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If you guys didn't know chemo kills people * 2
    #23629697 - 09/09/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chemotherapy-study-cancer-patients/

No matter how much doctors push the treatment, chemotherapy might not be the best option in the fight against cancer, as a new study shows up to 50 percent of patients are killed by the drugs — not the disease, itself.
Researchers from Public Health England and Cancer Research UK performed a groundbreaking study examining for the first time the numbers of cancer patients who died within 30 days of beginning chemotherapy — indicating the treatment, not the cancer, was the cause of death.
Looking at those death rates in hospitals across the U.K., researchers found an alarming mortality rate associated with chemotherapy.
Across “England around 8.4 per cent of patients with lung cancer, and 2.4 per cent of breast cancer patients died within a month,” the Telegraph reported.
“But in some hospitals the figure was far higher. In Milton Keynes the death rate for lung cancer treatment was 50.9 per cent, although it was based on a very small number of patients.”
Alarmingly, the one-month mortality rate at Lancashire Teaching Hospitals for those undergoing palliative, rather than curative, chemotherapy for lung cancer was a full 28 percent. One in five breast cancer patients receiving palliative care at Cambridge University Hospitals died from treatment.
In certain areas — Blackpool, Coventry, Derby, South Tyneside, and Surrey and Sussex — deaths of lung cancer patients by chemotherapy were ‘far higher’ than the national average.
Dr. Jem Rashbass, Cancer Lead for Public Health England — the national health care service, which requested the study — said, as quoted by the Telegraph:
“Chemotherapy is a vital part of cancer treatment and is a large reason behind the improved survival rates over the last four decades.
“However, it is powerful medication with significant side effects and often getting the balance right on which patients to treat aggressively can be hard.
“Those hospitals whose death rates are outside the expected range have had the findings shared with them and we have asked them to review their practice and data.”
For the analysis, researchers “included all women with breast cancer and all men and women with lung cancer residing in England, who were 24 years or older and who started a cycle” of chemotherapy in 2014.
Long the mainstay for treating various cancers, chemotherapy has finally drawn criticism in recent years, as the medicine does not differentiate between healthy and cancerous cells. Now, this study — published in the Lancet — shows how that powerful cell-destroying property can mean the demise for patients as well.

Researchers have advised physicians to exercise more caution in vetting which patients should ideally receive chemotherapy. Older and more infirm patients, in particular, might be better off without receiving palliative care, which is designed to offer relief instead of curing the disease.
“The statistics don’t suggest bad practice overall but there are some outliers,” noted Professor David Dodwell of the Institute of Oncology at St. James Hospital in Leeds.
“It could be data problems, and figures skewed because of just a few deaths, but nevertheless it could also be down to problems with clinical practice,” he continued.
“I think it’s important to make patients aware that there are potentially life threatening downsides to chemotherapy. And doctors should be more careful about who they treat with chemotherapy.”
All hospitals involved said they reviewed the information and remain certain chemotherapy is safe — with the caveat patient selection for the treatment may need to be more discretionary.
Professor David Cameron of the Edinburgh Cancer Centre at West General Hospital in Edinburgh, Scotland, noted, “The concern is that with some of the patients dying within 30 days of being given chemo probably shouldn’t have been given the chemo. But how many? There is no easy way to answer that, but perhaps looking at those places/hospitals where the death rate was higher might help.
“Furthermore, if we give less chemo then some patients will die because they didn’t get chemo. It’s a fine balance and the more data we have the better we can be at making sure we get the balance right.”
Meanwhile, doctors in the United States should probably take note, considering the sheer number of patients forced to undergo chemotherapy at the State’s behest despite objections from those patients and their families.
In one example, a 17-year-old diagnosed with Hodgkin lymphoma decided to seek alternatives to chemotherapy, but her doctors — so inculcated in state and Big Pharma propaganda — contacted family services, who then kidnapped the young adult and placed her in foster care.
She was finally allowed to return home once she agreed to undergo the often debilitating treatment — but ran away once doctors informed her she’d have to endure surgery for the implantation of a chemo port. In an incredible act of Orwellian Big Government, the Supreme Court ruled the State was in the right in this case — and after being kidnapped and forced into treatment against her will, was denied contact with her own family.
As unfathomably invasive as that was, it isn’t isolated.
Alternative treatments do, in fact, exist — the most promising among them for many cancers are various formulations of CBD oil, a cannabis derivative. But, thanks to the phenomenally failed war on drugs, cancer patients in most areas of the U.S. are unable to procure much needed medicine or are forced to receive treatment on the sly — risking time behind bars simply for wanting to cure themselves.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chemotherapy-study-cancer-patients/#KLVDDGWbY2uQjtVW.99

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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23629748 - 09/09/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

thats nutz


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23629751 - 09/09/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My mom went through chemo and nver complained.  Sure she complained about the surgeries and the painkillers.  I am under the impression the chemo drug comes from a plant that stops cells from dividing.  That is why hair falls out. 

