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Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists
#23632510 - 09/10/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do we have a soul? Is there life after death? The afterlife is something that has been experienced by countless people since recorded history who have returned to tell their tales, with the most noteworthy account experienced first-hand by Harvard trained brain neurosurgeon of 25 years, Dr. Eben Alexander. This is not just another afterlife account that can be written off as a hallucination. Before we look at exactly how his experience of the afterlife defies all scientific explanation, lets explore his account a little bit.
Before his experience, he did not believe existence of a non-physical spirit. Trained in western medical school and surrounded by medical colleagues who are deeply invested in the materialism view of the universe, he thought that the idea of a soul was outlandish. Like most “skeptics”, he believed stories of the afterlife to be hallucinations or products of the human imagination.
Dr. Alexander changed his mind after he was in a coma for seven days caused by severe bacterial meningitis. During his coma he experienced a vivid journey into what he knew to be the afterlife, visiting both heavenly and not so heavenly realms.
After returning to his body and experiencing a miraculous healing against all odds, and went on to write the NY Times #1 best selling book “Proof of Heaven.” What Dr. Alexander confirms is that our life here is just a test help our souls evolve and grow, and that the way we succeed in doing so is to proceed with love and compassion. Here are just a few other notable points he made:
– The experience of the afterlife was so “real” and expansive that the experience of living as a human on Earth seemed like an artificial dream by comparison.
– The fabric of the afterlife was pure LOVE. Love dominated the afterlife to such a huge degree that the overall presence of evil was infinitesimally small. If you wish to know the Universe, know Love.
– In the afterlife, all communication was telepathic. There was no need for spoken words, nor even any separation between the self and everything else happening around you. All the questions you asked in your mind were immediately answered to you telepathically as well.
When asked what he wants everyone to know about the spiritual realm, he always answers saying that you are precious and infinitely loved more than you can possibly imagine. You are always safe. You are never alone. The unconditional and perfect Love of God neglects not one soul.
“Love is, without a doubt, the basis of everything. Not some abstract, hard-to-fathom kind of love but the day-to-day kind that everyone knows-the kind of love we feel when we look at our spouse and our children, or even our animals. In its purest and most powerful form, this love is not jealous or selfish, but unconditional.
This is the reality of realities, the incomprehensibly glorious truth of truths that lives and breathes at the core of everything that exists or will ever exist, and no remotely accurate understanding of who and what we are can be achieved by anyone who does not know it, and embody it in all of their actions.”
Now let’s talk credibility for a minute. What makes this experience so much more significant than another NDE account? Eben’s neocortex was completely nonfunctional during the time of his coma do to his severe bacterial meningitis, so there is no scientific account for why he experienced this. In fact, he gives refutations to 9 different possible scientific explanations for his experience in his book.
Here is an interview/feature he did with ABC News about his condition and his experience:
The Sixth Sense: Proof of Heaven

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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420]
#23632517 - 09/10/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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God is dead.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: Revok]
#23632540 - 09/10/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The mind does weird things in a state of low activity. If a neurosurgeon smoked DMT and told everyone there was a spiritual realm because of what they experienced, their opinion would be no more valid than this. It's not evidence for an afterlife, is a theory for where the mind is at when we get in this state.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: PatrickKn] 6
#23632544 - 09/10/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Confirming the existence of the afterlife is fucking impossible and I find it funny that they cite his Ivy League education like that makes it any more possible that he has a clue what happens when we die
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: Revok]
#23632546 - 09/10/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Revok said: God is dead.
God is death and life 
Anyways I found this article/ story pretty interesting. Not surprisingly he has been met with a lot of criticisms of various kinds but I like some of his points.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420] 2
#23632578 - 09/10/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This story is mad old.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: Dark_Star]
#23632604 - 09/10/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I figured that, it was new to me though and I am interested to hear peoples opinions of it.
Was he lying? Having a near death DMT experience? Having a genuine afterlife experience? Or a mixture of all those and possibly more.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420]
#23632607 - 09/10/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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He makes fine points but he fails to do what the article states that he does - which is prove a goddamn thing.
His theory on love is ultimately true but you don't need to take years of overpriced yuppy education to see that, you just need to eat like a half tab of acid and let the thoughts flow
Why has reporting become such a con job
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420]
#23632624 - 09/10/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The parts of his brain that would've been responsible for creating such an experience were not functioning. The book gets more into that. I feel that it's legit. I've also had my own NDE, and that wound up having a profound impact on my life....in a positve way. A more lasting impact than any other experience I've had.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420]
#23632630 - 09/10/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Revok said: God is dead.
God is death and life 
Anyways I found this article/ story pretty interesting. Not surprisingly he has been met with a lot of criticisms of various kinds but I like some of his points.
no, god is dead, Revok killed him and stole his wallet, he then assumed god's identity and has been making miracles happen and answering prayers
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: Dark_Star]
#23632642 - 09/10/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I completely agree with that The article makes it out like its a scientific approach to spiritual concepts but in reality its pretty much the opposite.
He tries to be scientific somewhat but is clearly blindsided by the nature/ intensity of the experience and comes across like most other spiritualists.
Its even worse becouse they are selling it as scientific though which is a bit debatable clearly.. I still liked some of his points though 
His account of the afterlife is pretty interesting too, a "timeless, thoughtless void" also the part about a light tearing the fabric of reality and shining down and "saving" him from the void is pretty interesting. Some of the other stuff he talks about is a lot more ridiculous but I am fascinated by some parts of his story at least.
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Dark_Star said: The parts of his brain that would've been responsible for creating such an experience were not functioning. The book gets more into that. I feel that it's legit. I've also had my own NDE, and that wound up having a profound impact on my life....in a positve way. A more lasting impact than any other experience I've had.
