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Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users
    #23631344 - 09/10/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/aclu-to-fbi-show-us-your-warrant-for-mass-hack-of-tormail-users

Mass hacking is now one of the FBI's established tactics for fighting crime on the dark web. In February 2015, the agency hit at least 4,000 computers all over the world in an attempt to identify visitors of a child pornography site.

But questions remain about another FBI operation from 2013, in which the agency may have hacked users of a dark web email service called TorMail even if they weren’t suspects of a crime. Now, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is trying to unseal the court docket sheet containing the search warrant used to deploy malware against users of the service. If the ACLU were then to get access to the warrant itself, it may reveal the true scale of the FBI’s controversial hacking campaign.

TorMail was a site based on Freedom Hosting, a web host that provided easy-to-set-up Tor hidden services. In 2013, the FBI seized Freedom Hosting; according to media reports at the time, anyone visiting a Freedom Hosting site was met with a “Down for Maintenance” message. Researchers soon found that that page contained malicious code designed to de-anonymise users of the Tor Browser. The error page was also displayed to users of TorMail, one former user previously told Motherboard.

"The sealing of docket sheets with warrants authorizing the use of malware prevents ... critical public debate from happening"
The Washington Post recently confirmed that the FBI used a “network investigative technique” or NIT—the agency's term for a hacking tool—on the TorMail site. According to the article, the FBI had obtained a warrant to hack the owners of certain email accounts suspected of being involved in child pornography, and anonymous sources claimed that, with this approach, only suspects who had been linked to child pornography would be hacked.

But journalists, dissidents, and other individuals used TorMail too, and it seems that the error page was presented to every TorMail user—raising questions about how broad the operation really was.
“That the FBI engaged in a bulk hacking operation against all visitors to TorMail, which had many lawful, valid uses, raises serious concerns about the appropriateness of bulk hacking, and the extents to which courts should be authorizing and supervising such operations,” reads the motion to unseal the docket, which was written by ACLU attorneys Brett Kaufman, Nathan Wessler, and David Rocah and filed last week.

Read More: The FBI May Have Hacked Innocent TorMail Users
Information that might help answer those sorts of questions and others are likely included in the search warrant. Although the warrant is referenced in other court documents, a copy of it has never been made publicly available.
“It is unclear, for instance, how many individuals’ computers were infected, in which Districts, and what information was obtained,” the ACLU writes.

The TorMail warrant is of particular interest because public documentation of FBI mass hacking operations so far only deal with clearly illegal sites, such as child pornography platforms.
“To date, the only publicly accessible warrants authorizing the FBI to engage in bulk hacking have targeted websites that are dedicated to the distribution of child pornography, and, as a result, the government has been able to assert probable cause that everyone visiting the sites is engaged in a crime. The TorMail website, in contrast, was not dedicated to the distribution of child pornography—it was a free, anonymous email service that had many users who were using it to protect their lawful private communications,” the attorneys write.

The ACLU says the FBI has never sought explicit legislative authority to use hacking technologies in its investigations, despite using them for around 15 years. It argues that if policy makers, activists and technologists are going to have any sort of effective public debate around law enforcement use of malware, this search warrant should be in the public domain.

“The breadth and potency of malware as a law-enforcement tool raises concerns that can only be properly debated if legislators and the general public are aware of instances in which it is being used, the ways in which law enforcement seeks to use it, and the extent of judicial supervision,” the motion reads. “The sealing of docket sheets with warrants authorizing the use of malware prevents this critical public debate from happening, in violation of the public’s right of access.”

Now, it’s up to the US District court of Maryland, Baltimore, where the motion was filed, to decide whether to unseal the docket or not.
Correction: A previous version of this article incorrectly stated that the ACLU had filed a motion to unseal the FBI's search warrant. The ACLU is trying to unseal the docket sheet which contains the search warrant. We regret the error, and have updated the article appropriately.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23631371 - 09/10/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's a common trick
show people a little something taboo, then right behind you have a red drape.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: Konyap]
    #23631403 - 09/10/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Tor is done...:frown: just a matter if the feds want to bust you or not.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23631503 - 09/10/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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tdubz said:
just a matter if the feds want to bust you or not.




This is the correct portion of the statement. As evidenced how the FBI handled the case involving the iPhone owned by the San Bernandino Shooter.

Tor shows it flaws all the time, as does other security software. What's important is the development team works to address vulnerabilities as they're disclosed and even preemptively.