There are a number of plants that target cancer.  Not sure what it's called but there is one I would like to know more about.  it's an Asian plant and it manipulates some sort of metal that cancer does not like or needs, not so sure.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23629846 - 09/09/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I know that if I ever get cancer I certainly wont even consider chemo as a treatment strategy


Turmeric extract with black pepper extract (curcumin and piperine) together with reishi an Chagga mushroom tincture and Rick Simpson oil / Phoenix tears will be among the things I will certainly use along with surgery .

I plan to use the natural methods daily so that the cancer never develops in the first place hopefully


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23629874 - 09/09/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I know that if I ever get cancer I certainly wont even consider chemo as a treatment strategy


Turmeric extract with black pepper extract (curcumin and piperine) together with reishi an Chagga mushroom tincture and Rick Simpson oil / Phoenix tears will be among the things I will certainly use along with surgery .

I plan to use the natural methods daily so that the cancer never develops in the first place hopefully









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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23629978 - 09/09/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My mom went through chemo and nver complained.  Sure she complained about the surgeries and the painkillers.  I am under the impression the chemo drug comes from a plant that stops cells from dividing.  That is why hair falls out. 

There are a number of plants that target cancer.  Not sure what it's called but there is one I would like to know more about.  it's an Asian plant and it manipulates some sort of metal that cancer does not like or needs, not so sure.




Yes. That also includes intestines.

The thing I don't like about chemo is that it damages cells. And cancer is caused by damaged cells. Most people who went into remission through radiation and chemo eventually have cancer come back. I'm not gonna roll that way.

And from what I understand where the chemotherapy drug comes from depends on the type of drug. Though it's hard to elaborate without doing more research. That stuff isn't front page info.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23629988 - 09/09/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They've been coming up with awesome ways to fight cancer without causing systemic damage. New advances every year. But cancer is a real motherfucker.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23630068 - 09/09/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The problem i that chemo often absolutely destroys quality of life .

I would rather have one month of decent life to say my goodbyes and put my affairs in order and cuddle my wife rather than eight months puking my guts out in misery


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23630167 - 09/09/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem i that chemo often absolutely destroys quality of life .

I would rather have one month of decent life to say my goodbyes and put my affairs in order and cuddle my wife rather than eight months puking my guts out in misery




You know what destroys your quality of life even more? Being dead from cancer because you tried bullshit holistic treatment options instead of chemo/radiation therapy.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Sheekle]
    #23630175 - 09/09/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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thats nutz




yer nutz :lol:


chemo is a poison, thats why it causes balding and makes u super sick.

Some they got some THC-flavored Chemo drugs now? Amazing times y'all. Amazing times....


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630177 - 09/09/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23630186 - 09/09/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem i that chemo often absolutely destroys quality of life .

I would rather have one month of decent life to say my goodbyes and put my affairs in order and cuddle my wife rather than eight months puking my guts out in misery



Yep


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23630188 - 09/09/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

CBD, Phoenix Tears is the way to go.



I figured most members would have read about Charlotte's Web (CBD Strain) and the story behind the girl it's named after.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630221 - 09/09/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm all for medical science, but chemo is really iffy stuff. It entirely depends on the disease and what the other options are, but even if there are no other options, chemo is really shitty. Outcomes aren't even all that much better at 5 years for many types of cancer, but quality of life is insanely lower during that time.

People try to hold on for too long sometimes. I understand, everyone wants to live, but some times the quality of life can be so bad that it's better just to accept death.

Again though, it entirely depends on the type of cancer and the 5 year and 10 year outcomes for chemo for that specific type of cancer.

Oh, and in case anyone didn't know, chemo is legitimately insanely bad for you. The goal is for the chemo to kill the cancer faster than the chemo kills you. And just to clarify, chemo is a radiation based therapy.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Big Worm] * 1
    #23630253 - 09/09/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CBD, Phoenix Tears is the way to go.

