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OfflineKulkulcan
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PF, monotub or what?
    #23631892 - 09/10/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Back in the day, I saw a lot of success with PF tek to full colonization, followed by casing.

Now I’m seeing a lot of stuff about monotub and other teks, so I’m wondering if it might be better to go with some kind of bulk tek or what.

I understand that PF tek is the most foolproof, but multiple teks could  be tried simultaneously.

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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23631910 - 09/10/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If its yield you're looking for, I definitely suggest getting into grain and bulk substrates in Monotubs.  I suggest either rye or oats, and coir vermiculite and gypsum which we call CVG here.  It's one of the easiest subtrates to use in my opinion and we have a noob friendly teks for preparation. 

Before you do all of this though, you need to get experience with agar.  Agar will increase your success 100 fold.


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23632360 - 09/10/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yep, read up on lots of agar teks, that's the best way to start :thumbup:


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23632829 - 09/10/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pf is great for beginners with no equipment, but if you have experience and a PC, even without the experience, you can utilize grains and coir super easily by following instructions.
Starting your cultures out on agar is by far your greatest chance of starting with success
Here is a good page from Bohdi with everything you need
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22721954/vc/1#22721954


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23633179 - 09/10/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks to all.

In order, priorities are:

1. Success at acheiving full colonization
2. Freedom from contamination
3. Amount of time needed to begin colonization
4. Speed of full colonization
5. Yield
6. Expense

Agar looks interesting, but it looks like it would take far less time to begin colonization with PF tek, so maybe that would be preferable in the short term.


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23633189 - 09/10/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Freedom from contaminants should be your #1 priority just so you know.  None of those other things will matter if it isn't. 

Also, agar is really something ALL noobs need to get into.  It will increase your success a LOT, and a lot of times it's faster than waiting on your spores to germinate in a jar of brf/verm or grains.


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23633215 - 09/10/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Agar isn't "interesting" as much as it is the most important step to cultivating mushrooms.


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23634762 - 09/11/16 05:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Very true


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23635025 - 09/11/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Rooster Cogburn said:
Agar isn't "interesting" as much as it is the most important step to cultivating mushrooms.




Isn't that just to maximize yield, on an ongoing basis?

Is it really the best way to go for a one-shot deal, producing only a small yield, but quickly?


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23636156 - 09/11/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Agar is used for cleaning up cultures or isolating cultures, cleaning up cultures is the most important function, for instance let's say you take your syringe and inoculate some pf jars and everyone of them went bad due to the syringe being contaminated, your only hope of moving on from there is just buying new syringes and hoping for the best, OR, saving a few spores in the syringe and taking it to agar in which you have a chance of cleaning out the contam and having clean cultures to do whatever you want with.
It's up to you, it's been a long time since I have bought a syringe, but I wouldn't be banking on them being clean.


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Re: PF, monotub or what? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23636358 - 09/11/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

From one newbie to another (and without wishing to naysay top quality advice from experts), just choose a method that interests you and go with it.  There is no point whatsoever getting a load of petri dishes and god knows what other equipment only to find you can't be bothered with it all.  Their suggestions would make you more successful in the long run, but why not try a half marathon before jumping straight into a full one?  Try a triathlon before you do the ironman.  Well that's my philosophy any way; learn to walk before you run,
failure on a technically complex task can put you off whereas messing up a few jars easily put together with household materials is no big deal.

PFtek will get you started, get you growing, and perhaps feed your desire to learn by seeing any kind of success.  Hardest thing to find is brown rice flour.  "Fortunately" I have coeliac disease and have loads of BRF for bread making etc.

(From my POV, finding mycelium growing felt like an achievement and pushed me forward.  The success made me interested in learning more.)


Edited by TerryTate (09/11/16 04:47 PM)


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