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lazlohollyfeld
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Why do mushrooms keep telling me...
#23634966 - 09/11/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was just sitting here reflecting on past trips and was wondering why quite a few of the trips seem to show me the end is coming... I never nibble my mushrooms, I usually eat or lemon tek around 5-15 dry grams depending on where I'd like go with the trip. For quite a few trips in a row, even with my girlfriend present the lights would show up and start filling my head with information seemingly relating to the world coming to an end and to get out of population centers.. weird but it's always so awesome and reassuring even with the constant mental images of humanity being almost wiped out to begin anew.. Anyone else have experiences like these? Some "visions" have been prophetic so if these more intense "visions" are true as well then.... the end is near lol!
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-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: filthyknees]
#23635076 - 09/11/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
@filthyknees right on!!
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Terence McKenna said apocalyptic visions are very common on mushrooms and it's about the end of history and planetary destiny.
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Can you not tell sober? Where have you been? We are entering world war 3 and aliens are gonna come down from the sky, to end the duality on earth. The religious people will think it's Jesus or God, the spiritual people will know what is happening.
I've had many trips showing me the world won't be here much longer, I doubt they all could be false. Watch and see. Prepare for fallout 
We just passed through the end of the karmatic cycle, there is no more use for karma, the end of the world is already.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23636074 - 09/11/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: T-Rex]
#23636199 - 09/11/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: lazlohollyfeld] 1
#23636233 - 09/11/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Recall what the word psychedelic means; mind manifesting. The apocalypse thing isn't necessarily the shrooms showing you anything. Deep down in your mind somewhere is the thought of the world ending. It's far more likely that the shrooms are manifesting this thought into the experience then it is that they're trying to tell you something. Though I did have a vision of the 2004 tsunami as it was happening while I was tripping on DPT, and I haven't been able to explain that one away. but what you're describing sounds a lot more like your subconscious doing it's thing. I personally don't believe that the world is anywhere near ending.
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I doubt it'll end anytime soon, even if it does though it probably won't be within our lifetimes. Sounds like some intense/cool visions though. Try asking them more about it next time.
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I ate mushrooms and then all of a sudden was listening to this stupid godsmack song that says I'm not the one who's so far away when I feel the snake bite into my veins I never fucking listened to this stupid song and then found myself be shroomed in the backyard after hearing that song and dug up with my hands all of a sudden a glow in the dark rubber snake. Looked it in the eyes Became one with its presence.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
#23637483 - 09/12/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Voodoo by Godsmack? That's a good song lol. It's about heroin if I remember right.
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Haha rite on dude I've never done heroin
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: T-Rex]
#23637505 - 09/12/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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One of my friends ate a 2.8 ban hua thanon . Fell to fetal position . Saw his army life in a bubble to the right saw A chick in a bubble to the left . And a bubble to the top of aliens . He saw both his army life and the girl dissolve into sand and he started floating away towards the aliens until he doubted his ability to properly communicate . He instantly fell to the ground and woke up and his trip instantly ended. How do u explain that.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
#23637887 - 09/12/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A lot of the psychedelic experience cannot be explained, i think some fail to see the beauty in the mystery there.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: filthyknees] 1
#23638662 - 09/12/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well of course it's not ending anytime soon guys lol. Once again apocalyptic visions are completely normal on psilocybin. If anything that actually takes away the validity of such things since they seem to be so common anyways. Doesn't mean the wold is ending. The time we live in now is better than most any time period in the past. Really things couldn't be much better.
However North Korea has been testing some stuff out underground.
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Sep 2017 to Sep 2018 is the shift.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: GiBBz]
#23639019 - 09/12/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: filthyknees]
#23639049 - 09/12/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23640592 - 09/13/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is the physical world and the Spiritual world.
There is physical birth and death in the physical world. There is Spiritual birth and death in the Spiritual world.
The Spiritual world is divided into 2 realms: 1) (the "wide gate" -- many people) the realm that doesn't know or believe that Entheogens are God; and 2) (the "narrow gate" -- few people) the realm that does know and believe that Entheogens are God.
Christ said (to Nicodemus): )"...what is born of the flesh is flesh; what is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Do not be surprised when I say: You must be born from above." -- St. John 3,6
When a person understands and believes that Entheogens are God, they are born into the 2nd Spiritual realm and become a Child of God. At the same time they die to the 1st Spiritual realm (that doesn't know or believe that Entheogens are God).
"The real Light, which enlightens every person, was coming then into the world . They entered the world - the world which existed through Them, yet the world did not recognize Them; They came to what was Their own, yet Their own folk did not welcome Them. On those who have accepted Them, however, They have conferred the right of being Children of God, that is, on those who believe in Their Name, who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood, nor to any impulse of the flesh or of humans. – St. John, 1, 9
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23640804 - 09/13/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get outta here with the religious preaching
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: filthyknees]
#23641100 - 09/13/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Be wise as serpents.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
#23642731 - 09/13/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah piss off, endogenous, with your "I know it all because it's in a book" shit.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
#23643684 - 09/14/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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MykoMyers said: Be wise as serpents.
And guileless as doves. -- St. Matthew, 10, 16
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23643781 - 09/14/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bardy said: Yeah piss off, endogenous, with your "I know it all because it's in a book" shit.
From the forum rules: "Flaming other posters is not allowed. Debate the post, not the poster." https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3610903#3610903
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: filthyknees]
#23649323 - 09/16/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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filthyknees said: Get outta here with the religious preaching
Oh right -- I'm "preaching". Why you can go to any church on the street and hear the same thing -- those "preachers" all saying "ENTHEOGENS ARE GOD.". Yeah, why should I bother? The TRUTH is just so available everywhere!!!
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23652093 - 09/17/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one has anything to say on the things I posted other than to attack me personally?
Oh well -- 
I have another thing to say about the OP:
In the sixties people used to think that what was going on was a race between Psychedelics and the atomic bomb. And, in fact -- according to Mary Pinchot, it was LSD that convinced JFK to not start World War III with the Russians over the Cuban missles.
Either way will bring you into the Knowledge that Entheogens are God.
Either way is the end of the world.
I prefer the non-violent way.
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Edited by endogenous (09/17/16 05:32 AM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23652142 - 09/17/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one is attacking you personally dude, it's just that no one wants to be sold some bullshit from a book. Full stop. This is not a religion forum.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23652145 - 09/17/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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And where do you get off TELLING people that entheogens ARE god? Where do you draw the line between entheogens and other drugs? Is heroine also god? Is methamphetamine also god? You demonstrate flawed logic in every post.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23652235 - 09/17/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bardy said: This is not a religion forum.
The OP says that the SPIRIT of the Mushroom told him that the world is coming to an end -- but that's NOT about religion????
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23652271 - 09/17/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bardy said: And where do you get off TELLING people that entheogens ARE god? Where do you draw the line between entheogens and other drugs? Is heroine also god? Is methamphetamine also god? You demonstrate flawed logic in every post.
If I can grow it it's God! From Valerian to opium to cucumbers...
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Myco_illogic]
#23653423 - 09/17/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bardy said: And where do you get off TELLING people that entheogens ARE god? Where do you draw the line between entheogens and other drugs? Is heroine also god? Is methamphetamine also god? You demonstrate flawed logic in every post.
