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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: 1234go] * 3
    #23644593 - 09/14/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's cloud blowing competitions?....lol that's so gay




edit: guess I should add I quit cigs about a year ago and have been using a vape ever since before someone thinks I'm just being a dick for no reason.


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: 1234go]
    #23644601 - 09/14/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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1234go said:
im a vape noob, got it as a gift and i dont know the components yet. im learning!
wishin i could chuck clouds right now! lol. you ever been in one of those cloud blowing competition?



Haha no, I just like to tinker and wanted to quit cigs. But ever since I started wrapping coils im constantly trying to find/build crazy ones lol


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23644636 - 09/14/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

whats your beef with vapers bro?


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #23644662 - 09/14/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why are you being such a dick for no reason,ssa :shakefist:


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: goldcaphunter] * 1
    #23644687 - 09/14/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

Cant help myself sometimes, definitely think unnecessarily massive clouds look pretty gay though, aint trying to take that back lol at least in public anyway

the first 4 months i used one thats all i wanted to do until i saw someone else do it in public and thought he looked like a douche trying to draw attention to himself. That was the moment i finally understood the phrase "we get it, you vape"


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23644817 - 09/14/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah saving lives is so retarded. I will never fucking understand people who rail against ecigs.
If you don't like it.. don't fucking do it. Fuck off with that bullshit mentality.

Who's blowing clouds in your face?
You know what's fucking stupid? Anti-vapers.


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: 1234go] * 1
    #23645018 - 09/14/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol that was one hell of a heated debate we had


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: plasma] * 1
    #23645179 - 09/14/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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plasma said:
https://mic.com/articles/130069/will-vaping-give-you-popcorn-lung-here-s-the-truth#.HjQ1m9lDE

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Popcorn lung: In May 2000, a Missouri doctor contacted the state's Department of Health and Senior Services to report that eight of his patients who had formerly worked at a microwavable popcorn factory had an obstructive respiratory disease that looked like bronchiolitis obliterans. Half of them were on the list for lung transplants. After years of investigation, the CDC traced this ailment to diacetyl.

Diacetyl is a yellow-green flavoring chemical that has an intensely buttery flavor. It's one of the most prevalent ingredients in popcorn-flavoring compounds. Diacetyl is classified as "generally regarded as safe" by the FDA, the same classification given to caffeine and many spices. That is, it's safe to ingest — but inhaling it is a whole other story.

Many vape juices are made without diacetyl. It's not a necessary flavor additive.
Workers who had been close to vats that were giving off diacetyl vapor were found to have severely increased risk for lung disease, and diacetyl-induced bronchiolitis obliterans was henceforth referred to as "popcorn lung."

The vaping industry has known about the use of diacetyl as an e-liquid flavoring chemical for years, and it has been waging an internal war to identify juices that contain this chemical. Vendors will bluster about how their liquids don't contain traces of harmful flavorings, but because it's such an early, unregulated and under-examined industry, there's too much opacity to know when in the process of making an e-liquid — from the wholesaling of chemical compounds to the mixing of the juice — diacetyl makes its way into the product. For customers, the labels on e-liquids simply say "Natural and Artificial Flavors."








Yeah this has already been addressed here by several people but I am compelled to reply because this bullshit "study" won't die.

1. E-juice contains TRACE TRACE amounts of diacetyl in a WORST case scenario. Most contain none at all.
2. No vaper has ever gotten popcorn lung.
3, No CIGARETTE smoker has ever gotten popcorn lung. Cigarettes contain - on average - 500-700x MORE diacetyl than the worst E-juice this study tested.
4. The ONLY people we know of to get bronchiolitis obliterans from diacetyl were some popcorn factory workers from the 80s. They were inhaling MASSIVE amounts of POWDERED diacetyl on a DAILY basis over long periods of time with ZERO repirators or filters for the air. Pure powdered diacetyl acts on the lungs in a completely different manner than trace amounts in the smallest detectable quantities mixed with PG/VG. And there is no way to know for sure how much of it they were inhaling, but guaranteed it was a metric fuckload. No one since then that we know of has gotten bronchiolitis obliterans from diacetyl. And again I repeat.. no vaper OR cigarette smoker has ever gotten popcorn lung and cigarettes contain like 500x more diacetyl.
5. The "study" this was based on... was funded by Pfizer and Altria. Pfixer makes Chantrix, the stop smoking pharmaceutical, whos sales have plummeted since Ecigs. They have pumped millions and millions of dollars into trying to demonize Ecgis. Altria is pretty obvious. This viral BS "study" is just one of many. Before this it was that whole formaldehyde bullshit.

SO yeah. Complete and total bullshit. E-juice contains such small amounts of diacetyl even in a worse case scenario, it's not even a cause for concern.
But vendors are concerned about it anyway because of all the sensationalism around it... most vendors who used diacetyl in their ejuice changed their formula years ago to not use it.
Most ejuice on the market doesn't have any diacetyl period. Diacetyl is just used for most "bakery" or "custard" notes, it's an artificial butter flavor. But many vendors have since switched to alternative flavors to make a similar taste.

What they fail to mention is CIGARETTES contains diacetyl in FAR FAR FAR greater quantities (like 500x+ more, no joke), and NO cigarette smoker has ever gotten popcorn lung, and doctors say it's not even a concern for popcorn lung. It's the tar and benzene and shit you have to worry about.

