes the one and only penis envy.

If you had one batch that was stronger than the next it's because of multispore genetics not because certain strains are better, or how they were grown even. To have consistent potent mushrooms you need to clone



have you actually grown PE yourself? PE can be strong af or extremly bunk. Like you said, you need a good clone to have stable genetics. Genetics still are entirely variable regardless if it's penis envy.....and dude, even clones can be bunk, all a clone does is ensure that all the mushrooms have relatively the same genetics. Common theme......it's all genetics.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23639228 - 09/12/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Penis envy have the *potential* to be stronger than the next strongest cubensis strain. No shit one could be bunk, the next could be potent that's multispore genetics :lol:


A clone does ensure of whichever mushroom you used to clone, they will have the same genetics and yes potency comes with this if you have potent mushroom cloned, all of them will be the same potency by weight.


Don't really know where your going with this I think we both know every mushroom is different, what you may not know though is that every cubensis mushroom excluding penis envy have a genetic limit, they can't become as strong as Azurescens randomly, and you can't find golden teachers that are stronger than the most potent penis envy, that's just how it works so no its not "entirely variable" there is a limit to the potency of the species.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639240 - 09/12/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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what you may not know though is that every cubensis mushroom excluding penis envy have a genetic limit, they can't become as strong as Azurescens randomly, so no its not "entirely variable"



dude, do you even grow mushrooms? "they can't become as strong as Azurescens randomly" that is exactly how they become more potent, it's genetic variability. And i've never had the privelage to find azzies but like i said, my redboy clone 1.5-2gs can blow your nuts off. Probably not as potent as azures but much more potent than your average cube..

edit: can you give us the link where you read that cubes have a "potency cap"...


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23639243 - 09/12/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"There is a limit to the genetic potency potential of cubensis"

You can't grow cubensis to ever be as strong as the strongest Azurescens by weight I think you're missing that

Your red boy clone is stronger than most multispore grows, that's how a clone should be. Your red boy clone can never be as potent as 2 grams of potent azurescens. Do you get the point? Lol


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639252 - 09/12/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'll take a reliably good time over potency any day of the year.  Bad times simply are not worth the heroics!

Sure, I could try and down the most lethal amount of whatever at a college party.  Means nothing worth a shit in the long run.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639253 - 09/12/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"There is a limit to the genetic potency potential of cubensis"

You can't grow cubensis to ever be as strong as the strongest Azurescens by weight I think you're missing that

Your red boy clone is stronger than most multispore grows, that's how a clone should be. Your red boy clone can never be as potent as 2 grams of potent azurescens. Do you get the point? Lol



True, but bet the RB is better than some azures forsure. but look at your post stats, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/percent.php?who=312467 spend more time in mush cult before you start speaking like you know you can't get cubes to rival the potency of azures.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639267 - 09/12/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't take a lot of posts to understand man, you can't see how much I've read. I've successfully grown cubensis as well as outdoor psilocybe cyanescens

You don't need a link to understand genetic potential..look at cannabis strains for example pretty easy to understand, say you have a purple kush plant, that particular plant can only become so potent, it can only reach its maximum potency by genetic potential of what it was bred with. You can't take random seeds and come out with 30% thc, it has to have the genetic potential to produce that much in the first place.

Cubensis don't have the genetic potential to be as strong as the strongest mushrooms in the world. Their genetics aren't there.

I know for a fact you can't get cubensis to the potency of the strongest Azurescens by weight,it's just not in the genetics. Just like you can't grow 7 and a half feet tall, your mushrooms aren't as strong as strong azurescens or cyanescens.


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639277 - 09/12/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I know for a fact you can't get cubensis to the potency of the strongest Azurescens by weight,it's just not in the genetics. Just like you can't grow 7 and a half feet tall, your mushrooms aren't as strong as strong azurescens or cyanescens.



we will agree to disagree....... Robert Wadlow, tallest human recorded at 8'11"

If Hitchhikers guide taught me anything its nothing is impossible, only improbable (;

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Re: Noob dose? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23639279 - 09/12/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was talking about you, individually. But nice link. I do ponder the idea that maybe in a small chance under a point of a percentile that a certain cubensis mushroom can become more potent than their general genetic potential. If so, it hasn't been recorded yet


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639286 - 09/12/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I was talking about you, individually. But nice link. I do ponder the idea that maybe in a small chance under a point of a percentile that a certain cubensis mushroom can become more potent than their general genetic potential. If so, it hasn't been recorded yet



b/c who tf is publicly recording the felonies they commit......


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Re: Noob dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23639292 - 09/12/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I like that quote, but also I feel like humans, certain mushrooms grow different characteristics based on location and somehow azurescens and cyans have become more potent over generations and generations, they also don't grow off the same substrate, it's a different sub species, as humans, we aren't different sub species. (Or are we?) :wink:

Edit: hint I'm an alien


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