I have never seen diacetyl morphine ("heroin") or meth listed as Entheogens. Wikipedia does include salvia (at the moment) and I disagree with that. In fact, I wonder why salvia is included in this forum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen
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Entheogens have been used in a ritualized context for thousands of years; their religious significance is well established in anthropological and modern contexts. Examples of traditional entheogens include traditional psychedelics like peyote, psilocybin mushrooms, and ayahuasca, psychedelic-dissociatives like Tabernanthe iboga, atypical psychedelics like Salvia divinorum, quasi-psychedelics like cannabis, and deliriants like Amanita muscaria. Traditionally a tea, admixture, or potion like bhang is the preferred mode of ingestion.
With the advent of organic chemistry, there now exist many synthetic drugs with similar psychoactive properties, many derived from the aforementioned plants. Many pure active compounds with psychoactive properties have been isolated from these respective organisms and chemically synthesized, including mescaline, psilocybin, DMT, salvinorin A, ibogaine, ergine, and muscimol. Semi-synthetic (e.g., LSD used by the Neo-American Church) and synthetic drugs (e.g., DPT used by the Temple of the True Inner Light and 2C-B used by the Sangoma) have also been developed.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23653489 - 09/17/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nitrous.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23654672 - 09/18/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Nitrous. 
Can't agree about nitrous. And I've done alot of it in the past. I kept not remembering that I did it (as I came back from inhaling it). I never saw the Light with it. And the Tryptamine Spirit warned me to not do it pretty clearly.
It's an anesthetic used to produce un-consciousness and people can easily die from it if they connect a tube directly to a large tank and then pass out.
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#23654879 - 09/18/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The nitrous oxide spirit is not impressed. 

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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23655802 - 09/18/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's definitely a spirit connected to Salvia, so I could see why it would be included.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23656211 - 09/18/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bardy said: And where do you get off TELLING people that entheogens ARE god? Where do you draw the line between entheogens and other drugs? Is heroine also god? Is methamphetamine also god? You demonstrate flawed logic in every post.
Those other substances don't feature in the book 'The Sacred Mushroom & The Cross' which is nearly always the doctrine involved in such a claim.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23656974 - 09/18/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good to know there's an authoritative source besides the Bible to turn to when in doubt. /sarcasm
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23657692 - 09/19/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm new just joined and saw this and was wondering if anyone else has had the chasing the owl trip. No matter how many times I go down the rabbit hole I almost always will run into this golden mechanical owl. It looks similar in proportion to the one in clash of the titans (old one) but I always end up chasing it and have ended up sometimes actually going to my living room and once ended up in the runway of an airport found two days later by a baggage guy (I've taken precautions since then along with my friends keeping an eye on me) but it beffudles me as to why it happens when I trip sometimes. Thoughts?
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23657724 - 09/19/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bardy said: And where do you get off TELLING people that entheogens ARE god?
Where does the "Christian" church get off saying that a wheat wafer is God? The wafer is obviously a distant substitute for what originally was the REAL Flesh of God, Teonanacatl (Nahua name of Psilocybin Mushrooms which translates as "God's Flesh").
Yeah, where did those heathen Nahua savages get off calling Psilocybin Mushrooms "God's Flesh". And where do those savage Native Americans in the Native American Church get off believing that Peyote is a Deity? And where do those backwards Hindus get off believing that Marijuana is the God Soma -- who was the Creator of Indra and all the others. And where does the Daime church get off calling Ayahuasca "the Blood of Christ"?
Yeah -- all those backwards barbarians should get in line and bow down to Bardy -- who accuses me of being a know it all who is full of shit. But that's not a personal attack he assures me.
Heh.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23657729 - 09/19/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm new to this so was this a good place to put that thought?
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23658294 - 09/19/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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endogenous said:
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Bardy said: And where do you get off TELLING people that entheogens ARE god?
Where does the "Christian" church get off saying that a wheat wafer is God? The wafer is obviously a distant substitute for what originally was the REAL Flesh of God, Teonanacatl (Nahua name of Psilocybin Mushrooms which translates as "God's Flesh").
Yeah, where did those heathen Nahua savages get off calling Psilocybin Mushrooms "God's Flesh". And where do those savage Native Americans in the Native American Church get off believing that Peyote is a Deity? And where do those backwards Hindus get off believing that Marijuana is the God Soma -- who was the Creator of Indra and all the others. And where does the Daime church get off calling Ayahuasca "the Blood of Christ"?
Yeah -- all those backwards barbarians should get in line and bow down to Bardy -- who accuses me of being a know it all who is full of shit. But that's not a personal attack he assures me.
Heh.
With respect, I think you've got yourself a strong misunderstanding of literal objects and symbology and what these things are known to represent. I say this not for your view on the mushroom alone, but for your miscomprehension of very basic theological principles pertaining to Christianity which summon correction (and granted, no more 'attack').
It seems you know of the concept of symbology when you reference 'Gods flesh' being a distant substitute (although incorrect in that God has no flesh), but then you seemingly regard the mushroom as the literal, first hand, article. Apparently different rules and regard for each to suit your opinion.
Unlike how you present the mushroom, wafer nor wine is suggested to be literal body or blood, as you so state yourself. They are synonymous tokens of remembrance of those things pertaining to Jesus' surrender which proved the eternal spirit by resurrection. Body and blood are therefore symbols of wastage in that very process. The things he gave up for mankind (his life).
'God' by definition, is a deity. He certainly isn't suggested as flesh, nor blood and there was no 'original flesh of God'. 'God' or 'A God' is a heavenly being. Any reference to 'Gods Flesh' obviously can only be symbolic.
So too, in some beliefs is the mushroom a symbol of God, because it gives access to the divine - evoking remembrance.
The whole point of the eucharist is to remember through the 'body' and 'blood' that they, in light and contrast of the eternal spirit, are irrelevancies, which we consume as he was consumed by sin.
It is to disregard flesh and celebrate eternal life.
Mushroom, nor wine is 'God' any more than your Uncle is your lawn. They are psychological catalysts - Tools for access, connection and tribute.
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Maybe start a thread called "chasing the golden owl" as I've never heard of that before...
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Duncan, thank you for being able to word your thoughts a lot better than I can! Haha
And I compared entheogens to heroine and meth because at the end of the day they are all psychoactive drugs. Different combinations and arrangements of atoms that elicit a response from our CNS. So how do you differentiate between them as some being "Gods" and some not? Just because someone wrote it in a book? If you follow your line of reasoning, then we ourselves should be included as gods, since our brains partly function using molecules extremely close to entheogens.
Also, how can a god possibly exist as a part of the thing they created? If god is part of our existence/universe, then how did god already exist before the beginning? There must have been something that existed before god, for god to possibly exist at all. Which means that a "creator" or "god" must in fact be created. Which is impossible.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
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The book and ideology in question just attempts to derail well established beliefs, facts, time honoured, effective practices and associated people by way of surface level, shock factor, void of understanding of any of those things.
Akin to a child revolting in a fit against an orange, before they have even seen an orange.
Fortunately since the birth of so many self publishing platforms, the perceived authority of being an author of a book is swiftly dissipating.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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It seems you know of the concept of symbology when you reference 'Gods flesh' being a distant substitute (although incorrect in that God has no flesh), but then you seemingly regard the mushroom as the literal, first hand, article. Apparently different rules and regard for each to suit your opinion.
So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
It shouldn't be difficult to understand that the original Flesh of God in the Christian Church, was Entheogens.
"Christians" are supposed to become one with God and to see the "Light" and receive the "Holy Spirit" when they eat the wafer/wine. Now compare what happens when you eat a cracker or drink a sip of wine to what happens when you ingest Psilocybin or drink Bhang, as all Hindus do once a year during the celebration of "Holi".
"Christians" today have to fantasize what it was like when the original Christians had Communion. Those who ingest Entheogens see what happened in actuality.