So where's all the viral articles saying "CIGARETTES CAUSE POPCORN LUNG!!!11111 " . They don't exist because it's big tobacco and big pharma trying to demonize ecigs, while they cash in on it and make their own products.

SO yeah.. sorry for the novel.. but I had to clear some things up. The constant demonization of ecigs by the pharmaceutical and tobacco industry and the fact that these bought and paid for "studies" based on complete and total bullshit go viral every time... pisses me off to no end.

Right after this BS study came out, EVERY fucking news service was posting it like crazy. It went viral instantly. It's not based on science or real world evidence... like AT ALL.


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23645246 - 09/14/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Truth bomb!!!!!!!!



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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #23645421 - 09/14/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

there's still some nasty shit in those things like diactyl

always remember that most things that are bad for you are so because they're legal and permanant


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: Konyap]
    #23645434 - 09/14/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do a little more reading, I'd suggest grabbing a temperature control build and making your own coils, might sound daunting, but it's very simple and there are loads of instructions online.

TC will give you the safest experience, no combustion possible, much lower risk of toxic off gassing.


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: Konyap]
    #23645726 - 09/14/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Konyap said:
there's still some nasty shit in those things like diactyl

always remember that most things that are bad for you are so because they're legal and permanant




See two posts above yours.
Also... what nasty things? Care to elaborate on that?


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: donaldkagan]
    #23645736 - 09/14/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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donaldkagan said:
Do a little more reading, I'd suggest grabbing a temperature control build and making your own coils, might sound daunting, but it's very simple and there are loads of instructions online.

TC will give you the safest experience, no combustion possible, much lower risk of toxic off gassing.




What is TC? Trusted Combuster?


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23645785 - 09/14/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Temperature Control


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23645822 - 09/14/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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During the 'ease down' from recent mushrooms experiences whilst relaxing as the sun rises, I had a sudden bizzare, strong urge and idea of a hookah completing the deal to make things even more relaxing. The thought stemmed from an experience sitting in a pub a few years ago whilst smoking a berry flavoured hookah what was the center peice of every table. I enjoyed it thoroughly whilst drinking lager. 

In light of this, I seen that the vape pens on EBay were cheap and so invested in a Zeltu Lite vape and bottle of non nicotine Detab blueberry juice to smoke only in those times mentioned above.

I received it today, loaded it with juice and inhaled a slight amount, then a standard amount which I would have usually taken on a cigarette (ex smoker of 13 years Drum tobacco, quit 8 years ago).Enjoyable as it was, my heart has been aching and palpitating for 10 hours right after the last inhalation.  Very prominent sickness and discomfort throughout that time.

Although I'm inclined to just avoid it given the severity of the side effect, My question is; is this likely to have been caused by the device or the juice?

Are there bad brands of juice?

Do new devices need to be warmed in? I.e am I inhaling toxins?

Is it just the consequence of using a cheap device? - same again, inhaling toxins perhaps?

As mentioned, the juice is non-nictotine.




After reading the whole thread... Pris pretty much nailed it I think.
You are vaping on chinese made E-juice.. Dekang has had some pretty serious issues in the past with heavy metal contamination, completely inaccurate nicotine levels, and more.
It is to be avoided like the plague. Even if it says made in EU, chances are the ingredients came from china.
I'll buy chinese hardware because well let's be honest it's practically unavoidable, but never ejuice.

Switch out the juice, buy something local, I'm not too hip on UK-made juices but the choices are endless here in the US.
E-juice is only as good as the person/company making it. Like in any business, some vendors are unscrupulous or use inferior ingredients.

You have to just start eliminating variables one at a time... start with the juice first.
Someone else mentioned PG.. that could be a possible culprit. Some people are sensitive to PG.
But my money is on the dekang and/or whatever the fuck their "nicotine alternative" is


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: Shroomism]
    #23645828 - 09/14/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've never used temp control in my life, str8 kanthal does the trick for me

But anyway, I think if vape was really as bad for the human body as some people say, we would already have tons of cases of vapers with fuqqered up respiratory/circulatory systems, some people have been chain vaping like it's their job for years, literally from the moment they wake up til the moment they go to sleep they inhale absolutely massive amounts of vapor without a fuck given, I should know cause I'm one of those people and let me tell ya, smoking one pack of cigarettes alone will cause me to hack up nasty black shit for almost a week, when I'm just vaping the black shit comes up faster and then it goes away


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Re: To the Vapers.. [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #23645841 - 09/14/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Same here man. I'm a fucking freight train. 30ml in a day is not uncommon... but usually 30ml lasts me 2 days. Completely anecdotal, but I've haven't been in such good cardio health since I was a kid and I'm almost 35. When I was smoking cigarettes I felt like shit all the time and was hacking up lungs and couldn't run 10 fucking feet without gasping for breath like I was about to die. I can run a full 50 yard sprint now no problem, I have endurance I haven't had since I was much younger. It's improved my health measurably.

And yeah there's people who have been vaping custards like it's their fucking job since day 1 and no one has come down with any serious health problems yet... so I'm gonna go with it's pretty fucking safe all things considered.
Until we start seeing people coming down with some crazy lung disease from vaping alone, I might change my tune. But so far it's got a fucking phenomenal track record.
Really the only wild variables are the retards doing stupid shit with modded mechs and chinese knock off batteries and running at like 0.0001 ohms and turning it into a pipe bomb.. or bad/fake batteries in general.
And chinese ejuice..


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