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Bug breeding for human food discussion
    #23632114 - 09/10/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've been really interested in this idea lately. The bugs I'm most interested in breeding/eating are grasshoppers, snails, and mealworms. Does anybody else out there do this? Mealworms sound particularly easy, as my first adventure with grasshoppers was...annoying. I'm starting to prefer the idea of breeding slower non-jumping bugs.

Its just cool to me that you can breed a nutritious alternative to meat with just a couple plastic tubs and some scrap vegetables, oats, even styrofoam in the case of mealworms! (google it if you don't believe me) The figures comparing the input/output of raising beef compared to raising bugs really sell it for me.

There's all kinds of interesting unexplored avenues. Millipedes secrete substances used by monkies as mosquito reppellant in the wild. And the more I research, the more interesting medicinal bugs I come across as well. Maggots are the most interesting, they are actually an FDA approved treatment for badly infected wounds.

Anybody else do this/interested in this? Anything to share?


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23636069 - 09/11/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

man, even in off the grid/homestead type forums this topic gets almost zero attention. Makes me a little sad

Some of these critters sound downright tasty.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23636471 - 09/11/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've bred morio worms for my bearded dragon with alot of success and now I have a constant supply. It is highly nutritious but I think western society has been conditioned to have an aversion to all bugs as food. Leaving bugs out of the human diet.
It seems more healthier to live off fruit, vegetables etc. And use bugs as a protein source. Red meat seems to cause a lot of health problems and if you listen to new age vegan enthusiasts from YouTube it seems they have better mood and cognition.
I'm interested in this but I don't think I could eat them when supermarkets have so many options...

Mealworms are mainly exoskeleton, would recommended morio worms over them.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: LoneTripper] * 1
    #23636862 - 09/11/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It does seem quite healthy, especially if you mix multiple bugs into one dish I bet you'd get a complete protein/amino acid source as well as a number of the oddball vitamins.

Are these morio worms pretty much the same to breed as mealworms? Just a bran/oat substrate with water vegetables and they turn into beetles eventually? They certainly look bigger than mealworms.

Its going to be a leap to actually cook them up and eat them. I hear a lot of people just grind bugs up and add them to stuff.

Thanks for the reply btw :grin:


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23636992 - 09/11/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah they need separated into empty containers with no substrate. Then they curl up and become beetles. None of my pets would eat the beetles though for some reason even though they eat other beetles and roaches. Must be taste.
But yeah same substrate and moisture from fruit, veg, bug gel etc.
There's a few good care sheets with breeding information I found useful because my beetles would keep eating the young if they weren't separated quick enough. Its worth looking up.

Have you ate any bugs before?
I couldn't eat any without preparing it to the point where it no longer resembles a bug. Food dehydrator, pestle and mortar, mix in with something or capsules. Also i think the amount you would have to consume to nutritionally equal a steak or something would be considerably less.

This is an interesting subject, I would like to be self sufficient, home growing food and cut red meat out of my diet eventually.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: LoneTripper]
    #23637331 - 09/11/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

thanks :thumbup:

No, none that come to mind. I think I could handle it if it was cooked to a crisp. Liquid is my line for the time being.

I'm lookking into the nutrient content at the moment. Healthier than beef for a number of reasons so far


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23639014 - 09/12/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

got 100 count package of live mealworms at petsmart today, they had live cockroaches and shit but no morio worms.

I'm considering adding a fair amount of soil to my bin in addition to oats, so that it can support some earthworms which would hopefully eat the mealworms feces? That or pillbugs are all I've been able to think of for feces eaters. But I should probably do my first run by the book :sigh:

Also I suppose the substrate needs to stay dry and worms aren't into that AFAIK. Maybe pillbugs would be...anyways


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23639033 - 09/12/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have any good recipes especially for someone like me who has never really eaten bugs.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Sporepoise]
    #23657791 - 09/19/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Any updates? I'm interested.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Kenneth]
    #23658471 - 09/19/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

been working 12 hour days so have been neglecting hobbies a bit. A lot of my mealworms seem to have died...whoops.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23659572 - 09/19/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

False alarm, put a few new food items and they started showing signs of life again.

Its pretty weird to me that these things will turn into beetles. I'm excited to see that happen, don't remember what the time lines are.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23660853 - 09/20/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In a survival situation I could roast some crickets and eat them, but otherwise I would just eat some beans if I needed protein that badly and didn't want to consume meat.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: John Nada]
    #23665180 - 09/21/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

a good point, they do sound tasty though. I mostly like the easy of raising them and the novelty for the time being

