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If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him.
    #23632548 - 09/10/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If God exists, then he is responsible for inventing pain and suffering. Human beings would have never designed a universe that included pain and suffering. God on the other hand (if he exists) did.

Furthermore, (if he exists) God sat back and watched the holocaust happen and did nothing. He watched people being tortured and raped to death throughout all of human history and did nothing. He saw people dying in trench warfare in World War 1, and people fighting and dying on the beaches of Germany in World War 2, and he did nothing. Human beings sure as fuck would have done something in his position as evidenced by the fact that human beings did in fact fight and die to stop the Nazis.

If he exists, God alone both created and is therefore directly responsible for all the pain and suffering that every living thing has ever experienced since the beginning of time.

Furthermore, if he exists, God is an absolute dictator, and therefore must be replaced by democracy. Dictators are never a good thing no matter who they are, especially if the dictator involved has absolute power over the universe. Absolute power over the universe is the one place above all others that would absolutely require a representation democracy. Anything else would be deeply immoral and unethical because it wouldn't accurately or truly represent or give voice to the people who suffer under its poor leadership.

Therefore, if God exists, we must overthrow him, put representational democracy in his place, and put God on trial for crimes against humanity for the creation of pain and suffering and for not to intervening in genocides and other atrocities like the holocaust.

What do you think?

Discuss.

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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman]
    #23632589 - 09/10/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What if God is a powerful but not actually omnipotent being who isn't able, for practical reasons, to fully address the horrors you mention.  I mean, it's possible.


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23632598 - 09/10/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i tend to think of God not as a being so much as a collective - a collective that includes all of us. and as DQ says, who knows how reality is managed from the 'God level / perspective' - I feel things could be so different from what we commonly assume to be the case. as the saying goes, 'God works in mysterious ways' :smile:


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman]
    #23632656 - 09/10/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your post highlights the hypocrisy of religion in general. God created us in his image? He commits genocide and is jealous.

We cannot overthrow something that does not exist in this world....:shrug:

God is painted as some kind of hero, 'oh I got ill and recovered, it's a miracle', NO, it was the bodys immune system.

'a tsunami hit, god did it for a reason,' or 'satan is back.' :lol:

Humans are destined to believe this because god is the only answer to life that can't be proved nor disproved.


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman]
    #23632662 - 09/10/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You do not know what you are saying, god is real, and there is no reason to bash God when we don't understand him. We all get what we deserve, if we suffer it is because we have done evil and allowed our ego to divide the consciousness which would account for some lack or caring that would distract us from danger, and so we suffer consequences. If we do well by God it is doing well to ourself and our consciousness is more full allowing us to see that consciousness is everything and that the consciousness grid above the earth is connected to all of our consciousness and that it is our own judgment that is God's judgment, and our consciousness affects the electromagnetic field so our global consciousness is what causes disasters. Anyone who is faithful to God will not suffer.

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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23632706 - 09/10/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can't take that seriously.

You are saying humans are god and god will judge us...most peeps will go easy on themselves. ?


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman]
    #23632934 - 09/10/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
If God exists, then he is responsible for inventing pain and suffering. Human beings would have never designed a universe that included pain and suffering. God on the other hand (if he exists) did.

Furthermore, (if he exists) God sat back and watched the holocaust happen and did nothing. He watched people being tortured and raped to death throughout all of human history and did nothing. He saw people dying in trench warfare in World War 1, and people fighting and dying on the beaches of Germany in World War 2, and he did nothing. Human beings sure as fuck would have done something in his position as evidenced by the fact that human beings did in fact fight and die to stop the Nazis.

If he exists, God alone both created and is therefore directly responsible for all the pain and suffering that every living thing has ever experienced since the beginning of time.

Furthermore, if he exists, God is an absolute dictator, and therefore must be replaced by democracy. Dictators are never a good thing no matter who they are, especially if the dictator involved has absolute power over the universe. Absolute power over the universe is the one place above all others that would absolutely require a representation democracy. Anything else would be deeply immoral and unethical because it wouldn't accurately or truly represent or give voice to the people who suffer under its poor leadership.

Therefore, if God exists, we must overthrow him, put representational democracy in his place, and put God on trial for crimes against humanity for the creation of pain and suffering and for not to intervening in genocides and other atrocities like the holocaust.

What do you think?

Discuss.






i think you are anthropomorphising the concept of god to a serious degree


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: demiu5]
    #23633006 - 09/10/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your sentiments are just a reflection of your fear of experiencing such things. Your fear exists because you are not in union with God. Unite with God and all things except Him turn to dust, for you are at the beginning and the end, you encapsulate death and suffering.

The Holocaust happened because of a disunion with God collectively. Also it happened for stupid, kind of funny reasons. Hitler wasn't overly intelligent and the social-political state of Germany was uneducated and moronic.

Ultimately only God is real, and you are that.

God has created an astonishing multidimensional wilderness to play in.

We are not fallen from Eden, simply be yourself and see.


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman]
    #23633145 - 09/10/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What's with the mass delusion that god is basically a person that wants everyone to polish his knob at all times?

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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23633166 - 09/10/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's because I never get any, so I implant these ideas into my followers' minds.


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23633255 - 09/10/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How does this help with boredom? I am bored as hell.


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23633538 - 09/10/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Electric Wizard21 said:
I can't take that seriously.

You are saying humans are god and god will judge us...most peeps will go easy on themselves. ?



