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Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics)
    #23637775 - 09/12/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hi, Im pretty pretty new in this, so please forgive me in advance if this is not the right forum,
I have recently acquired some spores from a friend (unknown strain),
I have used the PF-Tek to make a small cake, and got a successful but very small grow out of it,

After harvest, I put the small cake into a pot and covered it with some good gardening soil,
I kept the whole pot inside a growing bag which was kept humid by a layer of perlite at the bottom,

after a week the mycelium network started to spread to the whole pot and few days later I started to see the pin heads coming out, to my surprise in less than 3 days the pin heads grew significantly and I was able to harvest a quite big harvest.

My first question is, could anyone please help me identify this particular strain? Potency? Etc.

Second question, is growing mushrooms in gardening soil ok? Does it affect the potency in anyway? Are there any harms involved (which affects the harvest, making it not suitable for consuming)?

Third question, is it a problem that I was unable to pick them at the right time and the caps are now fully open? What happens to the soil underneath now that the caps opened? Would it ruin the substraite now?

Any help would be highly appreciated,
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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23637810 - 09/12/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I dont think there really is any way to identify a strain through pictures.
Growing shrooms in soil will not affect potency. And what stage you pick your mushrooms at has no relation to the soil whatsoever unless you dropped spores on it which still doesnt matter


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23637816 - 09/12/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you already have perlite, then you should have just made a SGFC. Even though what you did worked, you would have got a larger harvest with a SGFC or spawning to bulk. I don't see any associated risks with the potting soil. And I doubt it would effect potency.

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For even better results:
Look into PF to bulk. It's the process of letting your cakes fully colonizing, birthing them, dunking them, and then crumbling into a bulk substrate such as pasteurized coir, Verm, and gypsum (commonly referred to as CVG). You could have also laid a layer of Verm down, cut your cakes into slices and like the colonized slices on top of the Verm, along with crumbling so to fill any gaps, and then sprinkling more Verm on top of those slices.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: just_curious]
    #23637836 - 09/12/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

GT for the strain?? Idk, cubes of some sort. Definitely active so I wouldn't worry about wondering if they are or not.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: just_curious]
    #23637882 - 09/12/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, thank you so much ... I will definitely look into the SGFC method.

PF TEK, I am already familiar with, it actually is the method with which I first made my cake, but since I have already got about 2-3 flushes out of it, and it was starting to look quite messed up, I decided to cover it with some soil to see what will happen, and surprisingly I have to say that the harvest is now much bigger than the PK cake itself, and grew MUCH faster for some reason! (look how fast it grew in less than 14 hours) !!!

The thing is, I am not looking for any bigger harvest, this is already too much for my rate of consumption, so I am wondering if it would be possible to keep this pot alive and going for the future? do you think that it will keep on popping new mushrooms if I keep it in the same nice humid conditions in the bag, while misting and fanning it? so that I can have a continuous supply of this, or it will eventually stop fruiting?

I understand that it is not the best or most efficient way of doing it, but as long as it gives a small amount of harvest every now and then, I am more than happy.

I have vermiculite, perlite and more of this soil at my disposal, what would you recommend doing to get a richer, more dense harvest without changing this configuration?

Thanks again for the reply.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23637904 - 09/12/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Idk. It could keep producing. I've seen people post in jere where they have found random cubes in their indoor plant's potting soil. People typically bury their spent cakes outside. I really couldn't answer that. I'm still trying to figure out why it is okay for spores to drop in outside grows for future fruits, but if the spores drop on the sub with an indoor grow, it'll quit harvesting. Beats me.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: just_curious]
    #23637929 - 09/12/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't know that ... so considering mine is also an indoor grow, would you say that I ruined my sub by letting these ones open up wide?
how do I know if there are dropped spores in my pot?
and one last thing, does it affect the potency if you pick a mushroom late when its opened?