"Native Americans contrast the difference between Christianity and the peyote ceremony by saying that the Christians go into their churches and talk about God, while in the Native American Church meeting the people talk to God." http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/312
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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It seems you know of the concept of symbology when you reference 'Gods flesh' being a distant substitute (although incorrect in that God has no flesh), but then you seemingly regard the mushroom as the literal, first hand, article. Apparently different rules and regard for each to suit your opinion.
So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
The mushroom is a penis in many cultures, symbolising sexual health and rebirth, yet it is not a penis, nor a literal 'God'.
The very definition of the word 'God' means 'in heaven'. 'God' is an entity in and of Heaven. It is the complete contrary to the physical and thus, nothing physical is 'God'. If therefore, you understand anything on Earth to be 'God', you'll know by its very name, that it is not so.
The claim that 'God is an entheogen' falls flat at the first hurdle (of language) and so stands as an apparent oxymoron.
By that simple rule, you'll know that the entheogen is not God, but is providing a state of being which potentially allocates passage to God via the mind.
(Needless to say, if you have another word for whatever entity you think is in entheogen, that's your prerogative, but it is not 'God').
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It shouldn't be difficult to understand that the original Flesh of God in the Christian Church, was Entheogens.
There is no 'Flesh of God' in any Christian church. This is of your own making.
The Eucharist is reflective of the food passed in the last supper.
There was no 'Flesh of God' at the last supper, or any proposal to 'consume God'.
There was bread handed out by Jesus to his disciples as a form of remembrance of sacrifice and eternal life, named 'The Body of Christ', now practiced as a rite named the 'eucharist'.
Through remembering and recognising Him, in turn, Christhood (pureness of self) is realised / maintained, and the pure channel to God is established and maintained.
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"Christians" are supposed to become one with God and to see the "Light" and receive the "Holy Spirit" when they eat the wafer/wine. Now compare what happens when you eat a cracker or drink a sip of wine to what happens when you ingest Psilocybin or drink Bhang, as all Hindus do once a year during the celebration of "Holi".
Christians already have the Holy Spirit 'shining' within them (This is the light..and it doesn't literally shine. It's symbolic). The Eucharist is symbolic of their union with the spirit of Jesus Christ who in turn is symbolic of the Christhood. The mish mash of terms (two of which mean the same) reenforces my earlier notion that you are very hazy on the topic that you are taking liberty to address.
There is no 'seeing light' involved in the Eucharist. It is a rite to pay homage and to acquire fortitude in virtues to remain steadfast on the path. It is worship of what is known and already received.
No-one in Christian Church receives the Holy Spirit by drinking wine or eating wafer, nor is that claimed. They receive the Holy Spirit via the ceremony and process of Baptism.
'Seeing light', as the alagory suggests, refers to personal revelation where a person comes to the first time realization of the goodness (the 'light') which has always been within them, also known as The Christ.
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"Christians" today have to fantasize what it was like when the original Christians had Communion. Those who ingest Entheogens see what happened in actuality.
In fairness and with respect, I'm not filled with confidence in that you've grasped Christians in any era, so it's perhaps futile addressing them today. Christians and those who carry the 'light' (Hindus to pick your example), who adhere to effective practice (Kriya Yoga being one), don't need entheogens to establish a connection, nor have many people even heard of such substances.
Millions of Hindus pride themselves in pure form attunement through dedication which involves bodily control, priming and fasting. Christians, as mentioned, achieve channel through Christhood, which involves pure heart, good deed and some practice the rite of the eucharist, which I must stress again, is not 'The Flesh of God', but 'The Body of Christ', in reflection of the body which was sacrificed by crucifixion to demonstrate resurrection and in turn, eternal life of the spirit.
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I had similar things right before a strong mystical experience. What seemed 'the end of everything' turned out to be dissolution of all borders on the way to 'cosmic unity' and experience of God.
IMHO, such prophecies mean only that you are getting close to ego death.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said: By that simple rule, you'll know that the entheogen is not God, but is providing a state of being which potentially allocates passage to God via the mind.
Good point, that's what an entheogen actually is/does, with the discursive points stripped off. 
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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September 23, 2017...Revelation 12 "Sign in the heavens" is actually taking place. Never before seen by man. Ignore the rapture statement, the rapture stuff is hogwash..Google Revelation 12 sign in the heavens and see what turns up.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Good point, that's what an entheogen actually is/does, with the discursive points stripped off. 
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a chemical substance, typically of plant origin, that is ingested to produce a nonordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes.
Indeed. If we use certain words, we tend to agree by default with what they mean, lest we don't use them, since the definition isn't up for debate.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I am wondering how someone who seems to have some ability to understand, has such a seemingly large blind spot.
The Hindus HAVE a God named "Soma". Soma is known, still today, to have been a PLANT. Soma is called the "Creator of the Gods" and "a God for Gods" in the RgVeda which is one of the oldest religious texts in existence (from 1700 b.c.) The RgVeda is like the cornerstone of the Hindu religion.
That, right there, shows you that they believe that God has FLESH.
"Those who have Ears, let them hear." -- St. Matthew, 11, 15
Are you one of those who think that nothing is something? Your belief is, unfortunately, in unreality. To exist in reality, something has to be something.
The identity of God, Soma, the Creator, was lost. Many, (like Terrence McKenna), think that Soma was Psilocybin Mushrooms. Others, (like R. Gordon Wasson), think Amanita Muscaria Mushrooms. Others think Marijuana.
In fact, Hindus believe that Marijuana sprang up when a drop of Amrita (Soma) fell on the ground.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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http://www.hindunet.org/vedas/rigveda/ :
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The Rig Veda is the oldest of the Vedas. All the other Vedas are based upon it and consist to a large degree of various hymns from it. It consists of a thousand such hymns of different seers, each hymn averaging around ten verses. The Rig Veda is the oldest book in Sanskrit or any Indo-European language. Its date is debatable. Many great Yogis and scholars who have understood the astronomical references in the hymns, date the Rig Veda as before 4000 B.C., perhaps as early as 12,000. Modern western scholars tend to date it around 1500 B.C., though recent archeological finds in India (like Dwaraka) now appear to require a much earlier date. While the term Vedic is often given to any layer of the Vedic teachings including the Bhagavad Gita, technically it applies primarily to the Rig Veda.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I am wondering how someone who seems to have some ability to understand, has such a seemingly large blind spot.
The Hindus HAVE a God named "Soma". Soma is known, still today, to have been a PLANT. Soma is called the "Creator of the Gods" and "a God for Gods" in the RgVeda which is one of the oldest religious texts in existence (from 1700 b.c.)
That, right there, shows you that they believe that God has FLESH
Are you one of those who think that nothing is something? Your belief is, unfortunately, in unreality. To exist in reality, something has to be something.
The identity of God, Soma, the Creator, was lost. Many, (like Terrence McKenna), think that Soma was Psilocybin Mushrooms. Others, (like R. Gordon Wasson), think Amanita Muscaria Mushrooms. Others think Marijuana.
In fact, Hindus believe that Marijuana sprang up when a drop of Amrita (Soma) fell on the ground.
Soma is one of three hundred and thirty million Hindu 'Gods' who is the supposed 'God of the Moon' and is not said to literally be an entheogen in any way shape or form.
It is widespread knowledge, even in the Western world that Soma is a panacea substance and this is true for Hindiusim in that the Gods consumed this in a drink'. It is a not a 'God'. Gods in Hindiusim are representatives of earthly forms. The demiurgic God Soma is a representative of the consumed substance, not the substance of the substance.
