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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23665805 - 09/21/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Confirmation of having read my elongated posts is appreciated, even if the elongated errors of yours still remain unacknowledged, seemingly to save face on the remaining, proposed fallacy of 'God' (which has now ironically been exemplified as only one of 330,000,000 Gods), being a plant.
Are you really that uninformed or are you just saying this to support your argument?
Christianity has millions of saints but only a few are well known.
"But what you have come to is Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem where the millions of angels have gathered for the festival, with the whole Church in which everyone is a "first-born son" and a citizen of heaven" -- Hebrews, 12,22
The "Trimurti" of present day Hindus is Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva. And Shiva is associated with Soma/Amrita/Marijuana.
In Vedic times Indra was the main God. He was the King of the Gods and He was closely associated with Soma.
It's hard to believe that you don't know this.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23666096 - 09/21/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's even the point of arguing about this subject? lol. Arguing about whether entheogens are gods or not is basically the same thing as a Christian and an atheist arguing whether there's an afterlife and a creator or not. At the end of the day neither of you know what the truth is, and you never will. No matter how many books you read, lectures you listen to, or psychedelics you take your objective knowledge on the subject will never increase. That's why it's best just to keep an open mind to the whole spectrum of possibilities and hope you learn the truth after death.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23666102 - 09/21/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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endogenous said:
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Duncan Rowhl said:
Confirmation of having read my elongated posts is appreciated, even if the elongated errors of yours still remain unacknowledged, seemingly to save face on the remaining, proposed fallacy of 'God' (which has now ironically been exemplified as only one of 330,000,000 Gods), being a plant.
Are you really that uninformed or are you just saying this to support your argument?
Christianity has millions of saints but only a few are well known.
"But what you have come to is Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem where the millions of angels have gathered for the festival, with the whole Church in which everyone is a "first-born son" and a citizen of heaven" -- Hebrews, 12,22
The "Trimurti" of present day Hindus is Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva. And Shiva is associated with Soma/Amrita/Marijuana.
In Vedic times Indra was the main God. He was the King of the Gods and He was closely associated with Soma.
It's hard to believe that you don't know this.
It's not what is not known, rather how you twist what is known and introduce whatever you so frantically research, which results in retort that does not apply.
The number of Christian saints is irrelevant. Saints are not 'Gods' and you are still taking liberty to quote complete irrelevancies from a book in which your philosophy is not aligned, however if it is cherished as a valuable source of data, you could perhaps quote where exactly it is said (with clear indication) that 'God is an Entheogen'?
Again, you only speak of 'Soma' as a reference and not a substance. That is to say, there is no mention of Soma (The 'God') being the actual embodiment of the substance.
Your research, though long drawn out in each instance, yields little as a result of your desperation to simply find anything remotely connected as substance for defence. When you've read enough (Christianity first, I trust - the principles of which were sorely misunderstood), it will come naturally and with more reference, it will be more personal, dependable and mostly absent of non sequitur, contradiction and general mistake.
Tomorrows Google scavenge will be as futile as all previous, so sparing us, will be to your merit.
Go beyond that book and you'll expand your horizons considerably.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/21/16 11:10 PM)
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UniverseOfTheMind8 said: What's even the point of arguing about this subject? lol. Arguing about whether entheogens are gods or not is basically the same thing as a Christian and an atheist arguing whether there's an afterlife and a creator or not. At the end of the day neither of you know what the truth is, and you never will. No matter how many books you read, lectures you listen to, or psychedelics you take your objective knowledge on the subject will never increase. That's why it's best just to keep an open mind to the whole spectrum of possibilities and hope you learn the truth after death.
In a nutshell: an effect is not a cause (A plant is not an experience. It is a precursor.) - a truth of science and a 'God' is an aspect of language which tells us what it is and reflectively, what it is not.
There is a loss and misunderstanding of logic and semantics which is erroneous at the surface, and therefore tends not to be decision of 'open mind'.
'Could be anything' tends to be no grounds for discussion and has no place in theology.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/21/16 08:08 PM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23666919 - 09/22/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess, because you would have to "scavenge" the internet in order to find out what Hinduism is about, that you think I do as well? I guess you also forgot that I have quoted the Upanishads and the RgVeda, the Old and New Testaments?
I think it's time to end our discussion. Maybe, in time you will gain some understanding of what I've been saying.