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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23637951 - 09/12/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't really matter unless it is a HEAVY spore load. From the couple that you have, there shouldnt be any effect. I have read a couple things here and there about mushrooms loosing potency after the spores drop, or more potent at this time as opposed to this time, but honestly I call bull shit on it. There's no evidence that supports those claims as far as I'm concerned. I haven't seen any definitive proof that shrooms quit becoming active after the spores drop. I think most people would agree. The main reason why people pick their grows before the spores drop is 1: to allow freedom for future flushes, 2: it makes a huge mess, and 3: supposedly it makes the shrooms taste like crap when the caps are covered in spores. I usually get mine after a light amount of spores have been dropped just because of my work schedule. I can't always get to them in time. In the event that there was a heavy spore load drop, I use a fork and lightly scrape the substrate. I've seen a lot of members advise against that, but it has never done me wrong...so who knows. Honestly, I think a majority of stuff outside of sterile technique is personal preference lol. I'm probably gonna get bashed for saying that though. It's all good. Everybody on this site is very informative and knowledgeable. And, they will be straight forward with you....even if it's not what you want to hear lol.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: just_curious]
    #23637964 - 09/12/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey man, thank you so much for all the info, I really do appreciate it ... :smile:


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: just_curious]
    #23638147 - 09/12/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It doesn't really matter unless it is a HEAVY spore load. From the couple that you have, there shouldnt be any effect. I have read a couple things here and there about mushrooms loosing potency after the spores drop, or more potent at this time as opposed to this time, but honestly I call bull shit on it. There's no evidence that supports those claims as far as I'm concerned. I haven't seen any definitive proof that shrooms quit becoming active after the spores drop. I think most people would agree. The main reason why people pick their grows before the spores drop is 1: to allow freedom for future flushes, 2: it makes a huge mess, and 3: supposedly it makes the shrooms taste like crap when the caps are covered in spores. I usually get mine after a light amount of spores have been dropped just because of my work schedule. I can't always get to them in time. In the event that there was a heavy spore load drop, I use a fork and lightly scrape the substrate. I've seen a lot of members advise against that, but it has never done me wrong...so who knows. Honestly, I think a majority of stuff outside of sterile technique is personal preference lol. I'm probably gonna get bashed for saying that though. It's all good. Everybody on this site is very informative and knowledgeable. And, they will be straight forward with you....even if it's not what you want to hear lol.




I feel that sterile technique goes hand in hand with personal preferences of science'ing.  Some people are going to know how to be more clean than others...  You have it, or you don't.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: meowshroom]
    #23638246 - 09/12/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They are some handsome looking shrooms man well done


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23639810 - 09/12/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks ... I too love the way they look, :smile:
Will report on their taste and effects soon.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23639818 - 09/12/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone happens to know what strain they are exactly??!


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23639950 - 09/12/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No one will be able to tell you what strain they are exactly. And no, no matter what you do, that pot won't keep producing. Sorry but that's just not how it works.  It will run out of nutrition and there's no way to introduce more of the nutrition it needs (fresh food [grains] not compost or dirt or manure) without extreme contamination risk.

That took me a while to grasp. I wondered for a long time why I couldn't make a perpetual outdoor patch, continually adding manure, but while bulk substrates like manure, or in your case dirt, do contribute some nutrition, it's not really much compared to what's in un-composted grain.  The bulk substrate's primary contribution is water. Once your little cake in there runs out of flour that's pretty much it.  And you can't just stir in more flour or grain without guaranteed mold.

Now hopefully I'm right about all that, and some tc doesn't come along and tell me to stfu.


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23640020 - 09/12/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A cube is a cube (except for a few minor exceptions when you consider mutants such as penis envy). Those fancy names are just for marketing. I highly doubt anyone can tell you the "strain". Congrats on the mushrooms. :smile:

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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: jesustripped]
    #23640291 - 09/12/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the reply,

Forgive me if the the question is stupid, so what you're saying is, these mushrooms are still growing out of the little cake that is covered with dirt and when the food in the cake runs put it will stop pruducing more shrooms, right?

And if so, would the later flushes have different potency, considering the whole thing is running out of food, or there is no relation what so ever?

I also noticed that the shrooms that I harvested from this keep changing shape and colors a little,
Arent they suppose to look similar to each other considering they are coming from the same source?

Once again I appreciate all the comments guys. :smile:
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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Lunatismic]
    #23640311 - 09/12/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

looks like these this was my kids but too be honest I've seen a lot of cubes look like that a side had some costs Ricans that looked exactly the same the only ones I've seen that are really different looking are penis envy mazatapec aa+ and a few others but either way you will trip haha


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Re: Mushroom identification / Soil growing question (with pics) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23640347 - 09/12/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Correct.

We currently believe that potency is solely genetic.

You started your grow with lots of spores, so the mushrooms will all be slightly different.


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