It isn't easy to get into heaven, but if we only had the same face, we would know how we're supposed to treat each other.

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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23633646 - 09/10/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Boredom might be a mild/moderate depression. Life is very vibrant, interesting, full of possibilities, even without doing much of anything.

I am very simple. Computer games - casually. Walk around towns and look at life happening, drive into rainforests, walk around the rainforests, and blast music. Only a couple of friends.

I can sit in the backyard for ages. It's all beautiful, alive, I'm alive, it's all great. It's all great . . .


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23634094 - 09/10/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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beforethedawn said:


I am very simple. Computer games - casually. Walk around towns and look at life happening, drive into rainforests, walk around the rainforests, and blast music.





you call computer games simple?  if you have the ability/means to leisurely play computer games, especially if online, then your life is far from simple


and why the hell would you "blast music" in a rainforest?  having lived in the rainforest for almost a decade, i can tell you for a fact, the other animals DO NOT WANT YOUR NOISE


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: demiu5]
    #23634536 - 09/11/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't usually blast the music in the forest, usually at home, ya know . . .

Gaming is a pretty simple task . . . repetitive, straightforward, just hard to master.

So I . . . don't get what you mean?


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: demiu5]
    #23634541 - 09/11/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

At the end of Revelation, the nations gather to overthrow God.  It fails there too.

Something I realized on my own somehow... God is good.  We are not good.  Now, back before I was a Christian, I couldn't explain how this came about, but I just knew, we had a good God and it wasn't his fault it all went wrong.

Now, after becoming a disciple of Jesus, I had to consider the implications of what scripture said concerning all this.  God's goodness is limitless, but that goodness fails to prevail in this world due to covenant and dominion rules that God created.

A misconception, I believe is that idea that God could do anything.  In terms of how he orchestrated creation, God couldn't do anything at all... he could only do that which was good, even if doing that which was good caused evil to happen.  But had God just done evil to rectify all these situations we see in the world around us, then God would just be evil, and there would be no good... so the argument would be moot then.

It really hits home when we understand how much more God loves everyone beyond what we're capable of.  At that point, we can realize the issues we thought was there about an evil God just isn't true.


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: Razare]
    #23634644 - 09/11/16 02:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think we should discard the old ways and investigate the present moment with consciousness and consciousness expansion.

Nobody knows anything. If you start to open up to the wonderlands around us, you definitely know that for a fact.

We are caught in something utterly indefinable (at this point).

This is it.

This is it.

You need to understand - the afterlife will be here, in higher dimensions, frequencies of THIS.

So get to work . . .

I don't think the Sunday mass is going to help you at this point my friend. . .

. . . if you see it, if you get it - God's work, before your eyes.

I got nervous today on my walk.

I don't know what the fuck I'm experiencing anymore.


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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman]
    #23635606 - 09/11/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pain and suffering is a survival trick just like becoming thirsty, hungry, tired or bored.

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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman]
    #23635626 - 09/11/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
If God exists, then he is responsible for inventing pain and suffering. Human beings would have never designed a universe that included pain and suffering. God on the other hand (if he exists) did.

Furthermore, (if he exists) God sat back and watched the holocaust happen and did nothing. He watched people being tortured and raped to death throughout all of human history and did nothing. He saw people dying in trench warfare in World War 1, and people fighting and dying on the beaches of Germany in World War 2, and he did nothing. Human beings sure as fuck would have done something in his position as evidenced by the fact that human beings did in fact fight and die to stop the Nazis.

If he exists, God alone both created and is therefore directly responsible for all the pain and suffering that every living thing has ever experienced since the beginning of time.

Furthermore, if he exists, God is an absolute dictator, and therefore must be replaced by democracy. Dictators are never a good thing no matter who they are, especially if the dictator involved has absolute power over the universe. Absolute power over the universe is the one place above all others that would absolutely require a representation democracy. Anything else would be deeply immoral and unethical because it wouldn't accurately or truly represent or give voice to the people who suffer under its poor leadership.

Therefore, if God exists, we must overthrow him, put representational democracy in his place, and put God on trial for crimes against humanity for the creation of pain and suffering and for not to intervening in genocides and other atrocities like the holocaust.

What do you think?

Discuss.







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Re: If God exists then we have a moral and ethical responsibility to overthrow him. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23636238 - 09/11/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think that you have to read up on the theological problem of theodicy. Then you have to read something like The Eternal Now by Christian theologian Paul Tillich or even a more modern book like The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle (who took his first name from the Christian mystic Meister Eckhart) so you can learn the difference between 'a' being, and the "Ground of Being" which is NOT the same as 'a' being. You still hold a mythological notion of God as a king on a throne, like Zeus, Jupiter, or YHWH with human-like attributes, who can be "overthrown." :lol:  That's like a dream-image overthrowing the one who is dreaming him. :yesnod: God is a 3 letter notation for the philosophic notion of Ultimate Reality, which is utterly transcendental and cannot be known as an object of thought. The only way that anyone can contrive a question such as your's is on the basis of an erroneous God-concept. The subtleties of theology like those of philosophy often requires a whole progression of categories like "God-above-God," or the "Superessential Godhead" that transcends the Triune God in the mystical Christian theology of Pseudo-Dionysus. The creation is like a shadow cast by a bright light. It is unlike the nature of that light The creation is unlike the nature of the Creator, and metaphysically duality in human moral terms splits into good and evil, just as the metaphor of light and shadow (or Yang and Yin, Sun and Moon, etc.).


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