I read some stuff in the criticisms of his story about how he was actually in a medically induced coma apparently and was somewhat conscious and hallucinating. Not sure if I believe him or the nay sayers and I don't feel like looking into it a ton. I do believe parts of his story at the very least though, most of it sounds legit to me too.
Care to elaborate on your NDE at all or link to somewhere you have in the past perhaps? Did it share any similarities with his?
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420]
#23632655 - 09/10/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420]
#23632666 - 09/10/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't doubt he experienced what he experienced. It's not evidence of an afterlife nor a spiritual realm however.
I personally believe in a spiritual realm, and maybe he went there. However it doesn't change that it's not evidence for something that up to this point is still unprovable.
It could very well be hallucination. There were parts of his brain that were active or he'd be legally dead. Perhaps we don't fully understand what certain parts of the brain contribute to consciousness when other parts are suppressed.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: PatrickKn]
#23632685 - 09/10/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i heard some stories about peoples experiences of being in coma. most of them said it was like they fell asleep during the accident or whatever, and then woke up the next second weeks later in a hospital bed.
an older friend who was in a motorcycle accident, back in like 2007, said he dream't that Hilary Clinton was his nurse or something while he was in coma for a few days.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: trees]
#23632704 - 09/10/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20915065#20915065
Thanks I am sure I will enjoy reading that 
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PatrickKn said: I don't doubt he experienced what he experienced. It's not evidence of an afterlife nor a spiritual realm however.
Yeah I agree I just found parts of his story very interesting and spot on with my view of the universe.
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an older friend who was in a motorcycle accident, back in like 2007, said he dream't that Hilary Clinton was his nurse or something while he was in coma for a few days.
I don't know a ton about comas but I imagine depending on the circumstance different parts of the brain may or may not be active still.
So people may or may not dream or even remember what they experience. Seems probable to me that something like that would be the case
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: trees]
#23632710 - 09/10/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I beleive that once you die if you want to live the same life over again you have to live through the lives of all the things you killed or worse everyone elses lives
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: musiclover420] 2
#23632720 - 09/10/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think it makes any sense to extrapolate from this kind of thing (or from people's experiences while briefly "legally dead") and say that it really has any bearing on what happens after you're fully and truly dead. Sure, it's evidence that others may experience similar things as they are in the process of dying, but it really says nothing about what happens after complete cellular death. If you come back to tell the tale, then your brain was alive the entire time even if your heart wasn't beating for a while or whatever.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: Dark_Star]
#23633151 - 09/10/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: The parts of his brain that would've been responsible for creating such an experience were not functioning. The book gets more into that. I feel that it's legit. I've also had my own NDE, and that wound up having a profound impact on my life....in a positve way. A more lasting impact than any other experience I've had.
I'm 50/50 when it comes to this. It's either you experience nothing after death or you do. Personally, if we do experience something, I'm sure it's absolutely nothing what we think/expect.
I believe the energy/soul is what allows us to experience in general. In that case E=MC2 so therefore the soul never truly dies; just changes states. You have to remember.. we have no sensory organs after death so how could we see/small/think, etc? That's why I believe death would be more of a.. dreamless sleep. But that's also only from a 'materialistic' view point. Atleast, that's what I personally remember from before being born. Also in that case, I do believe in reincarnation too; E=MC2 basically proves it in a way. Just can't remember any of it because the brain is the interface holding the memories/info; separately... Maybe..
But since consciousness is truly unlimited, we could still possibly experience something after death. Consciousness could create whatever it wants I'm sure. I do believe that this reality is a hologram from our collective-unconscious minds, so if we could create this then why not anything else in general?..
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: PatrickKn]
#23633326 - 09/10/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The rational part of me wants to say this was a hallucination, but I've also seen lots of these types of NDE videos, where people have gotten in contact with family members they have never seen before (like this man has), or with children that they never knew they had. There was one case I was watching where a man found out his wife was pregnant before she even knew because he had learned about it in a NDE. It's quite odd.
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: Crystal G]
#23633357 - 09/10/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hell people have experiences like that on psychedelics. I remember a really great Ibogaine report I read on erowid long ago where this guy went to a retreat and took a really strong dose. While under a young woman appeared before him who looked incredibly familiar. So he asked "who are you" to which the girl responded "your daughter". People are a lot more interconnected then most people like to acknowledge.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists [Re: tripp23] 1
#23634132 - 09/10/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The fact that my experience had such a profound & lasting effect lends credence to it in my mind. I've had extensive experience with altered states of consciousness, including but not limited to multiple milligram doses of LSD, 80 mgs of DMT at once, so on & so forth. This was different. You can say it's your brain & maybe it does come from there.....but the reality is that NDEs happen when you're dying. Even without official brain death....the body is shutting down. And these experiences happen. It's easy to say it's just the brain trying to comfort itself when you haven't had the experience. Actually having it is profound. I didn't get my act together right afterwards. I kinda did, but there was a girl involved. I relapsed hard a few months later. The relapse lasted a year & it broke me completely. I had a choice; kill myself & get it over with, or fight & try to find another way. I didn't think I'd ever find happiness again. Didn't think I'd ever be ok. But I remembered that NDE. That was the only reason I chose to fight instead of killing myself. And I did find happiness, I did wind up being ok. It also led me to my career. I make a difference every day, thanks to that experience. At the end of the day, the NDE had a more lasting & positive/profound impact on me/my life then any other. That says all that needs to be said about it. No skeptic will ever convince me that this experience wasn't what it appeared to me......and I'm generally a skeptical individual.
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