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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: Tira]
    #23641964 - 09/13/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Letting grain jars "consolidate" gives the bacteria more time to grow.  You will never have less bacteria than when you started.  There is no "cleaning jars of bacteria".  If it were that simple we'd just recommend everybody let their jars sit til all the bacteria was gone.  As we know from things like leaving food in the fridge, or on the counter, things do not get cleaner over time.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: Inocuole]
    #23642095 - 09/13/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Letting grain jars "consolidate" gives the bacteria more time to grow.  You will never have less bacteria than when you started.  There is no "cleaning jars of bacteria".  If it were that simple we'd just recommend everybody let their jars sit til all the bacteria was gone.  As we know from things like leaving food in the fridge, or on the counter, things do not get cleaner over time.




Ok thanks for clearing that up.  So would you reccomend waiting few days more before spawning for consolidation or not?


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: Tira]
    #23642130 - 09/13/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If they're 100% then you should spawn now.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: Inocuole]
    #23643279 - 09/13/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What about dunking them?


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: Tira]
    #23643657 - 09/14/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Update

Half of the jars look like this now:



and the other half like this:



First 4 clearly looks better than the other 4.  They all look fully colonized now but I was wondering if letting them consolidate for some time would make them stronger and help clean the jars from bacteria a bit?




You would only need to consolidate if you plan on fruiting in the jar IMO. Otherwise, it will only serve to make you work harder at separating the kernels. I used to use "pearled" farro (a type of heirloom wheat) which had been polished to the point of exposing the center of the kernel. I had limited success with it due to the nutes being exposed, which is an invitation to comtamination! Your wheat seems to be somewhat similar. Listen to the more experienced heads....I learned the hard way. Whole grain berries and agar are where it's at! Just my 2 cents.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: Tira]
    #23643738 - 09/14/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What about dunking them?




it seems like u are getting PF jars mixed up with grain jars.

U do not dunk jars of colonized grain and u do not consoldated them either. Only do that for pf jars because its a complete substrate.

grain jars are missing a casing layer such as coir.

I mean, u could fruit off grains itself, but the yield is poor.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23643951 - 09/14/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've soaked my grain jars in the past for around 20 minutes. :shrug:
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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23647418 - 09/15/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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it seems like u are getting PF jars mixed up with grain jars.

U do not dunk jars of colonized grain and u do not consoldated them either. Only do that for pf jars because its a complete substrate.





Actually I was referring to this when I used the term dunking but maybe soaking would be a better choice.  Soaking the grains before spawning seems to be clearly beneficial but I wondered if having jars this bacterial would change anything.  Guess not.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat [Re: Tira]
    #23648187 - 09/15/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sorry for bumping but I'm really curious about this and will go shop for tubs after I get some answers

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They all look fully colonized now but I was wondering if letting them consolidate for some time would make them stronger and help clean the jars from bacteria a bit?








No and no.

We do not let spawn consolidate. It is most vigorous right at full colonization, use it now


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: mushpunx]
    #23680425 - 09/26/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Update:

Jars smelled really bad when I opened them, classic bacterial smell: sour&sweet.  I soaked the grains for 20 minutes before spawning and poured that water on my outdoor grow bed (where I buried my contaminated grows)

I spawned 8 jars to bulk with 1:1 ratio.  Used sheep manure/humic soil/vermiculite mixture (and some calicum sulfate) as substrate.  Mycelium seems to like it a lot .)  I'm planning on casing it with straight verm when it completely colonizes.



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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: Tira]
    #23681698 - 09/26/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ah i see dunking and soaking, mixed them up. i see.

nice casing there! looks good and white.

I used to use wheat berries, never had issues with bacteria. Maybe try simmering them before PCing them? Do u PC for 1.5 hrs?


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23681800 - 09/26/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's all the batch per bacth of grains . I've used it just fine and light bacteria is best in trays. Small amount of sub and spawn. Only the cleanest spawn is what i use for big tubs. 8 trays with same ratio is better for fail 2 out of 8 instead on the whole tub


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23682145 - 09/27/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ah i see dunking and soaking, mixed them up. i see.

nice casing there! looks good and white.

I used to use wheat berries, never had issues with bacteria. Maybe try simmering them before PCing them? Do u PC for 1.5 hrs?





Didn't case it yet.

I did simmer them, and yes PCd for 1.5 hours.  I guess bacteria is always possible with grains unless you start with agar.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: Tira]
    #23683610 - 09/27/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Does it look ready for casing? What do you think?


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: Tira]
    #23683719 - 09/27/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't case it..fruit as soon as possible


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: cronicr]
    #23683785 - 09/27/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't case it..fruit as soon as possible




Why not?


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: Tira]
    #23683791 - 09/27/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The linger you put off fruiting the better chance of molds...bacteria weakens subs.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: cronicr]
    #23683830 - 09/27/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not even a thin layer of straight verm?


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: Tira]
    #23683876 - 09/27/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Give your first grow a chance without casing.  Cubes don't need a casing layer to grow.  Some people have better results with casing, and some without. You have to figure out what works for you.  So far my best tub was a uncased tub. But I want to master casing as well.


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Re: PF Classic on Wheat to Monotub [Re: Tookitooki]
    #23684604 - 09/27/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Most of the time a thin layer of coir on top basicly casing it is easier. Late casing causes more problems then worst most times


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