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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: demiu5]
    #23633880 - 09/10/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Last I checked, people dye their hair for fun, not because of some insecurity.


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: demiu5]
    #23633881 - 09/10/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i'm in the wrong body, but it has nothing to do with sex or gender.  so as crystal g briefly touched on, i'd like to find a doctor who will change my species.  otherwise, you're all discriminating against me



also, a four year old hasn't spent their entire life thinking they were born in the wrong body.  at best half it's life, as up until two or three, one is barely fully cognizant of their body and its expressions



i never said anything about the 4 year old. the question mrblueyomind asked had nothing to do with the 4 year old's case in specific


LOL @ your buthrt over trans people

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no butthurts, sheekle.  i think sex-changes/hormone therapy are as asinine as people dying their hair, getting plugs or cosmetic surgery, fake nails/eyelashes

people should try working through their emotional self-issues before altering themselves and/or accepting themselves for whom/what they are, imo



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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: demiu5]
    #23633883 - 09/10/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i'm in the wrong body, but it has nothing to do with sex or gender.  so as crystal g briefly touched on, i'd like to find a doctor who will change my species.  otherwise, you're all discriminating against me




I just find it interesting that so many people were against Rachel Dolezal because she tried to change her race. Where do we draw the line at what is appropriate body modification?


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23633892 - 09/10/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Last I checked, people dye their hair for fun, not because of some insecurity.







we've encountered very different people in our lives, then




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i'm in the wrong body, but it has nothing to do with sex or gender.  so as crystal g briefly touched on, i'd like to find a doctor who will change my species.  otherwise, you're all discriminating against me




I just find it interesting that so many people were against Rachel Dolezal because she tried to change her race. Where do we draw the line at what is appropriate body modification?






appropriate and inappropriate are irrelevant terms, here.  the fact that a majority or minority of people feel their views on how to live are more right than any others seems, to me, a large part of the psychology behind any sort of bodily modifications. 

it's kind of like why is getting a piercing, for many people, an act of rebellion?  because someone in an authoritative place told them it was wrong


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: demiu5]
    #23633900 - 09/10/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Last I checked, people dye their hair for fun, not because of some insecurity.







we've encountered very different people in our lives, then



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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Sheekle]
    #23634133 - 09/10/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i remember when one of my sisters was around 4-5 she went through a period of saying she wishes she was a boy, she got over it in a few months and went onto live as a happy, healthy, girly-girl. her life wouldve taken a really odd turn if she stapled dicks to her tits at 4 years




:ilold:

Yeah, I'm glad my mistakes were reversible

I'm all for sex changes, but 4 is probably too young


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23634136 - 09/10/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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appropriate and inappropriate are irrelevant terms, here.  the fact that a majority or minority of people feel their views on how to live are more right than any others seems, to me, a large part of the psychology behind any sort of bodily modifications. 




None of the minority is saying their lives are more right. They are simply saying that they want to be accepted for how they are. You are actually the one that has a viewpoint on how to live your life the "right" way.


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Hobozen] * 2
    #23634139 - 09/10/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The kid could just dress and take on the behavior of their chosen gender, this is crazy.


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23634154 - 09/10/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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appropriate and inappropriate are irrelevant terms, here.  the fact that a majority or minority of people feel their views on how to live are more right than any others seems, to me, a large part of the psychology behind any sort of bodily modifications. 




None of the minority is saying their lives are more right. They are simply saying that they want to be accepted for how they are. You are actually the one that has a viewpoint on how to live your life the "right" way.





i know a large minority that think their way of life is the "right" way

they are preachy and barely tolearble




again, i think you and i know encounter very different people.  you are involved in city-life, which is drastically different from rural-life




i do agree that 'you (or the first-person) are the one that has a viewpoint on how to live your life the "right" way.'


fuck everyone else so long as one is not harming others, physically or to a slightly lesser degree, emotionally


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Hobozen]
    #23634156 - 09/10/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's child abuse. Plain and simple.


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23634159 - 09/10/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The kid could just dress and take on the behavior of their chosen gender, this is crazy.




I don't know why this isn't an option, he or she has almost a decade before puberty even hits. Before puberty hits, boys can easily pass off as girls, and visa versa. Plenty of time and years to reconsider and think about whether sex reassignment surgery is for you.

I mean once you have the surgery, it's permanent. Even if it's irreversible, you're doing permanent damage to your genitals, and there's a strong likelihood you might not be able to have children anymore. Even teenagers regret tattoos.


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23634166 - 09/10/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The kid could just dress and take on the behavior of their chosen gender, this is crazy.




I don't know why this isn't an option, he or she has almost a decade before puberty even hits. Plenty of time to reconsider and think about whether sex reassignment surgery is for you.