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This attack was already understood as a theoretical problem for the Tor project, which had recently undertaken a rearchitecting of the hidden service system that would prevent it from taking place.




- From the last link above.

Besides, there are other anonymous networks available for use. I2P being among them.

On an unrelated note, the poster above is responsible for other such gems as, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23631367#23631367

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23631519 - 09/10/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I keep em coming fuck the NSA...the sheep need a wake up call. Look at my other "classic gems" an see how many views they have.

Edited by tdubz (09/10/16 07:55 AM)

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz]
    #23631558 - 09/10/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Please, continue to post articles relevant to their respective forums. However, making uninformed, ambiguous statements about topics related to the article is silly.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23631568 - 09/10/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Tor anything is relevant in the news section because many people are using it to buys drugs.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz]
    #23631582 - 09/10/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Tor anything is relevant in the news section because many people are using it to buys drugs.




Sure man, no one is or was arguing against that point.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23632066 - 09/10/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz]
    #23636231 - 09/11/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Tor is done...:frown: just a matter if the feds want to bust you or not.





That seems really unlikely.  Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion, or are you just talking out of your ass?

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23636950 - 09/11/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:shrug: There is no established law regarding this I suppose was my main point. Can a judge from one state place out a warrant on another persons computer even if they live in a different state? Or different country? As the article shows. The FBI hacking international computers an placing malware on their systems via NIT in order to identify them no doubt violated various international law. Even in the United States the Federal courts have not sorted out this issue yet. The FBI has tried to expand it's exemption clause several times to allow them to hack anyone anywhere if they believe an individual is committing a crime. The last vote to expand FBI hacking powers failed by 2 votes in the Senate I believe. Tor is a grey area for both law enforcement and the citizenry... without established federal guidelines, the FBI basically has an open green light to target anyone they wish because cyber security law has not yet been established to deal with the use of anonymous networks. 

Edited by tdubz (09/12/16 10:40 PM)

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23637494 - 09/12/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Probably not legal for the FBI to hack people in other countries.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23637820 - 09/12/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For the time being, at least. That could change entirely, come December 1st. If no legislation can be passed to address the issue before December 1st, things could change quite a bit. EFF has said (should the changes to rule 41 come into effect on December 1st,) "It would be easy for law enforcement agents to forum shop, finding the most sympathetic judges in the country to approve these vague and dangerous warrants."

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the Rule 41 proposal implicates people well beyond U.S. borders. This update expands the jurisdiction of judges to cover any computer user in the world who is using technology to protect their location privacy or is unwittingly part of a botnet. People both inside and outside of the United States should be equally concerned about this proposal.

The change to Rule 41 isn’t merely a procedural update.  It significantly expands the hacking capabilities of the United States government without any discussion or public debate by elected officials. If members of the intelligence community believe these tools are necessary to advancing their investigations, then this is not the path forward. Only elected members of Congress should be writing laws, and they should be doing so in a matter that considers the privacy, security, and civil liberties of people impacted.

Rule 41 seeks to sidestep the legislative process while making sweeping sacrifices in our security. Congress should reject the proposal completely.




https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/rule-41-little-known-committee-proposes-grant-new-hacking-powers-government

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23638558 - 09/12/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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:shrug: There is no established law regarding this I suppose was my main point. Can a judge from one state place out a warrant on another persons computer even if they live in a different state? Or different country? As the article shows. The FBI hacking international computers an placing malware on their systems via NIC in order to identify them no doubt violated various international law. Even in the United States the Federal courts have not sorted out this issue yet. The FBI has tried to expand it's exemption clause several times to allow them to hack anyone anywhere if they believe an individual is committing a crime. The last vote to expand FBI hacking powers failed by 2 votes in the Senate I believe. Tor is a grey area for both law enforcement and the citizenry... without established federal guidelines, the FBI basically has an open green light to target anyone they wish because cyber security law has not yet been established to deal with the use of anonymous networks. 




Are you really asking that lol? Yes a judge can put an arrest request out for you no matter where your ass is. They do have Internationale law also lol  like you for real lol :freshwtf: The FBI should get out of our bizz though not cool.

Edited by mushiefeet (09/12/16 01:59 PM)

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: mushiefeet]
    #23638774 - 09/12/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Read the above post that's pretty much all you need to know if you even care that is.

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Re: Activists to FBI: Show Us Your Warrant for Mass Hack of TorMail Users [Re: tdubz]
    #23639043 - 09/12/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:epicfacepalm:


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