I just got my biggest aquarium tank "filled" with dirt, a couple transplanted weeds, a pinecone fruiting nicely with a marasmius species, a bunch of various seeds, and every species of bug I could catch. Got both pillbugs and woodlouse, earthworms, centipedes, snails, a random spider,  common black beetles, (sure would be funny if it was the normal mealworm producing species, I know they all probly have a grub phase but..) its going to be cool to watch everything interact. Just going to keep adding stuff in as I find it.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23672902 - 09/24/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting idea.. have you ever eaten any bugs?
I'm too conditioned to the western diet and the idea of eating bugs grosses me the fuck out.
The only ones I've tried were grasshoppers and ants and I wasn't a fan.
I could see eating it in an all-out survival situation where there was nothing else but in general I'd eat 10,000 tons of hemp seed before subsisting on crickets and shit.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Shroomism]
    #23675396 - 09/24/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly, I have no trouble eating bugs. They are nutritious and not that bad. Not to even mention how much better of a food source they are when it cones to saving grain, saving water, reducing deforestation, etc. I find it interesting that so many people in the west find eating something such as a cow perfectly fine but when it comes to bugs, it becomes gross. This is most likely attributed to social structure.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Kenneth]
    #23675446 - 09/24/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I read an article maybe 2 years ago ago guys that were breeding american brown cockroaches(Periplaneta americana)in chicken coops.  they literally just hatched them out in jars with some old rotten veggies and crap inside, and then harvested by dumping the jars into boiling water and fishing out the dead roaches with skimmers.
they sun dried them and were supposedly getting $20 per dried pound from cosmetic companies who use the ground up wings for pretty much all shimmery/glittery makeup.
There is also a limited market for them as food in parts of East Asia.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Kenneth]
    #23708448 - 10/04/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I find it interesting that so many people in the west find eating something such as a cow perfectly fine but when it comes to bugs, it becomes gross. This is most likely attributed to social structure.




Most likely. If I was born in Vietnam or something I probably wouldn't even blink at the thought.
But it's mostly the texture, I don't like eating exoskeletons and brains and stuff. I don't like Uni either.. because of the texture.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Shroomism]
    #23727295 - 10/11/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

just make flour from them and use it as a supplement or for bakery, etc...


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: sidvivius]
    #23757016 - 10/21/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Helped a guy who wanted to breed snails once here in Denmark. I caught him about 50 helix pomatia in the spring and he build a 8 meter round fence around them and a net on top to stop birds.
In the fall we collected 3-4 buckets full (the snail is pretty big). Dont know what or if he fed them.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: rubberlizard]
    #23757578 - 10/21/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

very cool, thanks for sharing. I need to get an outdoor enclosure made up.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23758238 - 10/21/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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very cool, thanks for sharing. I need to get an outdoor enclosure made up.




The fence was about 50cm tall with a little 'hook' turning inside that had been covered in salt and brunsæbe (brown soap, a strong sticky soap with KOH, used for hardcore cleaning and removing paint). In the middle was a pole that the net was connected to.

Hope it helps, and good luck with your bug farm.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: rubberlizard]
    #23871146 - 11/27/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just tried deep fried melworms, they were suprisingly tasty. Tasted quite alot like pork rinds.
Think ill try to make something mexican inspired with them the next time, like the waxworms in here


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: rubberlizard]
    #23872061 - 11/27/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My bin is mostly beetles at this point. I've been neglecting the hell out of them and they keep on kickin.

Still have yet to try some


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23872635 - 11/27/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been looking into snail farming. escargot in garlic butter is very tasty. my mouth is actually watering as I type. their texture is akin to shrimp.

When it comes to eating insects, I think snails are the most ready to be accepted by modern westerners. The Romans considered them a delicacy and the French still do. you can even buy them canned in some stores.

I read a couple books and articles but my plans are still hazy. Maybe the first step will be to catch a few in the spring and put them in a small terrarium to familiarize myself with their needs and behaviour.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: SampaJasli]
    #23873318 - 11/27/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I think I could get more into snails, they're just cool lookin and interesting critters.

Been meaning to catch a few.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23874100 - 11/28/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I think I could get more into snails, they're just cool lookin and interesting critters.

Been meaning to catch a few.




I can try to draw up the farm i helped building later.

Good luck with your project. HEre in Denmark it was not a gold mine, but if you got the time and space, i think you could make a few bucks.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: rubberlizard]
    #23950433 - 12/22/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Any updates? Has been awhile.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Kenneth]
    #23951148 - 12/23/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Not really from here, busy doing xmas. WAnted to feed them meal worms for the traditional danish xmas diner, but for some strange reason people refused.

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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: rubberlizard]
    #23956143 - 12/25/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

got a new job thats been killin me, not much time for hobby stuff anymore.

The things keep on trucking but it seems to be all beetles, maybe I'll separate them out.


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23981033 - 01/04/17 10:33 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Small scale snail caviar production is pretty easy if you can get the snails.  They lay small clumps of white medium sized and very expensive eggs.  I saw it being done in a a backyard with a simple cinder block enclosure.  They feed on veggie scraps and other waste products.


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    #23984134 - 01/05/17 02:56 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Small scale snail caviar production is pretty easy if you can get the snails.  They lay small clumps of white medium sized and very expensive eggs.  I saw it being done in a a backyard with a simple cinder block enclosure.  They feed on veggie scraps and other waste products.




never heard of snail caviar before. but not surprised, people all sort of stuff if it is expensive enough. what kind of snails is it?


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    #23984744 - 01/05/17 06:11 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

cornu aspersum , the common garden snail.

There's another species that is considered the classic es cargot snail, but I'm not looking up that ones name. so tireddd


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Re: Bug breeding for human food discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #24002954 - 01/12/17 01:27 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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cornu aspersum , the common garden snail.

There's another species that is considered the classic es cargot snail, but I'm not looking up that ones name. so tireddd




Cool, thanks. Ill look into it.

Ever tasted the caviar? I personaly think normal caviar is overrated, but have no qualms taking money from people who can afford it.
Compared to the work i put in it, made a nice buck making poor-mans-cognac from vodka and acorns.


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