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Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around?
    #23632576 - 09/10/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I had one spare jar of spawn so I decided to make a mini monotub. This was my first ever attempt at growing. When the pins started coming in, I noticed they were way too thin so I upped the fae, but it doesn't seem to have had any effect. Now the veils are starting to break on the pins and things don't look very good. Any way to turn this around?

Pins arising:



Current state:




I also should mention, I skipped colonization conditions on it and did not use a casing layer. I was told this wouldn't have a huge impact on the grow.

I also recently started 2 normal sized tubs. Also skipping colonization conditions, but this time adding a casing layer. I'm now worried the same problems will arise in these tubs. Here they are at 5 days,



The tub on the left had a thinner casing layer than the one on the right.


UPDATE: Now with Trich!!



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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23632587 - 09/10/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

why skip colonizing?


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23632593 - 09/10/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I originally got the info from here,

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22315950

I even made my own thread on it and got even more positive feedback,

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23615733


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: mushboy]
    #23632603 - 09/10/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For your mini tub, I'm thinking not enough spawn.
The bigger tubs look fine, how much spawn was used in those?

And mushboy, a lot of here have been fruiting from spawning and it's great.


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23632615 - 09/10/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's very possible. I only used 1 quart of spawn, with a 1:2 ratio of spawn:coir/verm/gypsum.

The 3 quarts came out to about 2.5 inches in the tub. I know 3-4 is ideal.

The larger tubs I made with an appropriate ratio. 5:10 and 6:9 plus the casing layers on both.


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23633389 - 09/10/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is there any saving it or is it doomed to spawn only mini mushies?


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22] * 1
    #23633498 - 09/10/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The sub looks reaaaaaaly dry, how did you do the poly filling?


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: ghostpepper7]
    #23633525 - 09/10/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I filled the bottom holes tightly. Since it's a mini mono, I drilled 5 1/4' holes in the top of the tub. Until I noticed the thin pins, I had 3/5 holes covered with tape on each side.

I'm in a desert climate so the air has 0% humidity, but a few days ago I started keeping an ultrasonic humidifier on 24/7. I also misted it for the first time last night. I've read conflicting info on whether or not to mist monotubs, so I wasn't sure if it was a good idea. Should I start misting daily?


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23633560 - 09/10/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My tubs and this is my first tub set mind you after years of PF jars, there should always be a fine amount of mist on the sub at all times.
The tub design after months of studying the best layout of holes and sizes
6 total holes: 2 on each of the wide sides @ 1" diameter right at sub level and 1 high on the short sides (i put mine under the handles that lock the lids on) @ 1" diameter

Loose up high, tight on the bottom, used franks dial in tek
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777/fpart/1/vc/1

I do believe after my grow, I'll be casing all my tubs from now on with straight peat @ 1/4"

If your tubs stay dry like that, yes, mist! Or depending on things, you might want to dunk the tub
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17547374

keep us updated! I love pin porn :smile:

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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: ghostpepper7] * 1
    #23633577 - 09/10/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah man.  I think your stuff got dry.  Oops. :/


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23634009 - 09/10/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks guys for the advice. I misted it a bit and made the walls of the tub condensation-ey.

                 
         

Do the walls of my large size mono look good?

                     
             


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23634033 - 09/10/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wouldn't those skinny fruits be from lack of fae and lighting? How are you running your lights and are they 6500k


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23634076 - 09/10/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have definitely noticed that the bottom holes CAN be TOO tight. Not that you shouldn't make them tight, but should't be to the point where you couldn't possibly stuff any more. That's just my opinion.

Also, I know they say that a mono is a "set and forget", but that't not always the case. You need to pay attention to your subs surface. Once you notice that it is drying up, give it a little mist. Especially in your climate. Keep in mind that evaporation does need to happen though. I agree that the skinny pins could be lack of FAE. Or, because you have no humidity, they could just be getting sucked dry and hating their little lives so they are unable to perform...if that makes sense. It does in my head, I just don't know how to explain it. BUT, at the same time, all my fruits ended up like that this time around also, but I also had crazy contams....whats going on with the black circle in your first pic? Nobody has addressed that yet. I definitely think you're going to start seeing green at the uncolonized spot if I'm seeing it corectly. That stalled/uncolonized growth tells me there a contam/bacteria there.

Good luck with your full mono's.


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: just_curious]
    #23634086 - 09/10/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just figured it was him blocking the light for the pic


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23634111 - 09/10/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats what I thought at first too, but I think its an uncolonized portion.


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23634118 - 09/10/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Black spot is a shadow.

I originally did stuff the bottom holes too tightly I think, there was very little dryness around them.

I forgot mention the lighting situation. At first I thought the tubs would get enough natural sunlight to grow, but since some pins were growing sideways, I had to add lighting. Right now there are 3 5000k led lights about 3-4 feet above the tubs, although they are not pointing directly down. It's a configuration like this,



I also placed an order for some 6500k led lights which should arrive in a couple days.


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23634125 - 09/10/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya once you fix the lights and get your poly right you should see better results what kind of poly are you using ? I don't knowif led is efficient? Cfls are what I know we use I never seen leds used before but that doesn't mean much ??


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: just_curious]
    #23634131 - 09/10/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, looks more like a stone producer's fruits than cubes, definitely needs more light, 6500k CFL about a foot or less away but there may be something else going on.


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23634185 - 09/10/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Did a little digging and it seems LEDs work fine, but they should be around 2,000 lumens and the ones I ordered are not.


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Re: Why did my mini monotub fail so hard and is it possible to turn things around? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23634193 - 09/10/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well some 6500k cfl are only 900 and I used those and worked fine just try them out and see before spending more dough also I ordered adapters that fit into led light fixtures for the regular screw in bulbs off eBay 5 for like 2$


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