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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23669496 - 09/22/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds, vibrations , intentions , environment . All affect DNA. Every time mating occurs a new sequence is produced and balanced with precision by the great architect himself.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23669917 - 09/23/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I post this for the benefit of those who aren't deaf. This is from the website of the Oklevueha Native American Church. It is found under the heading "Peyote, the Flesh of God".
"The Huichole tribe now consists of about 25,000 people who live in the Sierra Madre Occidental mountain region of northwestern Mexico. Most of their sacred practices revolve around the use of peyote, which they hold as the physical manifestation of God. "
More results of scavenge. More symbolism.
There is no physical manifest of God. It's just name given to a plant which reportedly gives a connection to God. They therefore, assign a manifest of God, because He is not a manifest in the world, but an omnipotent entity in and of the heaven ether. Exactly the same principle of building a brick and mortar church.
No-one (but you), deaf or otherwise, assumes a cacti to literally be 'God' or his flesh.
When you cease striving to be correct, you might begin to understand. 
Oh - I see - quoting some of my own old posts is "savenging the internet".
The quote says that the Huichol believe that Peyote is the physical manifestation of God.
But that doesn't matter. If the sun has risen and King Duncan says it's night -- it's night. (Ignore those beams coming through the curtains.) My man, I think a few of your marbles have come loose. It's a case of "who are you going to believe - King Duncan or your own eyes?".
So you are THE great authority on the Huichol Indians. You, over there in England, know more about them than the Oklevueha Native American Church.
Sheesh.
Well, at least you aren't saying that I don't believe that Entheogens are the true God. AMAZING!!!
Pardon me while I "scavenge" some more from some of my own posts.
The Native American Church was originally given an exemption to the US law prohibiting Peyote, because the Native American Church members believe that Peyote is a Deity.
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In 1970 Congress enacted a comprehensive revision of the narcotics laws, the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, which carried forward the controls on peyote, 21 U.S.C. § 812(c), Schedule I (c)(12). During hearings on this legislation, there occurred the following exchange between Congressman Satterfield and Mr. Sonnenreich of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs:
Mr. Satterfield. I have one other question. I recall when we were discussing dangerous drugs a few years ago, the question came up about the Native American Church involving Indians in the west who use and have for centuries used peyote in connection with religious services. It is my understanding that they enjoy an exemption under the current law.
My question is whether in any of the bills we have before us, if passed, would in any way affect this present exemption?
1251 *1251 Mr. Sonnenreich. In the first instance, Mr. Satterfield, the Native American Church did ask us by letter as to whether or not the regulation, exempting them by regulation, would be continued and we assured them that it would because of the history of the church. We presently are involved in another hearing regarding another church that is a non-Indian church that is seeking the exemption and the order is going to be published. I believe, either today or tomorrow denying them the same exemption as the Native American Church.
We consider the Native American Church to be sui generis. The history and tradition of the church is such that there is no question but that they regard peyote as a deity as it were, and we will continue the exemption.
Mr. Satterfield. You do not see anything in the Senate bill that would make this impossible?
Mr. Sonnenreich. No. Under the existing law originally the Congress was going to write in a specific exemption but it was then decided that it would be handled by regulation and we intend to do it the same way under this law.
Mr. Satterfield. Thank you. I have no other questions.
(Drug Abuse Control Amendments of 1970, Hearings before the Subcommittee on Public Health & Welfare of the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, House of Representatives, 91st Cong., 2d Sess. 117-18 (1970)).
Edited by endogenous (09/23/16 01:47 AM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23670011 - 09/23/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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We consider the Native American Church to be sui generis. The history and tradition of the church is such that there is no question but that they regard peyote as a deity as it were, and we will continue the exemption.'
The Peyote is not regarded as a literal God. It is symbolic - assigned as a God, hence the 'as it were' suffix, the definition of which means 'in a way'.
You therefore need only pardon yourself. 
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/23/16 04:40 AM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23670119 - 09/23/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're unbelievable. Go ahead and keep clutching at straws and playing word games to try to make what is obvious seem other than what it is.
Some more "scavenging" of my own collection. This is the court case that led to the exemption that the US Congress was discussing.
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Peyote constitutes in itself an object of worship; prayers are directed to it much as prayers are devoted to the Holy Ghost.
People vs. Woody, 61 Cal.2d 716, 394 P.2d 813, 40 Cal.Rptr. 69
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23670161 - 09/23/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's obvious that you're just playing word games to try and win an argument and you don't care what the truth is.
And "as it were" in the sentence in question, means "although it isn't the way we do it".
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23670324 - 09/23/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is obvious is that you think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't have much of a clue. All you've done is quote bible passages as "proof" and have then proceeded to ignore very good, and valid points from multiple people..