Furthermore, the word 'God' (singular) refers to an omnipotent God, not a demiurgic God. When there are many, they are demiurgic and not omnipotent, this nullifying your term of 'God is an entheogen' from the outset, which is singular and non-specific. This alone is alone is good enough to shun your hypothesis.
I'm quite sure the identity of Soma as a plant was lost, certainly as something which proves 'God is an entheogen'. There's certainly a lot of 'thinking' within the pool of people you mention (non of whom would add credibility with that effort) to reflect this lack of evidence.
Nothing presented by you proves that 'God' has flesh, yet I've detailed why your choice of word is a contradiction, in that a 'God' is not of anything earthly. Whilst I won't post definitions, confident that you already pehaps know, you can refer to the dictionary for clarity if you so wish. This too would stand alone to derail your claim.
With regards to blind spots, alongside the definition of 'God', you seem to have missed a large part of my reply which addresses all of your other errors, so I'll just have to assume you acknowledged the points in your own way. Admitedly, I went through yours with a fine tooth comb, but it was one messy hairdo. It's up to you from now onwards if you want to leave the house with a Bob Ross barnet.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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The Rig Veda is the oldest of the Vedas. All the other Vedas are based upon it and consist to a large degree of various hymns from it. It consists of a thousand such hymns of different seers, each hymn averaging around ten verses. The Rig Veda is the oldest book in Sanskrit or any Indo-European language. Its date is debatable. Many great Yogis and scholars who have understood the astronomical references in the hymns, date the Rig Veda as before 4000 B.C., perhaps as early as 12,000. Modern western scholars tend to date it around 1500 B.C., though recent archeological finds in India (like Dwaraka) now appear to require a much earlier date. While the term Vedic is often given to any layer of the Vedic teachings including the Bhagavad Gita, technically it applies primarily to the Rig Veda.
Non sequitur.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said: Soma is one of three hundred and thirty million Hindu 'Gods' who is the supposed 'God of the Moon' and is not said to literally be an entheogen in any way shape or form.
Besides being referred to in abundance in the other Books of the RgVeda, a whole Book - Book 9, is devoted ONLY to Soma.
"1. ENGENDERING the Sun in floods, engendering heaven's lights, green-hued, Robed in the waters and the milk, 2 According to primeval plan this Soma, with Their stream, effused Flows purely on, a God for Gods. 3 For Them victorious, waxen great, the juices with a thousand powers Are purified for winning spoil. 4 Shedding the ancient fluid They are poured into the cleansing sieve: They, thundering, hath produced the Gods. 5 Soma, while purifying, sends hither all things to be desired, They send the Gods who strengthen Law. 6 Soma, effused, pour on us wealth in kine, in heroes, steeds, and spoil, Send us abundant store of food." --Rg Veda, Book 9, HYMN 42. Soma Pavamana
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Soma (Sanskrit: soma) or Haoma (Avestan), from Proto-Indo-Iranian *sauma-, was a Vedic ritual drink[1] of importance among the early Indo-Iranians. It is mentioned in the Rigveda, particularly in the Soma Mandala. In the Avestan literature, Haoma has the entire Yasht 20 and Yasna 9-11 dedicated to it....
According to professor David W. Anthony, author of The Horse, the Wheel and Language, Soma was introduced into Indo-Iranian culture from the Bactria–Margiana Culture. The Old Indic religion probably emerged among Indo-European immigrants in the contact zone between the Zeravshan River (present-day Uzbekistan) and (present-day) Iran.[5] It was "a syncretic mixture of old Central Asian and new Indo-European elements",[5] which borrowed "distinctive religious beliefs and practices"[6] from the Bactria–Margiana Culture.[6] At least 383 non-Indo-European words were borrowed from this culture, including the god Indra and the ritual drink Soma.[7] According to Anthony,
"Many of the qualities of Indo-Iranian god of might/victory, Verethraghna, were transferred to the adopted god Indra, who became the central deity of the developing Old Indic culture. Indra was the subject of 250 hymns, a quarter of the Rig Veda. He was associated more than any other deity with Soma..."
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said: With regards to blind spots, alongside the definition of 'God', you seem to have missed a large part of my reply which addresses all of your other errors, so I'll just have to assume you acknowledged the points in your own way.
Well, you are welcome to deceive yourself in that too if you want.
You seem to have plenty of time to devote to posting.
I don't. And I, for one, appreciate relatively short posts - although I have read your posts.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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It was somewhat of a given that it would conclude in quotes, which, regrettably are non relevant to your claim that 'God is an entheogen'.
The time you consume posting 'entheogen' after every instance of the word 'God' is well noted and the very cause of the 'attacks' as you perceived earlier by others and the reason for my intervention.
You've been given several answers (some very simple) as to why your hypothesis has no legs and indeed why you are receiving the responses that you are, but it's up to you to take heed.
Many people have many beliefs, but when you quote widespread, established religions incorrectly and indeed, tar a 'God' (pertaining to any and all religion) as a plant, you can be sure it will garner some kind of response (and unfortunate for you, sometimes educated ones), but I guess you know that - as does the author.
Confirmation of having read my elongated posts is appreciated, even if the elongated errors of yours still remain unacknowledged, seemingly to save face on the remaining, proposed fallacy of 'God' (which has now ironically been exemplified as only one of 330,000,000 Gods), being a plant.
As mentioned, it's up to you and granted, you aren't likely to stop, but then you'll know why the reactions or 'attacks' as you see them won't stop neither...
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Go ahead and attack. It gives me the opportunity to prove you wrong - even if the truth isn't able to penetrate your iron barred brain as of yet.
"Because I know that you are obstinate, And your neck is an iron sinew And your forehead bronze" -- Isaiah, 48,4
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"Because I know that you are obstinate, And your neck is an iron sinew And your forehead bronze" -- Isaiah, 48,4
I was referring to the people who were 'attacking' you, which is likely to continue when you continue to post the same controversial, uneducated statement.
Unfortunately, you haven't proven anyone wrong, nor will you. Sadly, you've made several mistakes, contradicted your own illogical statements and dug sizeable holes for yourself.
The book is regarded only by juveniles and gullible conspiracy theorists who aren't well versed in theology. Q.E.D.
Again, it's a nice quote, but irrelevant and contradictory to your view, since The Bible accounts an omnipotent, heavenly God - not a plant.
Good luck on your venture nonetheless.
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Confirmation of having read my elongated posts is appreciated, even if the elongated errors of yours still remain unacknowledged, seemingly to save face on the remaining, proposed fallacy of 'God' (which has now ironically been exemplified as only one of 330,000,000 Gods), being a plant.
Are you really that uninformed or are you just saying this to support your argument?
Christianity has millions of saints but only a few are well known.
"But what you have come to is Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem where the millions of angels have gathered for the festival, with the whole Church in which everyone is a "first-born son" and a citizen of heaven" -- Hebrews, 12,22
The "Trimurti" of present day Hindus is Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva. And Shiva is associated with Soma/Amrita/Marijuana.
In Vedic times Indra was the main God. He was the King of the Gods and He was closely associated with Soma.
It's hard to believe that you don't know this.
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What's even the point of arguing about this subject? lol. Arguing about whether entheogens are gods or not is basically the same thing as a Christian and an atheist arguing whether there's an afterlife and a creator or not. At the end of the day neither of you know what the truth is, and you never will. No matter how many books you read, lectures you listen to, or psychedelics you take your objective knowledge on the subject will never increase. That's why it's best just to keep an open mind to the whole spectrum of possibilities and hope you learn the truth after death.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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Confirmation of having read my elongated posts is appreciated, even if the elongated errors of yours still remain unacknowledged, seemingly to save face on the remaining, proposed fallacy of 'God' (which has now ironically been exemplified as only one of 330,000,000 Gods), being a plant.
