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Can AI or androids have souls?
    #23608051 - 09/03/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So the premise is simple, if you believe reincarnation is possible and souls transcend human life then would it be possible for a soul to inhabit an android?

Spirits are said to posess things like dolls so I don't see why they must be restricted to what we would consider life. I personally don't think AI will be created with a soul but I think, theoretically, it is possible for a soul to possess AI. What do you think ?


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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23608088 - 09/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A human represents a certain level of technology, like it or not.  If this can someday be replicated, I don't see why androids cannot exist with quantum states of their own.  (One's orchestrating quantum state is one's soul).

And I suppose they could therefore be subject to reincarnation.


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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23608115 - 09/03/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting proposal. If it pans out I am down, otherwise...





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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23608288 - 09/03/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i think our idea of what the human being is in terms of technology, and therefore what simulations of it look like in terms of AI, are missing a lot from what is really going on. (this is just my belief)

many people in spiritual communities speak of energetic bodies, emotional bodies, mental bodies, spiritual bodies, the chakra system, etc... all interspersed with what we perceive to be the physical body. unfortunately, most of us lack the inner perception to sense these energetic aspects of beings, and so rely on our physical senses, giving us the purely physical models we have.

so to me, based on my beliefs and intuition on the matter, i think our physical model of our own being is tremendously lacking. and so any technology we create to emulate that model is also lacking, enough so to be incapable of supporting the kind of conscious experience we know as humans.

that said, i think it's possible that the materials (metal, etc) of the technology could possess its own elemental consciousness, but that this consciousness wouldn't necessarily organize itself in any way so as to resemble the human-like beings we model the machines as. i don't see why what we see and interpret the beings as, based on the behaviour we program, would in any way translate to a subjective conscious experience matching that behaviour :smile: just my opinion :smile:


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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: deff]
    #23608783 - 09/03/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

technology and robotics of the future are very likely capable of what we would percieve as a form of consciousness.

I used to not think that a soul, a full soul, could ever be in an android. But what restricts this "energy body" to our carbon based life?

There are just as many cultures afterall that also believe spirits inhabit inanimate objects. But then the programming of a computer is... Definitely different.
Human beings have bioligical, DNA, and chemical programming though.


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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23608788 - 09/03/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just made me think of the toaster that's supposedly processed with an evil spirit :lol:


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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23608816 - 09/03/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just made me think of the toaster that's supposedly processed with an evil spirit :lol:







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    #23608960 - 09/03/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Depending upon which philosopher or theologian one resonates with, soul, which is English for the Greek word psyche, is not a 'thing' that human bodies possess. The same is said for biblical theology. We do not 'have' a soul, we ARE a living soul - a psychosomatic whole, a mind-body. Moreover, as soul/psyche/mind is not a substance, it is not bounded or contained. We participate in soul. It is much more like our physical body is an instrument that tunes-in on soul like an electronic receiving device (radio, TV, etc.), and that soul is an omniscient field-effect that is not actually located anywhere at all, but can be received wherever a viable human being is located in space-time.

It remains to be seen whether AI, carbon or silicon-based 'instruments' can similarly tune-in on soul/psyche/mind which exists prior to human life (at least it does with Plotinus and his source, Plato). The next question has to do with spirit/pneuma/nous - a spiritual verity that transcends soul/psyche by being ontologically more similar to its origin in Ultimate Reality. To complicate matters, the soul is frequently seen as having 3 or more aspects ranging from gross to subtle. Plato has the appetitive, spirited, and rational aspects which correspond to the gut, heart, and brain respectively. Similarly, Jewish Kabbalah speaks of up to 5 aspects of soul:

"Nephesh, related to natural instinct.
Ruach, related to emotion and morality.
Neshamah, related to intellect and the awareness of God.
Chayah, considered a part of God, as it were.
Yechidah, also termed the pintele Yid (the 'essential [inner] Jew'). This aspect is essentially one with God." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Judaism

Whether or not AI can tune-into and transmit through their being and actions the higher or highest aspects of soul is speculative for now, but those California-made silicon sex-dolls are not even at the first level. :shrug:


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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23620003 - 09/06/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If your honestly alive or conscious you have a soul necessarily..or you will know someone who does indeed have a Soul...for without one what are you...

Well thats a great question but your still yourself..and thats Great in Heaven and Hell!

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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23627700 - 09/09/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A theory is that the technical knowledge itself is being channeled into our realm by being/s that currently can only influence by subtle means. They want to manifest physically but first need us to create a womb for them which will be the global information grid and all networked hardware.
I don't know if I believe that but these AIs are being designed to think without feeling so I find it a bit unsettling considering they will be playing an increasingly central role in the decision making process of the military and any automated systems in the near future.

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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: tHEfLY]
    #23631098 - 09/09/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Relations can come in many a cosmic speck..if the forces are working correctly..the true nature of AI would be intelligent..to the nodes of life..that it is clinging too...and that is the Great degree in time..for the more than One By Show..indeed is the Rage all the rage indeed! Sequence in October..and the fortified..wood and Barter...Gun and Butter..ordinal Coordination's. Coordination is a[id] control system and we are all memes typing on the internet..the highway of life..and vocalising the system..is a good degree in techno Economics..indeed is the Rail Great at the Gatsby, and Even Better as Fried York...which from the Entral Level Agenda...inside the CIA>.indeed is a Canty..and a Shianti..or otherwise Shoulin..From within I come From Bruce Lee...and am able to type because of my Gockiness!

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Re: Can AI or androids have souls? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23631102 - 09/09/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you do things at the proper times afforded to them..then you would consider a Calculus a toast..with the None other than Albert Einstein..indeed in his ratio true..is the degree a fifth lock of the key of knowledge itself..or else we have another matter at hand..can I be this Free, and Holy, and Invincible all at the same time..Indeed I can!

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