I figured most members would have read about Charlotte's Web (CBD Strain) and the story behind the girl it's named after.




It's named after a girl who had a seizure disorder, completely irrelevant to cancer treatment.

Chemotherapy is much more effective than CBD in treatment of cancer. If CBD was more effective pharmaceutical companies would be all over that shit. It's not though.

IDK, maybe I'm biased because every cancer patient that I've ever seen use CBD or RSO has died from not pursuing real treatment options.

Rick Simpson is a fucking scam artist piece of shit who deserves to be shot in the face.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23630275 - 09/09/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh, and in case anyone didn't know, chemo is legitimately insanely bad for you. The goal is for the chemo to kill the cancer faster than the chemo kills you. And just to clarify, chemo is a radiation based therapy.




Chemotherapeutic agents are not radioactive, chemo treatments are usually comprised of cytotoxins that act as alkylating agents, cytoskeletal disruptors Topoisomerase I/II inhibitors, kinase inhibitors... etc. Specifically the following:

Actinomycin
All-trans retinoic acid
Azacitidine
Azathioprine
Bleomycin
Bortezomib
Carboplatin
Capecitabine
Cisplatin
Chlorambucil
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Tioguanine
Topotecan
Valrubicin
Vinblastine
Vincristine
Vindesine
Vinorelbine

But hey, if you want to use RSO or tumeric to treat your own cancer go ahead, you'll die and the world will have one less person that believes in homeopathic horseshit.

Cannabinoids are pretty much only good for reducing the symptoms that come along with *real* cancer treatment.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: falsereality]
    #23630344 - 09/09/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't know that. I could have sworn it was radiation based. My bad :thumbup:


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Sheekle]
    #23630428 - 09/09/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Great Scott]
    #23630579 - 09/09/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Half of you will get cancer but one thing that largely factors into that is diet, exercise, genetics.

If you dont' want chemo then dont get cancer in the first place(or move!)


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630587 - 09/09/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Great Scott]
    #23630590 - 09/09/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: nooneman]
    #23630671 - 09/09/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Chemo and radiation are two very different things. I am not big on either, but I might consider radiation, I definitely wouldn't do chemo.

Falsereality- How much research have you done into reishi, curcumin and piperine, chagga and simpson oil/pheonix tears as cancer treatments?


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23630685 - 09/09/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alternative treatments do, in fact, exist — the most promising among them for many cancers are various formulations of CBD oil, a cannabis derivative. But, thanks to the phenomenally failed war on drugs, cancer patients in most areas of the U.S. are unable to procure much needed medicine or are forced to receive treatment on the sly — risking time behind bars simply for wanting to cure themselves.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chemotherapy-study-cancer-patients/#KLVDDGWbY2uQjtVW.99

I mean it's simple right? open the plastic, put it in for two minutes then let it cool down for a minute





dont get your medical advice from retards on the internet. marijuana doesnt cure a fucking thing


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630687 - 09/09/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Half of you will get cancer but one thing that largely factors into that is diet, exercise, genetics.

If you dont' want chemo then dont get cancer in the first place(or move!)





how does diet factor into me getting cancer?


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23630689 - 09/09/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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dont get your medical advice from retards on the internet. marijuana doesnt cure a fucking thing




It cures my sobriety and robs me, i mean, cures me of ambition.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23630699 - 09/09/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

a .1% chance is still worse than a .2% but some people try to overcompensate for this and they end up giving themselves cancer with too much vitamin e, most of your organs take 7 years to regenerate themselves


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630899 - 09/09/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i went through 4 rounds of chemo starting october of last year - january of this year.

cisplatin and etopiside. not gonna lie it sucks fucking ass, but is not the worst thing i have ever experienced. the shitty part is feeling like you have 0 immune system - like you can FEEL how vulnerable you are to shit. You gotta be on top of washing hands, not being around too many people, etc... its rough. I still have tinnitus, and aversions to certain smells i was exposed to during treatment.

I am looking forward to the advancement of CRISPR with regard to cancer treatments. If I ever have to do this shit again, (fingers crossed I dont), I will be opting for CRISPR treatment, over chemo/radiation.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23631087 - 09/09/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Doctors fuck up and kill people constantly. I saw it happened first hand to a family member a couple years ago. You'll definitely want to opt out of any surgery that has "explorative" in the title.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23631487 - 09/10/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

When my grandmother got cancer my mom begged her not to get chemo.