Are you really that uninformed or are you just saying this to support your argument?
Christianity has millions of saints but only a few are well known.
"But what you have come to is Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem where the millions of angels have gathered for the festival, with the whole Church in which everyone is a "first-born son" and a citizen of heaven" -- Hebrews, 12,22
The "Trimurti" of present day Hindus is Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva. And Shiva is associated with Soma/Amrita/Marijuana.
In Vedic times Indra was the main God. He was the King of the Gods and He was closely associated with Soma.
It's hard to believe that you don't know this.
It's not what is not known, rather how you twist what is known and introduce whatever you so frantically research, which results in retort that does not apply.
The number of Christian saints is irrelevant. Saints are not 'Gods' and you are still taking liberty to quote complete irrelevancies from a book in which your philosophy is not aligned, however if it is cherished as a valuable source of data, you could perhaps quote where exactly it is said (with clear indication) that 'God is an Entheogen'?
Again, you only speak of 'Soma' as a reference and not a substance. That is to say, there is no mention of Soma (The 'God') being the actual embodiment of the substance.
Your research, though long drawn out in each instance, yields little as a result of your desperation to simply find anything remotely connected as substance for defence. When you've read enough (Christianity first, I trust - the principles of which were sorely misunderstood), it will come naturally and with more reference, it will be more personal, dependable and mostly absent of non sequitur, contradiction and general mistake.
Tomorrows Google scavenge will be as futile as all previous, so sparing us, will be to your merit.
Go beyond that book and you'll expand your horizons considerably.
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UniverseOfTheMind8 said: What's even the point of arguing about this subject? lol. Arguing about whether entheogens are gods or not is basically the same thing as a Christian and an atheist arguing whether there's an afterlife and a creator or not. At the end of the day neither of you know what the truth is, and you never will. No matter how many books you read, lectures you listen to, or psychedelics you take your objective knowledge on the subject will never increase. That's why it's best just to keep an open mind to the whole spectrum of possibilities and hope you learn the truth after death.
In a nutshell: an effect is not a cause (A plant is not an experience. It is a precursor.) - a truth of science and a 'God' is an aspect of language which tells us what it is and reflectively, what it is not.
There is a loss and misunderstanding of logic and semantics which is erroneous at the surface, and therefore tends not to be decision of 'open mind'.
'Could be anything' tends to be no grounds for discussion and has no place in theology.
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I guess, because you would have to "scavenge" the internet in order to find out what Hinduism is about, that you think I do as well? I guess you also forgot that I have quoted the Upanishads and the RgVeda, the Old and New Testaments?
I think it's time to end our discussion. Maybe, in time you will gain some understanding of what I've been saying.
There is a Real God. There is a Real Light. There is a Real Holy Spirit who is the Essence of Consciousness:
Entheogens.
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Soma is the vibration produced by the pineal gland more specifically a point called bindu. when the semen unites with it. Definitely can't be done with entheogens alone especially with a shakey belief system this just releases energy and blocks it and usually creates more problems for one who hasn't lifted the kundalini to the bindu yet. but will give the person psychic like ability for a week or two even due to this usually being blocked in the solar plexus or sacral . Lot of times with cannabis and drug users blocked in vishuddhi or ajna giving rise to intuition or auditory hallucinations . Shakti is a type of fire like upward moving energy created in the perenium and the etheric body during sexual arousal . Shiva is mind. Consciousness . Energy becomes manifest . Unites with her dynamic counterpart . "Your brain". And then creating your reality through a law that's similar to gravity , magnetism.
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it keeps telling you that because the beginning of the end is now starting. Armageddon is coming. likely in the next 4 years or so.
It's closing time. if you haven't accepted Jesus yet you need to. Then you can start telling the people that you love to do so also. you do this because you dont want the people you care about to be separated from you forever.
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Aiko Aiko said: the rapture stuff is hogwash.
um no. Even muslims believe that Christ will return.
In their version Christ does not return as the savior of mankind but rather the executioner of all jews, christians, hindus, and non-muslims or "infidels" they call us.
They claim that Christ will then confess that his virgin birth, his resurrection from death, and all the miracles he performed were lies. That he is NOT the son of God but a prophet whos god is Allah.
The Quran goes on to say in surah whatever anyone who believes Jesus is the son of God will burn in Hell forever.
What blows my mind is how they try and say the christian Jesus and their Jesus are the same. That is so sooooo absolutely WRONG. What a fucking joke. its not funny at all, and it really pisses me off.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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endogenous said: I guess, because you would have to "scavenge" the internet in order to find out what Hinduism is about, that you think I do as well? I guess you also forgot that I have quoted the Upanishads and the RgVeda, the Old and New Testaments?
I think it's time to end our discussion. Maybe, in time you will gain some understanding of what I've been saying.
There is a Real God. There is a Real Light. There is a Real Holy Spirit who is the Essence of Consciousness:
Entheogens.
You guess too often, mon ami. Free of it, you just may attain knowledge.
You demonstrated a deep lack of understanding of 'light' and the Holy Spirit, (New Testament) as corrected in my post here and your proposal, neglects, at the lowest naive level, every one of those mentioned religions at the highest level.
Regardless, if you have terminologies and comprehension mangled like a big plate of Spaghetti Bolognese, it's still your meal. Just be aware that people might 'attack' if you chuck it around in every sitting. Despite your unwillingness to actually see the metaphorical 'light', the thread stands for people to refer you to (the post where you misrepresent Christianity especially), when you claim, in the midst of meaningful theological and religious discussion, that 'God' is a tea bag.
Bon appetite.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
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MykoMyers said: Soma is the vibration produced by the pineal gland more specifically a point called bindu. when the semen unites with it. Definitely can't be done with entheogens alone especially with a shakey belief system this just releases energy and blocks it and usually creates more problems for one who hasn't lifted the kundalini to the bindu yet. but will give the person psychic like ability for a week or two even due to this usually being blocked in the solar plexus or sacral . Lot of times with cannabis and drug users blocked in vishuddhi or ajna giving rise to intuition or auditory hallucinations . Shakti is a type of fire like upward moving energy created in the perenium and the etheric body during sexual arousal . Shiva is mind. Consciousness . Energy becomes manifest . Unites with her dynamic counterpart . "Your brain". And then creating your reality through a law that's similar to gravity , magnetism.
Good to see some light. 
The drink 'Soma' is just named after the Soma which you refer to.
It activates the pineal / 'God organ', yet obviously isn't a requirement. The art is activating it without and blessed is every man who can.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Talking to you is like talking to a deaf person who thinks they hear what you're saying and then quotes you back in chinese.
There is no point in trying to talk to someone who believes that nothing is something.
To exist, something has to be something.
"Something which has existed since the beginning, that we have heard, and we have seen with our own eyes; that we have watched and touched with our hands: the Word who is life - this is our subject." 1John, 1,1
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I post this for the benefit of those who aren't deaf. This is from the website of the Oklevueha Native American Church. It is found under the heading "Peyote, the Flesh of God".
"The Huichole tribe now consists of about 25,000 people who live in the Sierra Madre Occidental mountain region of northwestern Mexico. Most of their sacred practices revolve around the use of peyote, which they hold as the physical manifestation of God. "
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endogenous said: Talking to you is like talking to a deaf person who thinks they hear what you're saying and then quotes you back in chinese.
There is no point in trying to talk to someone who believes that nothing is something.
To exist, something has to be something.