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23670346 - 09/23/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread lol
-------------------- you better pray to god there's some fucking thorazine in that bag
Edited by dcthestar (09/23/16 08:10 AM)
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Duncan Rowhl
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23670371 - 09/23/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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endogenous said: You're unbelievable. Go ahead and keep clutching at straws and playing word games to try to make what is obvious seem other than what it is.
Some more "scavenging" of my own collection. This is the court case that led to the exemption that the US Congress was discussing.
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Peyote constitutes in itself an object of worship; prayers are directed to it much as prayers are devoted to the Holy Ghost.
People vs. Woody, 61 Cal.2d 716, 394 P.2d 813, 40 Cal.Rptr. 69
You provide the words. I provide the factual definitions and then, eventually tell you (like others have), that no quote holds weight.
Peyote as an 'object of worship', does not make it a literal God nor flesh of God. 
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endogenous said: And "as it were" in the sentence in question, means "although it isn't the way we do it".
That's certainly not what it means. : 
as it were
phrase of as 1. in a way (used to be less precise). "areas which have been, as it were, pushed aside" synonyms: so to speak, in a manner of speaking, in a way, in some way or other, to some extent, so to say; informalsort of "the street plan evolved, as it were, by natural selection"
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/23/16 08:57 AM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23671067 - 09/23/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bardy said: What is obvious is that you think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't have much of a clue. All you've done is quote bible passages as "proof" and have then proceeded to ignore very good, and valid points from multiple people..
This is the way it always go, and there's no point in arguing it. Endogy is correct and everybody else is wrong, that's the way it is, and that's the way it always will be. He has Seen the Light and there's no going back from that.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23671313 - 09/23/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I too have had apocalyptic visions, once I basically saw a futuristic world in flames, destroyed by greed and industry. There were some kind of war machines leveling a city, it was a really dark vision. I had the feeling that that will be our future if greed and industry continue to run the world, it was very eerie to say the least.
I had another vision, possibly from the same night, of a huge pile of caricature like skeletons. At the top of the mound was one skeleton that wore a crown of gold. It seemed like a pretty straight forward metaphor to me. If we continue to worship gold/ greed it will be the end of us all. It felt more like the universe giving me a glimpse of a possible future for us then anything else.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23672854 - 09/24/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: He has Seen the Light and there's no going back from that. 
And continue to see Them on a daily basis. 
"Oh Thou Lord, Thy dead shall Live again, rising from the dust with songs of joy.
For Thy Dew falls with Light and Life, til dead spirits arise." Isaiah,26,19
-------------------- The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.
Edited by endogenous (09/24/16 03:34 AM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23672901 - 09/24/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The "live coal" literally translated means "Living Rock". Isaiah, 6,3
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3 And (the Seraphs) cried out one to another in this way,
"Holy, holy, holy is Yahweh Sabaoth. Their glory fills the whole earth."
4 The foundations of the threshold shook with the voice of the one who cried out, and the Temple was filled with smoke. 5 I said : "What a wretched state I am in! I am lost, for I am a man of unclean lips and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have looked at the King. Yahweh Sabaoth."
6 Then one of the seraphs flew to me, holding in his hand a live coal (Living Rock) which he had taken from the altar with a pair of tongs. 7 With this he touched my mouth and said : "See now, this has touched your lips, your sin is taken away, your iniquity is purged."
8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying : "Whom shall I send? Who will be our messenger?"
I answered, "Here I am, send me." 9 He said : "Go, and say to this people,
'You listen and listen but do not understand, you look and look but do not perceive.
10 The heart of this people is gross, its ear dull; its eyes, shut, so that it will not see with its eyes, hear with its ears, understand with its heart, and be converted and healed."
11 Then I said, "Until when, Lord?" He answered : "Until towns have been laid to waste and deserted, houses left untenanted, countryside made desolate, 12 and Yahweh drives the people out.
There will be a great emptiness in the country 13 and, though a tenth of the people remain, it will be stripped like a terebinth of which, once felled, only the stock remains.
The stock is a holy seed."
-------------------- The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.
Edited by endogenous (09/24/16 03:15 AM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23673626 - 09/24/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your intention to win has you spewing like a spout. Deep down you need reassurance . For yourself . Perhaps entheogens lift the consciousness to see God . Perhaps God is an all encompassing ether composed of mind. Unfolded like an onion it's blessings bring tears to your eyes taste sweet but to see the truth can hurt ( I made that up right now ) Perhaps perhaps
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23673830 - 09/24/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: He has Seen the Light and there's no going back from that. 
And continue to see Them on a daily basis. 
"Oh Thou Lord, Thy dead shall Live again, rising from the dust with songs of joy.
For Thy Dew falls with Light and Life, til dead spirits arise." Isaiah,26,19
No 'them'.