I mean once you have the surgery, it's permanent. Even if it's irreversible, you're doing permanent damage to your genitals, and you might not be able to have children anymore. Even teenagers regret tattoos.





granted, surgery wasn't available in their time, but this is the way, historically, native americans and many other tribal cultures treated their "trans-gender" members.  they dressed and took on roles of the "gender" they felt they were


for anyone that isn't aware, "trans-gender" mentalities are prevalent throughout human history


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23634177 - 09/10/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The kid could just dress and take on the behavior of their chosen gender, this is crazy.




I don't know why this isn't an option, he or she has almost a decade before puberty even hits. Plenty of time to reconsider and think about whether sex reassignment surgery is for you.

I mean once you have the surgery, it's permanent. Even if it's irreversible, you're doing permanent damage to your genitals, and you might not be able to have children anymore. Even teenagers regret tattoos.




Well, I hit puberty around 9yr old, so that would be half a decade.

Still, 4 is far too young, if they're even allowed to do something like this under 18, they should have to sign consent forms every year for 5 or more years. That's a stretch.


BTW I think you would have made a good FTM :lol:
Not saying that to be insulting in any way


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23634188 - 09/10/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Hobozen]
    #23634189 - 09/10/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Insanity

Disgusting

This shit has gone too far


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: demiu5]
    #23634220 - 09/10/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder what compelled the parents of a 4-year old to opt for sex reassignment surgery?

I mean, I remember watching a documentary about Jazz, the transgender girl who was maybe 7 or 8 when she underwent hormone therapy.

At first I thought, "7, that's a little young for hormone therapy isn't it?" Back then, she was the youngest person to have undergone this treatment in the USA.

But then I learned that the turning point for her parents was when they caught her in the shower with a pair of scissors, sobbing, I guess she was getting ready to slice her penis off or something. :eek:

After hearing that, I can see why her situation was a bit more serious, and why her parents moved to placate her desires.

Here's her appearance on 20/20, for anybody who's interested:



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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23634235 - 09/10/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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BTW I think you would have made a good FTM :lol:
Not saying that to be insulting in any way




I actually think I would have too :lol:

In fact, every now and then, especially when I was going through my roids phase, I thought extensively about whether to transition fully to FTM, maybe later on in my 40's. I already have the square jaw, I have a husky masculine voice, and high cheekbones, I think I'd make a pretty decent-looking guy.

The only thing I have going against me is that I'm short. 5'5" is not a good look for a man, even with big muscles.

My main worry though, would be transitioning, only to discover that I end up a really ugly man. :lol: I mean, I don't want to go through all that only to realize that I end up looking like one of those fugly ass dudes, that would suck. And I wouldn't be able to revert back to a woman after that, because my jaw structure has completely changed after hormone therapy, I'd end up looking like a butch woman for the rest of my life.

In reality though I'd probably get tons of plastic surgery first before I consider gender reassignment surgery. I mean, if I have all that money to change my looks, I'd probably go one direction first before I went the other.


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23634241 - 09/10/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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BTW I think you would have made a good FTM :lol:
Not saying that to be insulting in any way




I actually think I would have too :lol:

In fact, every now and then, especially when I was going through my roids phase, I thought extensively about whether to transition fully to FTM, maybe later on in my 40's. I already have the square jaw, I have a husky masculine voice, and high cheekbones, I think I'd make a pretty decent-looking guy.

The only thing I have going against me is that I'm short. 5'5" is not a good look for a man, even with big muscles.

My main worry though, would be transitioning, only to discover that I end up a really ugly man. :lol: I mean, I don't want to go through all that only to realize that I end up looking like one of those fugly ass dudes, that would suck. And I wouldn't be able to revert back to a woman after that, because my jaw structure has completely changed after hormone therapy, I'd end up looking like a butch woman for the rest of my life.

In reality though I'd probably get tons of plastic surgery first before I consider gender reassignment surgery. I mean, if I have all that money to change my looks, I'd probably go one direction first before I went the other.






why even a joking desire for physical change?  what is wrong with YOU that warrants change?



i think we, as a culture, need intense psychological examination of this issue


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23634254 - 09/10/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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demiu5 said:
i'm in the wrong body, but it has nothing to do with sex or gender.  so as crystal g briefly touched on, i'd like to find a doctor who will change my species.  otherwise, you're all discriminating against me




I just find it interesting that so many people were against Rachel Dolezal because she tried to change her race. Where do we draw the line at what is appropriate body modification?





Well Jackson turned white, and was accepted.

She tried to turn black and it ruined her career.

Interesting it is. :strokebeard:


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Re: 4-year-old approved for sex change in Australia [Re: TNK]
    #23634261 - 09/10/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It'll be an interesting experiment.  At least the participants are willing, despite the questionable ethics involved.


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