"Something which has existed since the beginning, that we have heard, and we have seen with our own eyes; that we have watched and touched with our hands: the Word who is life - this is our subject." 1John, 1,1
...and yet here you are 'talking', and again with another BIble quote....
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I post this for the benefit of those who aren't deaf. This is from the website of the Oklevueha Native American Church. It is found under the heading "Peyote, the Flesh of God".
"The Huichole tribe now consists of about 25,000 people who live in the Sierra Madre Occidental mountain region of northwestern Mexico. Most of their sacred practices revolve around the use of peyote, which they hold as the physical manifestation of God. "
More results of scavenge. More symbolism.
There is no physical manifest of God. It's just name given to a plant which reportedly gives a connection to God. They therefore, assign a manifest of God, because He is not a manifest in the world, but an omnipotent entity in and of the heaven ether. Exactly the same principle of building a brick and mortar church.
No-one (but you), deaf or otherwise, assumes a cacti to literally be 'God' or his flesh.
When you cease striving to be correct, you might begin to understand.
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As I said, like a Christian trying to spout off their beliefs to an atheist lol. You can't really spout off a theory to someone regarding it as fact and get frustrated with them because they don't agree with you. That's just ignorant, just like every other person of religious belief you'd like to think you found the one ultimate truth, that out of the hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of beliefs out there that you just so happened to find the absolutely correct one without a shadow of a doubt. It doesn't work like that though, even if you are correct you'll never know and you'll never be able to prove it. That's why it's probably good not to just anchor yourself on to one thing. Explore multiple view points with as little bias as possible. It'll help expand your own view point.
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It's acceptable to dictate the claim of The Bible to a person who quotes The Bible and it's acceptable to correct that which lacks layman logic with that in mind.
Those aspects are not personal beliefs. 
We have to comprehend the content before we can play the diplomat.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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It's really not at all like debating whether or not there is a god.. The fact that entheogens (I'm just going to call them for what they are, drugs) are not god can be proven today and is in fact hard science. Unless of course you wish to claim that every physical thing in this world is god, which is quite paradoxical.
And I have read through this whole conversation having yet seen the slightest shred of credible evidence from you (endogenous) that proves your statement is true. You keep using quotes from a book that is as old as the hills! Why may I ask do you think that proves anything?
I could literally write ANYTHING and publish it in a book, but does that make it true?... Aside from the fact that you have obviously misinterpreted those books..
Please, please, please do some research into what we already KNOW entheogens actually are. They are simple molecules that do some amazing things to our consciousness. You're obviously looking deeply into things yourself, and coming to your own conclusions. But you really must take advantage of the fact that there is a lot of people out there who have looked into this a lot deeper, and with a lot more knowledge about it than you or I, and have come to the conclusion, using physical measurements, that entheogens are in fact chemicals which are made up of the same stuff we are.
Thus, if you wrongly claim that a plant is a god then that means that I am also god... In which case I can tell you that you are wrong.
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Put quite simply, there is nothing distinguishing your beliefs from those of a flat earth theorist. Both the idea that the Earth is flat, and the idea that a mushroom or a chemical is literally god, can be proven otherwise.
Please do the nesessary research from CREDIBLE resources before posting another stupid passage from the bible.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
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How bout the fact that . The base of the spine holds power and you have no idea how to utilize it . Your futile attempts at using entheogens only get you so far. So you dance around the meanings of religions not realizing there might be someone lying to you or misleading. Stuck thinking of morals and shit. Not realizing power can be utilized for any mean. Think of what powers a lightbulb. Plug in . Add light to darkness . A frequency of light which travels in vacuums and its limits cannot be explained as it transcends time . A human only lives so long .
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The speed of causality can be explained.. This is what gives light it's speed limit. Look it up.
You cannot prove there is no god, but you can prove that god is not a mushroom.
There is extremely good evidence that we originated from the same early form of life that mushrooms did. Do you believe in evolution?
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sounds, vibrations , intentions , environment . All affect DNA. Every time mating occurs a new sequence is produced and balanced with precision by the great architect himself.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I post this for the benefit of those who aren't deaf. This is from the website of the Oklevueha Native American Church. It is found under the heading "Peyote, the Flesh of God".
"The Huichole tribe now consists of about 25,000 people who live in the Sierra Madre Occidental mountain region of northwestern Mexico. Most of their sacred practices revolve around the use of peyote, which they hold as the physical manifestation of God. "
More results of scavenge. More symbolism.
There is no physical manifest of God. It's just name given to a plant which reportedly gives a connection to God. They therefore, assign a manifest of God, because He is not a manifest in the world, but an omnipotent entity in and of the heaven ether. Exactly the same principle of building a brick and mortar church.
No-one (but you), deaf or otherwise, assumes a cacti to literally be 'God' or his flesh.
When you cease striving to be correct, you might begin to understand. 
Oh - I see - quoting some of my own old posts is "savenging the internet".
The quote says that the Huichol believe that Peyote is the physical manifestation of God.
But that doesn't matter. If the sun has risen and King Duncan says it's night -- it's night. (Ignore those beams coming through the curtains.) My man, I think a few of your marbles have come loose. It's a case of "who are you going to believe - King Duncan or your own eyes?".
So you are THE great authority on the Huichol Indians. You, over there in England, know more about them than the Oklevueha Native American Church.
Sheesh.
Well, at least you aren't saying that I don't believe that Entheogens are the true God. AMAZING!!!
Pardon me while I "scavenge" some more from some of my own posts.
The Native American Church was originally given an exemption to the US law prohibiting Peyote, because the Native American Church members believe that Peyote is a Deity.
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In 1970 Congress enacted a comprehensive revision of the narcotics laws, the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, which carried forward the controls on peyote, 21 U.S.C. § 812(c), Schedule I (c)(12). During hearings on this legislation, there occurred the following exchange between Congressman Satterfield and Mr. Sonnenreich of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs:
Mr. Satterfield. I have one other question. I recall when we were discussing dangerous drugs a few years ago, the question came up about the Native American Church involving Indians in the west who use and have for centuries used peyote in connection with religious services. It is my understanding that they enjoy an exemption under the current law.
My question is whether in any of the bills we have before us, if passed, would in any way affect this present exemption?
1251 *1251 Mr. Sonnenreich. In the first instance, Mr. Satterfield, the Native American Church did ask us by letter as to whether or not the regulation, exempting them by regulation, would be continued and we assured them that it would because of the history of the church. We presently are involved in another hearing regarding another church that is a non-Indian church that is seeking the exemption and the order is going to be published. I believe, either today or tomorrow denying them the same exemption as the Native American Church.
We consider the Native American Church to be sui generis. The history and tradition of the church is such that there is no question but that they regard peyote as a deity as it were, and we will continue the exemption.
Mr. Satterfield. You do not see anything in the Senate bill that would make this impossible?
Mr. Sonnenreich. No. Under the existing law originally the Congress was going to write in a specific exemption but it was then decided that it would be handled by regulation and we intend to do it the same way under this law.
Mr. Satterfield. Thank you. I have no other questions.
(Drug Abuse Control Amendments of 1970, Hearings before the Subcommittee on Public Health & Welfare of the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, House of Representatives, 91st Cong., 2d Sess. 117-18 (1970)).
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We consider the Native American Church to be sui generis. The history and tradition of the church is such that there is no question but that they regard peyote as a deity as it were, and we will continue the exemption.'
The Peyote is not regarded as a literal God. It is symbolic - assigned as a God, hence the 'as it were' suffix, the definition of which means 'in a way'.
You therefore need only pardon yourself. 