Only you.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23673850 - 09/24/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The experience of the godhead does strange things to some people - others just accept it, that this is "How It Is", and have no need to proclaim what has become so obvious. It's a side effect of psychedelics, and I think most people go through various stages in dealing with it.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23674018 - 09/24/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: The experience of the godhead does strange things to some people - others just accept it, that this is "How It Is", and have no need to proclaim what has become so obvious. It's a side effect of psychedelics, and I think most people go through various stages in dealing with it.
I think the projection upon an object, rather than realising that it's of the self, is a caused by a great sense of unworthiness expressed through guilt of having separated from the Godhead. This idea seems to be the minds default, encouraged by the ego to maintain remote distance from this realization.
It's true that we project ourselves upon other people. That's to say, when we don't like something about ourselves, we will see it in another. I think that the opposite can be true in that when we experience a supreme pureness, we still can't withdraw our sight to recognise that it's that feeling and quality that's actually within us, rather than outside of us.
It just lends and adheres to the notion that the material world is just one big, fragmented expression of an otherwise concentrated one 'self' - 'The Son'. Like sand dispersed, the process allows us to eradicate the glass shards and fuse the grains back to a pure, single, solid rock. We're the keepers of the beach, that could well be paradise, but we insist on delegating the role.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23674075 - 09/24/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Endogenous - and other people who've had these experiences - is very consistent in his or her belief structure. That it sounds off to many people likely just reinforces it. When you have the "true" insight, those who disagree with you merely underscore the special nature of your experiential reality. It doesn't help that the culture at large has disassociated itself from embedded spirituality with its constant emphasis on elevating the mundane, apparently to take its place, but in a commercial sense which spirituality doesn't possess.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23674193 - 09/24/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think our experiences can be similar, yet the underlying notion of how the experience is manifesting differs largely. Referring to the person in question, and with my own view in mind, I don't think knowledge and study is lost by any means. I think it need only take a transplant of thought in that the substance is the self. Akin perhaps to reading a book about someone only to discover near to the end, that it's actually about onself.
Emphasis, again is on guilt and projection is the root cause.
On the topic at large, from my view, it isn't to say we can't feel the essence of a substance. Carlos Castenada / Don Juans accounts are one of the most commonly known as the Peyote manifesting as a being and this has been reported vastly, but the omnipotent God or even 'Gods' is another concept, another plane and the former, a much gargantuan height standing as a canopy above all which it embodies. It's the deep, rich, self defining, self answering everything which goes far beyond anything we can possibly begin to consider, for it defines the act of consideration itself.
Jesus taught not to spend too much time in the fathom. The key is to refine onself to tap into the light (the Holy Spirit in ourselves, which is the allegorical, high speed connection to the divine) to gain traction on the path when, upon relinquishing this existance, we segue seamlessly into the resolve. That is to say, nothing on this level holds any power at all in constrast to where you we headed. The most important aspect is getting on channel.
When we accomplish this act, valid books become mere reminders of what we already know. The psyche is freed of sensitivity to invalid dictation and a wealth of natural knowledge flows freely which puts us in the seat as the author.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23674266 - 09/24/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl said: Akin perhaps to reading a book about someone only to discover near to the end, that it's actually about onself.
Good point. Or better, writing that book for yourself.
I've definitely met the mushroom "Gods", and that was impressive, but most often I'm just put in touch with the spirit realm (if I choose), and the way it works is far different from mundane reality. However, the projections from that hyperdimensional realm take many forms, which we perceive and categorize in our own way. As even Jeebus said, "My father's house has a whole lot of mansions" - it wasn't metaphorical, it was literal, a rendering of an esoteric truth into mundane comprehension.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23674406 - 09/24/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl said: Akin perhaps to reading a book about someone only to discover near to the end, that it's actually about onself.
Good point. Or better, writing that book for yourself.
I've definitely met the mushroom "Gods", and that was impressive, but most often I'm just put in touch with the spirit realm (if I choose), and the way it works is far different from mundane reality. However, the projections from that hyperdimensional realm take many forms, which we perceive and categorize in our own way. As even Jeebus said, "My father's house has a whole lot of mansions" - it wasn't metaphorical, it was literal, a rendering of an esoteric truth into mundane comprehension.
The mind tends to have the ability to sheathe an impression in a 'visable' form, either by apparent 'physical' apparition or behind eyelids.
The 'Angel' (which is symbolic of the essence of God), can express it's essence through a literal white door, with the handle is an offering hand, or a fireplace symbolising sin / ego by its gothic decor and unforgiving flames. Likewise, a pattern in a Tiffany Lamp can show a grimace or a smiling face.
This appears to by a form of 'clothing' by perception which seems to be true of the physical and spirit world. It seems to apply the shoe that fits.
Life of Pi
Adult Pi Patel: Faith is a house with many rooms. Writer: But no room for doubt? Adult Pi Patel: Oh plenty, on every floor.
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