There is a Real God. There is a Real Light. There is a Real Holy Spirit who is the Essence of Consciousness:
Entheogens.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23667007 - 09/22/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Soma is the vibration produced by the pineal gland more specifically a point called bindu. when the semen unites with it. Definitely can't be done with entheogens alone especially with a shakey belief system this just releases energy and blocks it and usually creates more problems for one who hasn't lifted the kundalini to the bindu yet. but will give the person psychic like ability for a week or two even due to this usually being blocked in the solar plexus or sacral . Lot of times with cannabis and drug users blocked in vishuddhi or ajna giving rise to intuition or auditory hallucinations . Shakti is a type of fire like upward moving energy created in the perenium and the etheric body during sexual arousal . Shiva is mind. Consciousness . Energy becomes manifest . Unites with her dynamic counterpart . "Your brain". And then creating your reality through a law that's similar to gravity , magnetism.
Edited by MykoMyers (09/22/16 02:42 AM)
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it keeps telling you that because the beginning of the end is now starting. Armageddon is coming. likely in the next 4 years or so.
It's closing time. if you haven't accepted Jesus yet you need to. Then you can start telling the people that you love to do so also. you do this because you dont want the people you care about to be separated from you forever.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#23667074 - 09/22/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aiko Aiko said: the rapture stuff is hogwash.
um no. Even muslims believe that Christ will return.
In their version Christ does not return as the savior of mankind but rather the executioner of all jews, christians, hindus, and non-muslims or "infidels" they call us.
They claim that Christ will then confess that his virgin birth, his resurrection from death, and all the miracles he performed were lies. That he is NOT the son of God but a prophet whos god is Allah.
The Quran goes on to say in surah whatever anyone who believes Jesus is the son of God will burn in Hell forever.
What blows my mind is how they try and say the christian Jesus and their Jesus are the same. That is so sooooo absolutely WRONG. What a fucking joke. its not funny at all, and it really pisses me off.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23667215 - 09/22/16 05:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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endogenous said: I guess, because you would have to "scavenge" the internet in order to find out what Hinduism is about, that you think I do as well? I guess you also forgot that I have quoted the Upanishads and the RgVeda, the Old and New Testaments?
I think it's time to end our discussion. Maybe, in time you will gain some understanding of what I've been saying.
There is a Real God. There is a Real Light. There is a Real Holy Spirit who is the Essence of Consciousness:
Entheogens.
You guess too often, mon ami. Free of it, you just may attain knowledge.
You demonstrated a deep lack of understanding of 'light' and the Holy Spirit, (New Testament) as corrected in my post here and your proposal, neglects, at the lowest naive level, every one of those mentioned religions at the highest level.
Regardless, if you have terminologies and comprehension mangled like a big plate of Spaghetti Bolognese, it's still your meal. Just be aware that people might 'attack' if you chuck it around in every sitting. Despite your unwillingness to actually see the metaphorical 'light', the thread stands for people to refer you to (the post where you misrepresent Christianity especially), when you claim, in the midst of meaningful theological and religious discussion, that 'God' is a tea bag.
Bon appetite.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/22/16 06:47 AM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
#23667256 - 09/22/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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MykoMyers said: Soma is the vibration produced by the pineal gland more specifically a point called bindu. when the semen unites with it. Definitely can't be done with entheogens alone especially with a shakey belief system this just releases energy and blocks it and usually creates more problems for one who hasn't lifted the kundalini to the bindu yet. but will give the person psychic like ability for a week or two even due to this usually being blocked in the solar plexus or sacral . Lot of times with cannabis and drug users blocked in vishuddhi or ajna giving rise to intuition or auditory hallucinations . Shakti is a type of fire like upward moving energy created in the perenium and the etheric body during sexual arousal . Shiva is mind. Consciousness . Energy becomes manifest . Unites with her dynamic counterpart . "Your brain". And then creating your reality through a law that's similar to gravity , magnetism.
Good to see some light. 
The drink 'Soma' is just named after the Soma which you refer to.
It activates the pineal / 'God organ', yet obviously isn't a requirement. The art is activating it without and blessed is every man who can.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23668633 - 09/22/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Talking to you is like talking to a deaf person who thinks they hear what you're saying and then quotes you back in chinese.
There is no point in trying to talk to someone who believes that nothing is something.
To exist, something has to be something.
"Something which has existed since the beginning, that we have heard, and we have seen with our own eyes; that we have watched and touched with our hands: the Word who is life - this is our subject." 1John, 1,1
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23668668 - 09/22/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I post this for the benefit of those who aren't deaf. This is from the website of the Oklevueha Native American Church. It is found under the heading "Peyote, the Flesh of God".
"The Huichole tribe now consists of about 25,000 people who live in the Sierra Madre Occidental mountain region of northwestern Mexico. Most of their sacred practices revolve around the use of peyote, which they hold as the physical manifestation of God. "
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23668670 - 09/22/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Talking to you is like talking to a deaf person who thinks they hear what you're saying and then quotes you back in chinese.
There is no point in trying to talk to someone who believes that nothing is something.
To exist, something has to be something.
