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Grain dunk with with bleach water
    #23635440 - 09/11/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have some grain jars that I suspect to be bacterial. I am going to spawn them to a tray with straight pasteurized Verm. I'm using roughly 2 quarts of grain to 1 quart of hydrated Verm, along with a top layer. I'm basically fruiting straight WBS and using the Verm to maintain moisture since grains don't hold moisture very well.

Before doing so, I'm going to dunk the grains. I have read multiple mixed reviews on the effects of bleach water with dunking. This is confusing to me why we still have conflicting reviews because we know that bleach sanitizes/disinfects and RR has stated that bleach does not effect the fruits or myc. Bleach is also used to purify water, and is safe to consume after waiting a certain amount of time (given that the ratio is good). So I am going to mix 2 drops of bleach to 1 quart of water (this is the safe amount to make water potable). Now, when you purify water with bleach, you are supposed to use the proper ratio, and then wait 30 minutes before consuming. I wonder if I should make the ratio and then dunk the grains for 30 minutes, or should I make the ratio, wait 30 minutes, and then dunk the grains. I think the first would be the best option.

The reason why I am only using straight Verm is because my last couple grows have contam'd and I don't want to waste any more coir and gypsum to spawn to bulk. What do you guys think?


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Re: Grain dunk with with bleach water [Re: just_curious]
    #23635462 - 09/11/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If the jars are bacterial, I would put in a small tray, case it, and fruit it.

Then start new jars that are not bacterial. 

Also, I've never heard of using straight verm as a substrate.  I don't think it's possible, because it's just not a nutritious material.  It's used for water retention, not nutrition.


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Re: Grain dunk with with bleach water [Re: Mushierage]
    #23635515 - 09/11/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There has been people that did it with good results. But everything you just said, I'm doing. Like I said, I'm basically just fruiting straight WBS but using the Verm to maintain moisture since grains don't hold it very well. I don't have any peat moss to do 50/50. I'm just gonna mix up this Verm and WBS in a tray, put a top layer of Verm on, close up the tray with its lid (with holes with micropore tape for GE) and stick it outside of my grow room.


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Re: Grain dunk with with bleach water [Re: just_curious]
    #23635585 - 09/11/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldnt use bleach.

Secondly last week i made two trays with strait verm and they are colonized fully and cased,
too early to tell you about the fruiting, but it colonized fine on strait verm.


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Re: Grain dunk with with bleach water [Re: filthyknees]
    #23635683 - 09/11/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Idk why it wouldn't. It colonizes in cakes, it colonizes after rolls, it colonizes in CVG...I'd say it's safe to say that Verm is able to colonize. Everybody's arguement is it non-nutritious. Maybe it's not coming after it for the nutrients, but rather the water. It receives its nutrients from the grains, coir, etc...but it still gets thirsty so it decides to take over that water source. Idk, I'm just guessing but it makes sense in my mind.


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Re: Grain dunk with with bleach water [Re: just_curious]
    #23635711 - 09/11/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Makes sense to me too, i would just use a high spawn ratio.

Ps the verm i spawned to wasnt even pasturized, just made to field capacity


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