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Re: Kratom Withdrawal - How To Detox [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23636925 - 09/11/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like switching apples for apples to me..Enjoy your temporary illusions though

Sound familiar you damn hypocrite? lol


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Re: Kratom Withdrawal - How To Detox [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23636951 - 09/11/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Not really. The Kratom WD only lasts 3-5 days, and that's not long enough to develop a dependence to any of the things I mentioned .

So I can and have used pregabalin for the 3-4 days of Kratom WD, which isn't nearly long enough to become addicted to the pregabalin.

Yes if you persist in Using pregabalin daily for a prolonged time you will get a worse dependence than the one you had to Kratom, but using pregabalin or tianeptine or whatever for 3-4 days until the Kratom wd has passed won't cause a new addiction.

SAMe meanwhile isn't addictive and has no WD.

That's the beauty of it.

You take pregabalin for say 4 days, the Kratom WD passes painlessly and you stop taking pregabalin and you are done without experiencing any hardship at all.

The only drug that you can get withdrawal in only 3 days of use is phenibut and I don't recommend using that at all.

And yes loperamide is Moonshoe approved and will definitely help wd.





You got withdrawal in 3 days from taking phenibut? How much were you taking and how long did wd last?

I figured it'd take a couple weeks minimum... you sure it wasn't just rebound anxiety?


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Re: Kratom Withdrawal - How To Detox [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23636985 - 09/11/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Totally different.

Taking pregabalin for three days to quit kratom is not at all analogous to taking poppy pod tea every day long term.

One is quitting a daily habit, the other is maintaining a daily habit.

Poppy pod  and seed tea is literally straight opium. If you take poppy pod tea you are an opium addict exactly as if you smoked opium every day. Its literally the same alkaloids from the same plant.

Taking pregabalin for three days wont make you addicted to pregabalin.

The word hypocrite does not apply here.


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Re: Kratom Withdrawal - How To Detox [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23637024 - 09/11/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol yes it does. Youre still a hypocrite, actually worse because youre recommending switching to a more dangerous drug.

Never did i say i was taking poppy tea every day long term as a replacement. And it most certainly is a step down from iv heroin which was the subject of the other thread. To argue otherwise screams that you A)certainly have never done heroin and B)dont have a strong understanding of iv heroin use vs pst.

Also youre 3-4 day plan is just that, a plan. Everyone has a plan til they get punched in the face and addiction does just that.

Pop goes the weasel and the weasel goes POP! I caught you up in hypocrisy, admit it!


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Re: Kratom Withdrawal - How To Detox [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #23637058 - 09/11/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You are wrong. The term hypocrite does not apply at all in this situation.

Using pregabalin for three days to permanently quit kratom isnt even remotely analogous to having a daily pod tea habit.

It would be analogous if you took pod tea for three days to permanently quit heroin.

Pod tea and heroin are apples to apples. They are both literally different forms of the opiate poppy, and you are physically addicted to pod tea. You will get nasty withdrawal whenever you stop taking your tea.

Kratom and pregabalin are apples to oranges.  Totally different classes of drugs that act on totally different receptors. And using this method, you don't end up physically dependent on pregabalin. You won't withdraw from pregabalin after 3 days of use.

So on multiple levels these situations are not analogous, and therefore there is nothing hypocritical about me telling you that pod tea is just a different form of opium while also saying you can use pregabalin for three days to more painlessly quit kratom.


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Re: Kratom Withdrawal - How To Detox [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23637106 - 09/11/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Did you not read what i wrote or...?? Im not even going to repeat myself, re-read my post above but really read it this time. Then read your following post and notice your errors in the points youre debating with me on. Pst is totally a step down from iv heroin, to argue otherwise is just misinformation

Youre still totally a hypocrite and a drug snob as well. "Your" drugs and methods are kosher but not others. Switching one drug for another with worse withdrawals and side effects. Who is really gonna stop at day 3 realistically? If it works so well for kratom wd its highly likely one will either switch to it or revert back to kratom


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