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Psilosopherr
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Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC?
#23635411 - 09/11/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do people spawn their tubs and then colonize them in fruiting conditions? I could have sworn I heard somebody mention that people were doing this with success a while back. Thought azures name might have been mentioned? Would be amusing if I was pulling this out of my hat though.
Anyways I tried every phrasing of it I could think of in the search and got nothing on the topic. They never do seem entirely happy under their holey foil lids
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23635414 - 09/11/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've heard of people doing this. Not something I would personally do, but yeah, there it is.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23635494 - 09/11/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22315950
Here are some results ive got with total neglect for two weeks and change
 I would do it again, like every time i make tubs
The method is how large_dose posted it in his ohmatic monotub thread like 6 years ago, with wall to wall flushes
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: filthyknees]
#23635521 - 09/11/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks! filthy with the save
Might want to tell us how those knees got so dirty before people start spreading rumors
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filthyknees
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23635560 - 09/11/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spent a lot of time digging in the dirt as a farm worker and gardener.
I pretend the dirt is all my problems. I loose myself there, getting filthy.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: filthyknees]
#23635739 - 09/11/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- Deus Videt
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Nooner]
#23636182 - 09/11/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Started doing it and never looked back
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Boogieman47
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23636191 - 09/11/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I spawn at fruiting it's nice alot faster ... also filthy I always assumed you were a plumber for some reason my uncle owns 300 acres in surry Virginia I've always wanted to go help him farm I did for a couple years when I was ten and eleven but my grandma never liked him and moved us away I might go back soon tho
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23636386 - 09/11/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many trusted cultivators have done it and confirmed that it works well. I've done it and got decent results. But I have never tried the "normal" way.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23636401 - 09/11/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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 ive done it but havent in since i switched to minis/mono tubs
edit: i might of misunderstood what you ment.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: mushboy]
#23636420 - 09/11/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's going on with that hose?
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23636494 - 09/11/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol thats an old 'fruiting chamber' with a cool mist hooked up via garden hose ..from 9 years ago
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: mushboy]
#23636564 - 09/11/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol I saw that and thought;
"by hooking up the chamber to a garden hose I can then turn the water on full blast and utterly saturate my substrates almost instantly, saving me weeks of waiting for pins to appear. . ."

Casing and fruiting at spawning is cool stuff. A couple of drawbacks but loads of upside.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23636578 - 09/11/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Rooster Cogburn said: Started doing it and never looked back

DAYUMMMMM....Nice pin set brother!
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Peteyboy]
#23636585 - 09/11/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find it hilarious how apprehensive people are of it. There's been like 3-4 threads in the past month with people asking about this, and then some semi-regulars coming around being like "Sounds iffy, wouldn't recommend".
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Inocuole]
#23636600 - 09/11/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well in reality people fruit before 100% alot because just cause the top is colonized doesn't mean the bottom is ... I wonder why people think its so iffy? Wouldn't you have more of a chance if you had bad spawn because more fae?
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23636609 - 09/11/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's really crazy, is that ole' vets did it this way years and years ago
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: dankington]
#23636777 - 09/11/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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For folks who've tried this AND extended colonization for more potent fruits, which did you prefer? It's nice to be able to get a flush out of a tub so quickly, but are you missing out on potential potency?
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: dankington]
#23636795 - 09/11/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not saying others shouldn't do it. Just that I don't want to. Personally, I don't want the Myc to start munching down on my substrate too early by introducing FAE at spawning. I like to save the energy in the sub for as many flushes as possible.
I also use the introduction of FAE as a pinning trigger, so the mushrooms start pinning when I want them to, as opposed to whenever the mushrooms want to, unregulated.
It doesn't mean I wouldn't recommend it though. If you want a quicker first flush, go for it. But I find that by artificially introducing FAE at full colonization, you get a more even and full first flush. At least that has been my experience. But in all fairness I guess I don't really have a lot of experience with Fruiting at spawning so I'm not the go to for It.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: r.lutece]
#23636797 - 09/11/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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r.lutece said: For folks who've tried this AND extended colonization for more potent fruits, which did you prefer? It's nice to be able to get a flush out of a tub so quickly, but are you missing out on potential potency?
Potency has little to do with when your mushrooms flush. It has more to do with genetics.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Mushierage]
#23636860 - 09/11/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mushierage said:
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r.lutece said: For folks who've tried this AND extended colonization for more potent fruits, which did you prefer? It's nice to be able to get a flush out of a tub so quickly, but are you missing out on potential potency?
Potency has little to do with when your mushrooms flush. It has more to do with genetics.
That's good to know. It seemed like an interesting concept, but also like a waste of time without any GC proof that it ACTUALLY works. I read a post just a minute ago by FrankHorrigan that more or less backed up fruiting at 100%; his reasoning was that he notices far fewer aborts when he doesn't force his substrate to colonize and develop pins for growing conditions that are about to change completely when FAE is introduced.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Mushierage]
#23636874 - 09/11/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mushierage said: I'm not saying others shouldn't do it. Just that I don't want to. Personally, I don't want the Myc to start munching down on my substrate too early by introducing FAE at spawning. I like to save the energy in the sub for as many flushes as possible.
I saw cron post this line of logic in the azure thread. It doesn't quite make sense to me though. If its eating the substrate earlier, its not like these digested nutrients are just vanishing into thin air. You'd think the mycelium would store it up and then when its time to fruit, there they are ready to be made into fruits.
Heard pasty mention pros/cons of this, what might those be? other than the obvious ones anyway
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23636893 - 09/11/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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patchier first flush is the main downside. Lower pinning times, and faster colonization are a couple of the perks. What is lost in a nice first flush is often gained in a fantastic second flush I've played around with it a bit.
I think a general consensus is that you can spawn to a tub that's dialed in very tightly to colonize, then open her up a bit to fruit. But everyone has preferences. It does seem to also help reduce blobs when growing PE
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: dankington]
#23636906 - 09/11/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks dank. thats good news about the PE, my last attempt at those was 100% blobs, very disappointing.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23636907 - 09/11/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think another part of the argument here (against full colonization/consolidation) is that if the first flush is given extra time to consume the nutrients, they'll eat more than their fair share before maturing, meaning later flushes won't get a decent nutrient supply. So it's finding that balance where you see a nice, even first flush while trying not to deplete your sub if you want to pull several flushes.
Kindly correct me if I'm way off.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: dankington]
#23636908 - 09/11/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly dank. But I will suggest that with good genetics and conditions a decent first flush can still be had. The method really shines with PE.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23636954 - 09/11/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, well… I have two mini monos knotting up of PE that I spawned on Friday the 2nd. They were both dialed in a bit tightly at spawning. They both look like they're about to pin nicely. I hope they do too, because my summer has been pretty full of fail
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: dankington]
#23637045 - 09/11/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have two hybrid mini monos of PE absolutely exploding right now...but they were not fruited at spawn I colonized them 10 days then exposed to FAE. But they began pinning on their own before fruiting.
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Re: Do people have success colonizing spawned CVG in FC? [Re: Peteyboy]
#23637175 - 09/11/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fruiting conditions encourage fruiting. That is all.
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