"Something which has existed since the beginning, that we have heard, and we have seen with our own eyes; that we have watched and touched with our hands: the Word who is life - this is our subject." 1John, 1,1
...and yet here you are 'talking', and again with another BIble quote....
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23668677 - 09/22/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl said:
So, I assume you believe that the Hindus, Native Americans, Nahuas, Daime, etc., are wrong when they state that God has Flesh and that Flesh is an Entheogen?
Simply; referring to the bold, broad generalisation, 'they' don't claim this, so I only claim that the book in question (and you, regrettably) are wrong.
I post this for the benefit of those who aren't deaf. This is from the website of the Oklevueha Native American Church. It is found under the heading "Peyote, the Flesh of God".
"The Huichole tribe now consists of about 25,000 people who live in the Sierra Madre Occidental mountain region of northwestern Mexico. Most of their sacred practices revolve around the use of peyote, which they hold as the physical manifestation of God. "
More results of scavenge. More symbolism.
There is no physical manifest of God. It's just name given to a plant which reportedly gives a connection to God. They therefore, assign a manifest of God, because He is not a manifest in the world, but an omnipotent entity in and of the heaven ether. Exactly the same principle of building a brick and mortar church.
No-one (but you), deaf or otherwise, assumes a cacti to literally be 'God' or his flesh.
When you cease striving to be correct, you might begin to understand.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/22/16 05:15 PM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23668714 - 09/22/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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As I said, like a Christian trying to spout off their beliefs to an atheist lol. You can't really spout off a theory to someone regarding it as fact and get frustrated with them because they don't agree with you. That's just ignorant, just like every other person of religious belief you'd like to think you found the one ultimate truth, that out of the hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of beliefs out there that you just so happened to find the absolutely correct one without a shadow of a doubt. It doesn't work like that though, even if you are correct you'll never know and you'll never be able to prove it. That's why it's probably good not to just anchor yourself on to one thing. Explore multiple view points with as little bias as possible. It'll help expand your own view point.
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It's acceptable to dictate the claim of The Bible to a person who quotes The Bible and it's acceptable to correct that which lacks layman logic with that in mind.
Those aspects are not personal beliefs. 
We have to comprehend the content before we can play the diplomat.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/22/16 05:17 PM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: endogenous]
#23668861 - 09/22/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's really not at all like debating whether or not there is a god.. The fact that entheogens (I'm just going to call them for what they are, drugs) are not god can be proven today and is in fact hard science. Unless of course you wish to claim that every physical thing in this world is god, which is quite paradoxical.
And I have read through this whole conversation having yet seen the slightest shred of credible evidence from you (endogenous) that proves your statement is true. You keep using quotes from a book that is as old as the hills! Why may I ask do you think that proves anything?
I could literally write ANYTHING and publish it in a book, but does that make it true?... Aside from the fact that you have obviously misinterpreted those books..
Please, please, please do some research into what we already KNOW entheogens actually are. They are simple molecules that do some amazing things to our consciousness. You're obviously looking deeply into things yourself, and coming to your own conclusions. But you really must take advantage of the fact that there is a lot of people out there who have looked into this a lot deeper, and with a lot more knowledge about it than you or I, and have come to the conclusion, using physical measurements, that entheogens are in fact chemicals which are made up of the same stuff we are.
Thus, if you wrongly claim that a plant is a god then that means that I am also god... In which case I can tell you that you are wrong.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23668913 - 09/22/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Put quite simply, there is nothing distinguishing your beliefs from those of a flat earth theorist. Both the idea that the Earth is flat, and the idea that a mushroom or a chemical is literally god, can be proven otherwise.
Please do the nesessary research from CREDIBLE resources before posting another stupid passage from the bible.
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: Bardy]
#23669132 - 09/22/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How bout the fact that . The base of the spine holds power and you have no idea how to utilize it . Your futile attempts at using entheogens only get you so far. So you dance around the meanings of religions not realizing there might be someone lying to you or misleading. Stuck thinking of morals and shit. Not realizing power can be utilized for any mean. Think of what powers a lightbulb. Plug in . Add light to darkness . A frequency of light which travels in vacuums and its limits cannot be explained as it transcends time . A human only lives so long .
-------------------- Reishi for trade
Edited by MykoMyers (09/22/16 07:28 PM)
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Re: Why do mushrooms keep telling me... [Re: MykoMyers]
#23669398 - 09/22/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The speed of causality can be explained.. This is what gives light it's speed limit. Look it up.
You cannot prove there is no god, but you can prove that god is not a mushroom.
There is extremely good evidence that we originated from the same early form of life that mushrooms did. Do you believe in evolution?
Edited by Bardy (09/22/16 08:52 PM)
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