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plasma said:
Yeah man, a vape is a godsend during a trip.

I've read that there is a chemical in juice that is used on microwave popcorn and can cause "popcorn lung"
But, of course, it is unhealthier to smoke cigarettes for the slew of chemicals it contains

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Prob not gonna harm you in the amounts you will be exposed to... The studies that showed popcorn lung were from patients that were inhaling the stuff all day at factories or so... I do not have polcorn lung either. I dont even think fluid companies really use it either anymore

Also, nicotine is a cns stimulant... Prob why op had some negative side effects, and just probably used too much or had a bad reaction

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My emphasis was on the fact that I used non nicotine juice since I'm aware of nicotine based side effects. I'm an ex smoker 13 years gone who naturally doesn't want to evoke that habit so non nicotine was the choice of juice. 

It was just for the purpose of mellow smoke and taste for 10 mins or so after mishroom ingestion once every few weeks.

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plasma said:
I might have to give the unflavored a go. No flavor whatsoever? The flavors get old to me

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plasma said:
https://mic.com/articles/130069/will-vaping-give-you-popcorn-lung-here-s-the-truth#.HjQ1m9lDE

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Popcorn lung: In May 2000, a Missouri doctor contacted the state's Department of Health and Senior Services to report that eight of his patients who had formerly worked at a microwavable popcorn factory had an obstructive respiratory disease that looked like bronchiolitis obliterans. Half of them were on the list for lung transplants. After years of investigation, the CDC traced this ailment to diacetyl.

Diacetyl is a yellow-green flavoring chemical that has an intensely buttery flavor. It's one of the most prevalent ingredients in popcorn-flavoring compounds. Diacetyl is classified as "generally regarded as safe" by the FDA, the same classification given to caffeine and many spices. That is, it's safe to ingest — but inhaling it is a whole other story.

Many vape juices are made without diacetyl. It's not a necessary flavor additive.
Workers who had been close to vats that were giving off diacetyl vapor were found to have severely increased risk for lung disease, and diacetyl-induced bronchiolitis obliterans was henceforth referred to as "popcorn lung."

The vaping industry has known about the use of diacetyl as an e-liquid flavoring chemical for years, and it has been waging an internal war to identify juices that contain this chemical. Vendors will bluster about how their liquids don't contain traces of harmful flavorings, but because it's such an early, unregulated and under-examined industry, there's too much opacity to know when in the process of making an e-liquid — from the wholesaling of chemical compounds to the mixing of the juice — diacetyl makes its way into the product. For customers, the labels on e-liquids simply say "Natural and Artificial Flavors."

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I literally just read on reddit the other day about popcorn lung coming from popcorn, how it slipped my mind that badly idk

Someone posted a story on quitting their job in a microwaveable popcorn factory and he caused a huge pileup on an assembly line. Everyone was telling him he could sue because the boss didn't give him a gas mask.

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PatrickKn said:
You may be allergic or have a bad reaction to one of the ingredients in your juice. Propylene glycol is an ingredient that people are often allergic to. Try VG only juices. If there was no nicotine in your juice, this should be the only reason you would have a sped up heart that I can think of.

I developed an allergy to PG after a couple years of vaping. Prompted me to quit vaping and smoking altogether since all my favorite juices were made with it.

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What were the side effects you experienced?

Whilst I've been tempted just to leave it alone, I'm going to give it another try with the following precautions:

* Bin the old vape pen (which will have traces of PG still in it) and bought a new one.
* Bought 10ml food grade vegetable glycerol.
* Test before sleep to be able to slep off any ill effects.
* Test with a few no inhales. single inhale, then a few inhales, monitoring results between.
* All being well, hopefully adding in some peppermint concentrate to the VG to seal the deal.


I never imagined I'd be drawing out an action plan to enter the world of vaping, yet there it is.

It's an addition I'm keen to introduce to Friday's.

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
Your into plan seems needlessly complex. I would just buy a different rig or borrow a friends if your interested, if not then don't bother.

It makes me think of the type of people who try a fifth of a hit of acid and increase dosage 1/10th at a time just to avoid anxiety.

Idk whatever works for you i guess. Just seems like that would be a pain in the ass is all.

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The elaboration was tongue in cheek. I'm a cheeky cheeseburger. Don't relish the bun.

I'm using a new pen with the new stuff and if it has a bad effect then it gets ditched, but I am doing everything detailed since the sides weren't subtle. Not a pain in the ass. Just a new pen, base and flavour delivered.

Sans the elaboration, I don't get the amusement nor satisfaction of expression, but appreciate your input.

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Duncan Rowhl said:
The brand is called 'Detab'.

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spirit_shadow said:
Weird. Maybe its the nicotine alternative in it that caused the reaction.

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Duncan Rowhl said:
The brand is called 'Detab'.

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it's chinese juice. avoid it like the plague. there's plenty of juice vendors in the
UK that make custom, premium juices that will be 100x better


here's a starting point and if you have a few shops local to you, go in and look
into what they have, most have samples you can try to make sure you get something
you like

http://ecigsuk.org.uk/best-e-liquid-uk/

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Ah, that perhaps explain woks Wong with it.

As above, I'm getting the VG to make the stuff myself so hopefully all will be well, assuming that too isn't Chinese.

I'll bare this in mind if I buy the pre made stuff.

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Duncan Rowhl said:
The brand is called 'Detab'.

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it's chinese juice. avoid it like the plague. there's plenty of juice vendors in the
UK that make custom, premium juices that will be 100x better


here's a starting point and if you have a few shops local to you, go in and look
into what they have, most have samples you can try to make sure you get something
you like

http://ecigsuk.org.uk/best-e-liquid-uk/

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Duncan Rowhl said:
The brand is called 'Detab'.

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it's chinese juice. avoid it like the plague. there's plenty of juice vendors in the
UK that make custom, premium juices that will be 100x better


here's a starting point and if you have a few shops local to you, go in and look
into what they have, most have samples you can try to make sure you get something
you like

http://ecigsuk.org.uk/best-e-liquid-uk/

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Having just checked, the label reads 'Made in the EU'...

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Duncan Rowhl said:
Yep, it's certainly possible.

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