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You're unbelievable. Go ahead and keep clutching at straws and playing word games to try to make what is obvious seem other than what it is.
Some more "scavenging" of my own collection. This is the court case that led to the exemption that the US Congress was discussing.
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Peyote constitutes in itself an object of worship; prayers are directed to it much as prayers are devoted to the Holy Ghost.
People vs. Woody, 61 Cal.2d 716, 394 P.2d 813, 40 Cal.Rptr. 69
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It's obvious that you're just playing word games to try and win an argument and you don't care what the truth is.
And "as it were" in the sentence in question, means "although it isn't the way we do it".
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What is obvious is that you think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't have much of a clue. All you've done is quote bible passages as "proof" and have then proceeded to ignore very good, and valid points from multiple people..
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This thread lol
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endogenous said: You're unbelievable. Go ahead and keep clutching at straws and playing word games to try to make what is obvious seem other than what it is.
Some more "scavenging" of my own collection. This is the court case that led to the exemption that the US Congress was discussing.
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Peyote constitutes in itself an object of worship; prayers are directed to it much as prayers are devoted to the Holy Ghost.
People vs. Woody, 61 Cal.2d 716, 394 P.2d 813, 40 Cal.Rptr. 69
You provide the words. I provide the factual definitions and then, eventually tell you (like others have), that no quote holds weight.
Peyote as an 'object of worship', does not make it a literal God nor flesh of God. 
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endogenous said: And "as it were" in the sentence in question, means "although it isn't the way we do it".
That's certainly not what it means. : 
as it were
phrase of as 1. in a way (used to be less precise). "areas which have been, as it were, pushed aside" synonyms: so to speak, in a manner of speaking, in a way, in some way or other, to some extent, so to say; informalsort of "the street plan evolved, as it were, by natural selection"
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
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Bardy said: What is obvious is that you think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't have much of a clue. All you've done is quote bible passages as "proof" and have then proceeded to ignore very good, and valid points from multiple people..
This is the way it always go, and there's no point in arguing it. Endogy is correct and everybody else is wrong, that's the way it is, and that's the way it always will be. He has Seen the Light and there's no going back from that.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I too have had apocalyptic visions, once I basically saw a futuristic world in flames, destroyed by greed and industry. There were some kind of war machines leveling a city, it was a really dark vision. I had the feeling that that will be our future if greed and industry continue to run the world, it was very eerie to say the least.
I had another vision, possibly from the same night, of a huge pile of caricature like skeletons. At the top of the mound was one skeleton that wore a crown of gold. It seemed like a pretty straight forward metaphor to me. If we continue to worship gold/ greed it will be the end of us all. It felt more like the universe giving me a glimpse of a possible future for us then anything else.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: He has Seen the Light and there's no going back from that. 
And continue to see Them on a daily basis. 
"Oh Thou Lord, Thy dead shall Live again, rising from the dust with songs of joy.
For Thy Dew falls with Light and Life, til dead spirits arise." Isaiah,26,19
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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The "live coal" literally translated means "Living Rock". Isaiah, 6,3
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3 And (the Seraphs) cried out one to another in this way,
"Holy, holy, holy is Yahweh Sabaoth. Their glory fills the whole earth."
4 The foundations of the threshold shook with the voice of the one who cried out, and the Temple was filled with smoke. 5 I said : "What a wretched state I am in! I am lost, for I am a man of unclean lips and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have looked at the King. Yahweh Sabaoth."
6 Then one of the seraphs flew to me, holding in his hand a live coal (Living Rock) which he had taken from the altar with a pair of tongs. 7 With this he touched my mouth and said : "See now, this has touched your lips, your sin is taken away, your iniquity is purged."
8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying : "Whom shall I send? Who will be our messenger?"
I answered, "Here I am, send me." 9 He said : "Go, and say to this people,
'You listen and listen but do not understand, you look and look but do not perceive.
10 The heart of this people is gross, its ear dull; its eyes, shut, so that it will not see with its eyes, hear with its ears, understand with its heart, and be converted and healed."
11 Then I said, "Until when, Lord?" He answered : "Until towns have been laid to waste and deserted, houses left untenanted, countryside made desolate, 12 and Yahweh drives the people out.
There will be a great emptiness in the country 13 and, though a tenth of the people remain, it will be stripped like a terebinth of which, once felled, only the stock remains.
The stock is a holy seed."
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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Your intention to win has you spewing like a spout. Deep down you need reassurance . For yourself . Perhaps entheogens lift the consciousness to see God . Perhaps God is an all encompassing ether composed of mind. Unfolded like an onion it's blessings bring tears to your eyes taste sweet but to see the truth can hurt ( I made that up right now ) Perhaps perhaps
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23673830 - 09/24/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: He has Seen the Light and there's no going back from that. 
And continue to see Them on a daily basis. 
"Oh Thou Lord, Thy dead shall Live again, rising from the dust with songs of joy.
For Thy Dew falls with Light and Life, til dead spirits arise." Isaiah,26,19
No 'them'.
Only you.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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The experience of the godhead does strange things to some people - others just accept it, that this is "How It Is", and have no need to proclaim what has become so obvious. It's a side effect of psychedelics, and I think most people go through various stages in dealing with it.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: The experience of the godhead does strange things to some people - others just accept it, that this is "How It Is", and have no need to proclaim what has become so obvious. It's a side effect of psychedelics, and I think most people go through various stages in dealing with it.
I think the projection upon an object, rather than realising that it's of the self, is a caused by a great sense of unworthiness expressed through guilt of having separated from the Godhead. This idea seems to be the minds default, encouraged by the ego to maintain remote distance from this realization.
It's true that we project ourselves upon other people. That's to say, when we don't like something about ourselves, we will see it in another. I think that the opposite can be true in that when we experience a supreme pureness, we still can't withdraw our sight to recognise that it's that feeling and quality that's actually within us, rather than outside of us.
It just lends and adheres to the notion that the material world is just one big, fragmented expression of an otherwise concentrated one 'self' - 'The Son'. Like sand dispersed, the process allows us to eradicate the glass shards and fuse the grains back to a pure, single, solid rock. We're the keepers of the beach, that could well be paradise, but we insist on delegating the role.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Endogenous - and other people who've had these experiences - is very consistent in his or her belief structure. That it sounds off to many people likely just reinforces it. When you have the "true" insight, those who disagree with you merely underscore the special nature of your experiential reality. It doesn't help that the culture at large has disassociated itself from embedded spirituality with its constant emphasis on elevating the mundane, apparently to take its place, but in a commercial sense which spirituality doesn't possess.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23674193 - 09/24/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think our experiences can be similar, yet the underlying notion of how the experience is manifesting differs largely. Referring to the person in question, and with my own view in mind, I don't think knowledge and study is lost by any means. I think it need only take a transplant of thought in that the substance is the self. Akin perhaps to reading a book about someone only to discover near to the end, that it's actually about onself.
Emphasis, again is on guilt and projection is the root cause.
On the topic at large, from my view, it isn't to say we can't feel the essence of a substance. Carlos Castenada / Don Juans accounts are one of the most commonly known as the Peyote manifesting as a being and this has been reported vastly, but the omnipotent God or even 'Gods' is another concept, another plane and the former, a much gargantuan height standing as a canopy above all which it embodies. It's the deep, rich, self defining, self answering everything which goes far beyond anything we can possibly begin to consider, for it defines the act of consideration itself.
