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bucket tek ?
    #23637838 - 09/12/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If I add 1qt cow poo to the coir/verm mix can I pastuerize my sub via bucket tek... Something tells me it will work, I just want to see if anyone has done this and it worked properly.....don't want to waste anything if it can be avoided


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23637870 - 09/12/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The bucket is for CVG only, it is more like partial sterilization than pastureization which is fine for coir but not poo. Manure, straw ect needs to be properly pasteurized. If you want to mix poo with bucket tek'd Coir, the poo has to be properly pasturized seperatly then mixed later.


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23637881 - 09/12/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks man.....I’m going to be trying to grow some pan cyans soon....just a little intimidated by proper pasteurization....I've read Frank's proper pasteurization tek....I guess I've got to learn


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23637920 - 09/12/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

load jar(s) of poo
tap jar(s) slightly to make sure substrate is evenly but slightly compacted
cover with foil (rings optional)
stick probe in one
water no more than halfway up jarsinPC
turn on heat medium-high
wait for 15f temp rise from probe or when PC water starts simmering, whichever comes first
turn off heat, keep lid on
check back in 20-30 minutes.
140-160 1-2hours

thats the gist^^^u can do it
frank has good pictures if ur in doubt


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23637926 - 09/12/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Right on. Frank's is awesome, works great and you'll be suprised how easy it is once you try it.  I recommend one of those digital thermometers with the probe and lead they are very handy. 14$ at Walmart I believe.


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23637981 - 09/12/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks guys I'll definently give it a go


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23637983 - 09/12/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do I use dry poo or at field capacity?


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23637993 - 09/12/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

add water to dried poo until field capacity then load jars:thumbup:


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23638209 - 09/12/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cool thanks for the info guys


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23638275 - 09/12/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Something I've been doing that seems to work well is preheating my water. I'll get the water up to about 150 and use the hot water to hydrate the poo/verm. The purpose is to save time. I dump the hot water into my dry mixed poo/verm (in a 5 gallon bucket), put the lid on, and let sit for 20-30 minutes, then mix again. By the time the substrate gets loaded into jars, it's between 120 and 130 degrees. I start my clock when core temp hits 135. I have some tubs that look about ready to pop and I'll post more on it once I get fruits.

The big benefit to this besides speed is that there's less chance of overcooking the outer substrate. If you keep the water at about 160 the substrate heats pretty uniformly, and no part of the substrate exceeds 160 degrees. The next tub I spawn I'm gonna try cooking the substrate in an old spawn bag instead of half gallon jars.


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23638282 - 09/12/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's absolutely fine to overcook the outside. that's why we aim for core temperatures and let it get back to room temperature naturally so that thermophiles colonize back outwards towards the outside of the jars or bags.


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23638291 - 09/12/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm gonna get one of those digital thermometer with a probe....as and suggested.....seems a hell of a lot easier than using an old school meat thermometer


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23638302 - 09/12/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

analog or digital work fine
but a thermometer is junk if it doesn't have an NSF seal on it and it's junk if you don't calibrate it every other week or so.

I use the KM14


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23638309 - 09/12/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've been using my analog one to keep track of temps in my mini fridge I keep my cultures in


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23638326 - 09/12/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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it's absolutely fine to overcook the outside. that's why we aim for core temperatures and let it get back to room temperature naturally so that thermophiles colonize back outwards towards the outside of the jars or bags.




Thermal death temp for actinomyces is around 167f. If you don't kill it, then you don't have to let it recolonize. If you get it just hot enough to kill mold spores and activate the already present actinomyces endospores, you're being much kinder to the substrate and saving yourself some serious time.

But, I'm not going to argue the point any further until I have pics of nice tubs to back it up.


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23638354 - 09/12/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you have to let it cool to room temperature anyway :shrug: and your substrate is better off cooked. There's a reason no one's tried to solve a non existent problem by gently pasteurizing and not worrying about just the core temperature. I know you've over thought it but there's literally 1000s of pictures of amazing tubs backing up pasteurization where the outside gets "over heated". if anything you'll just prove that your way also is another way to slice the cake.


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23638383 - 09/12/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you have to let it cool to room temperature anyway :shrug: and your substrate is better off cooked. There's a reason no one's tried to solve a non existent problem by gently pasteurizing and not worrying about just the core temperature. I know you've over thought it but there's literally 1000s of pictures of amazing tubs backing up pasteurization where the outside gets "over heated". if anything you'll just prove that your way also is another way to slice the cake.




Here's the fun part. I've been cooling it in front of my flowhood. If I'm right and my way leaves all the thermophiles intact, then you could cool it with a fan too. I did one tub this way and it's home free at this point, so I did 3 more the same way. If all four tubs come out nicely, then my way is much, much quicker. I'm not to the results and conclusion phase of this yet though so this is nothing more than idle discussion and speculation, but if it works, well, I'm all about getting that cake sliced up a little faster :cool:


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23638388 - 09/12/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If it lets you quick cool then it's interesting to me


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Re: bucket tek ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23638451 - 09/12/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If it lets you quick cool then it's interesting to me




Yeah that's my goal. For these past tubs it's taken around 3 hours from the time I turn on the stove to the time the tub is spawned and taped up. I really want to try it in spawn bags so I can pasteurize multiple tubs in one go, but I've been doing half gallon jars since I'm familiar with them. I put the first tub into fruiting 3 days ago and it looks perfect, so I should have results in a few more days. At this rate I'll call it a failure if I get trich and a success if I get a nice flush, but I'm doing multiple tubs just in case the first one is a fluke.


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