Jesus taught not to spend too much time in the fathom. The key is to refine onself to tap into the light (the Holy Spirit in ourselves, which is the allegorical, high speed connection to the divine) to gain traction on the path when, upon relinquishing this existance, we segue seamlessly into the resolve. That is to say, nothing on this level holds any power at all in constrast to where you we headed. The most important aspect is getting on channel.
When we accomplish this act, valid books become mere reminders of what we already know. The psyche is freed of sensitivity to invalid dictation and a wealth of natural knowledge flows freely which puts us in the seat as the author.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said: Akin perhaps to reading a book about someone only to discover near to the end, that it's actually about onself.
Good point. Or better, writing that book for yourself.
I've definitely met the mushroom "Gods", and that was impressive, but most often I'm just put in touch with the spirit realm (if I choose), and the way it works is far different from mundane reality. However, the projections from that hyperdimensional realm take many forms, which we perceive and categorize in our own way. As even Jeebus said, "My father's house has a whole lot of mansions" - it wasn't metaphorical, it was literal, a rendering of an esoteric truth into mundane comprehension.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23674406 - 09/24/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl said: Akin perhaps to reading a book about someone only to discover near to the end, that it's actually about onself.
Good point. Or better, writing that book for yourself.
I've definitely met the mushroom "Gods", and that was impressive, but most often I'm just put in touch with the spirit realm (if I choose), and the way it works is far different from mundane reality. However, the projections from that hyperdimensional realm take many forms, which we perceive and categorize in our own way. As even Jeebus said, "My father's house has a whole lot of mansions" - it wasn't metaphorical, it was literal, a rendering of an esoteric truth into mundane comprehension.
The mind tends to have the ability to sheathe an impression in a 'visable' form, either by apparent 'physical' apparition or behind eyelids.
The 'Angel' (which is symbolic of the essence of God), can express it's essence through a literal white door, with the handle is an offering hand, or a fireplace symbolising sin / ego by its gothic decor and unforgiving flames. Likewise, a pattern in a Tiffany Lamp can show a grimace or a smiling face.
This appears to by a form of 'clothing' by perception which seems to be true of the physical and spirit world. It seems to apply the shoe that fits.
Life of Pi
Adult Pi Patel: Faith is a house with many rooms. Writer: But no room for doubt? Adult Pi Patel: Oh plenty, on every floor.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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I'll just take a room at the Hilbert Hotel, thanks.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: The experience of the godhead does strange things to some people - others just accept it, that this is "How It Is", and have no need to proclaim what has become so obvious. It's a side effect of psychedelics, and I think most people go through various stages in dealing with it.
I look at it from this point of view: LSD and nuclear fission were both discovered in 1938.
God and Satan.
"God has set fire and water before you; put out your hand to whichever you prefer. Humans have life and death before them; whichever a person likes better will be given them " --Ecclesiasticus, 15,16
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
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I've pretty much only had trips that tell me our universe is coming to an end :/
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: I'll just take a room at the Hilbert Hotel, thanks.
Mary and Joseph couldn't find it.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23676538 - 09/25/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude I'm pretty convinced you have to be joking .
These are positive and negative forces .
Adam and Eve are related to atoms and elementary forces that birthed other forces thru Being tempted by the creative force causing increasing division and illusion of divisions. Increasing 'maya' Greek chronos was when the first forces gave birth to time the God who "eats" sacrifices his children related to time and Saturn. Mans connection to the heavens is thru there connection to universal mind . Quintessence . AEther
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23676544 - 09/25/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They could even get separate rooms if they wanted. And one for the little babe as well. 
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I've pretty much only had trips that tell me our universe is coming to an end :/
I think those are pretty common. Once had a trip where I was convinced a gang of Hell's Angels were coming to kill me. Didn't happen either...
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I wonder why though lol. I went pretty bat shit crazy, tried to convince all my friends, they just think Im a fucking whacko now lmao
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
#23676808 - 09/25/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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MykoMyers said: Dude I'm pretty convinced you have to be joking.
A switch to LSD from Peyote is no laughing matter.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23676925 - 09/25/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are chemicals ingesting chemicals to change chemical makeup inside the vessel. What substance works and brings joy and connectedness to the spirit is all that matters. You can't tell someone hey mushrooms will change your life and just expect it to happen to that person. It works out how it works out for them. I have a friend who prefers ayahuasca to pure dmt. But I know a ton of people who's lives have been changed from an isolated chemical with a little organic chemistry... Something works for you that's great it does not mean it will work for another. A chemical trip told you not to do nitrious. Well that's wild because the synergy has intensified tons of experience for me and friends. Some have brought me closer to thoughtless distraction so I could sit with spirit and experience it that much more. Let go of it all what was I saying oh I forgot because I did nitrious jk let it go. Nitrious oxide is a natural occurring gas that happens from photosynthesis in the air above the ocean.... Humans just became smart enough to synthesize it in a lab. LSD also changed great minds and it is synthesized in a lab get where I'm going with this.... Idk these things I have read from some past post are nothing more then opinion even so my own. I only got through a few pages and my ego had to jump on board. By the way salvia is an entheogen and produces some of the most vivid experiences through quid I have ever had. Some more so then my peyote and ayahuasca visions lol. Entheogen does mean the divine within straight up Wikipedia shit but so much is lost in language. Different strokes for different folks I will leave it at that.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Rhizomorpheus]
#23677030 - 09/25/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your getting to the repressed basis of societys issues. The contradiction of our caringness about falsity especally possessions and money. They could all be invalidated through the fact that at any second, we could be obliterated into nothing. The more I do psyches the more it pushes me deeper as to why things are the way they are and basically, we're all scared, and we all want to be comfortable so we push the bad to the back of our minds and repress what we know to be the answer.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23722637 - 10/09/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not what I expected but great anyway! I did 14ish grams in tea a few nights ago and asked questions relating to the end. I'm moving away from all cities..that's no shit. ✌
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
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MykoMyers said: Your intention to win has you spewing like a spout. Deep down you need reassurance . For yourself . Perhaps entheogens lift the consciousness to see God . Perhaps God is an all encompassing ether composed of mind. Unfolded like an onion it's blessings bring tears to your eyes taste sweet but to see the truth can hurt ( I made that up right now ) Perhaps perhaps
Actually there are several reasons why I continue to speak to people who so strongly resist Hearing.
Was there ever a Prophet or Saint who didn't meet with strong resistance from the people of God (Entheogens), to the Knowledge that God is Entheogens?
As I have frequently posted before:
"The real Light, which enlightens every person, was coming then into the world . They entered the world - the world which existed through Them, yet the world did not recognize Them; They came to what was Their own, yet Their own folk did not welcome Them. On those who have accepted Them, however, They have conferred the right of being children of God, that is, on those who believe in Their Name, who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood, nor to any impulse of the flesh or of humans." – St. John, 1, 9
And, though you probably don't believe it, -- there is a Satan. And anyone who wants to be close to God (Entheogens) is going to want to battle Satan since Satan wants to extinguish the Light.
Now the way to fight Satan is to spread the Knowledge of who God is.
(Christ said) "O just Creator, the world has not known You, but I have known You, and these have known that You have sent me. So have I declared, so will I declare Your Name to them." --St. John, 17,25
Also, I am looking for the credit that comes from God. I seek to do what They Show me, and They DO reward me.
(Christ said) "Here am I, come in the Name of the Creator, and you will not accept me; let someone else come in their own name, and you will accept them! How can you believe, you who desire the credit of one another, instead of aiming at the credit which comes from the only God?" – St. John 5,43
And, I do enjoy the reminders myself.
"What else is evil death except ignorance? What else is evil darkness except familiarity with forgetfulness?" -- Gospel of St. Silvanus (Gnostic)
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