My grandmother got angry "how can you say that this is my only chance !"

The chemo immediately crashed her system and she died rapidly and in grotesque misery. 

Having witnessed it my mom swears she will never do chemo and that story made an impression on me.

I won't do it either. If I have to die of cancer so be it, I will not die from chemo.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23631559 - 09/10/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

my grandmother went through chemo 5 times, when she was diagnosed with cancer a 7th
time she didnt do chemo, she was 92 when she was diagnosed and 93 when she died

5 rounds of chemo that didnt kill her, she died of old age

maybe those that die of chemo just were not meant for this world anymore


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23631610 - 09/10/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How did the chemo effect her quality of life ?

Ruthless nausea is very common and nausea is one thing that ruins quality of life IME.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23631625 - 09/10/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My grandfather died of prostate cancer and thanks to chemo his last days on Earth were miserable and unpleasant

Towards the end of it he couldn't eat anything, he said food just tasted like dirt, maybe cannabis wouldn't have cured him but maybe it would've gave him an appetite

But nope cannabis is illegal in my state and as a result of that injustice my grandfather suffered a lot more than he had to


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23631629 - 09/10/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Reading the responses is making me cry. :frown:

I am really sorry for everyone's loss. May the dead be at peace forever.

I don't agree with children having it since there is a chance they will die more easily.

Life is like a box of chocolates....fuck - ing - great.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23631673 - 09/10/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My youngest cancer patient was 5 months old. Broke my heart.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23631676 - 09/10/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So are you a doctor? Your post sounded like it to be true.

I've seen kids dying of chemo/cancer, unaware that it's terrible treatment, the parents also look sad but unaware. They just accept that it's the only way, there has to be other ways.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23631688 - 09/10/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Occupational therapist. Parents aren't unaware that the treatment sucks, nor are the kids. The infants are. The kids are brave & wise beyond their years though. Their attitude & strength of character never ceases to amaze me. Cancer is a motherfucker, and hard as hell to treat. Radiation isn't better than chemo by the way. It has side effects & kills healthy tissue as well. There are many advances though. Proton therapy, targeted radiation, gene therapy, etc. new ways to kill the cancer with minimal collateral damage & decreased side effects.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23631692 - 09/10/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm glad you help people. I wasn't aware that people would be willing to let themselves or children be put through it if they realized how bad it was.

I want more advances, cos considering how much money charities make each year, it should have been solved years ago. More funding to actual treatment instead of theories which don't leave the whiteboard, I say.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21] * 2
    #23631699 - 09/10/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's either do the treatment or die. That's the option. And finding a cure isn't as easy as people make it out to be. I have a friend that does cancer research, and it can start in so many different ways. That's what makes it so hard.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23631705 - 09/10/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think the following might be true.

If a patient has stage 4 cancer, the worst and last stage, then it seems justified to not undergo treatment which would be of no use. They should spend the time left trying to enjoy life rather than being in hospital.

If the cancer is small and not metastasized then treatment is a good options.  The chance of recovering is higher.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23631708 - 09/10/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That choice is up to the patient though. If they have stage 4 cancer & choose to undergo treatment, they are perfectly justified in doing so. And miracles do happen. If it was me I'd probably make my peace with it & try to enjoy what time I had left.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23631722 - 09/10/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would too, I just hope neither of us get this. Number one fight, live healthy I guess. Peace & love :heart:


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23631754 - 09/10/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
How did the chemo effect her quality of life ?

Ruthless nausea is very common and nausea is one thing that ruins quality of life IME.





dealing with adverse effects for a short time isnt as horrible as dying a prolonged, agonizing death


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23631757 - 09/10/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It isn't always painful. Yes to a certain degree, but medication can control it. I am not trying to be an ass .


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21] * 1
    #23631842 - 09/10/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
I want more advances, cos considering how much money charities make each year, it should have been solved years ago. More funding to actual treatment instead of theories which don't leave the whiteboard, I say.





what's to solve, we know what causes cancer in most cases, we know the risk factors
in cancer, not everything can be cured or prevented because even those that live
healthy lifestyles, dont smoke or drink, etc... some still contract cancer

just so you know, most charities arent charitable, the bulk of the money goes to
administration and acquiring donations, the money that does go toward the goal is
spent on research but that doesnt guarantee a cure, it does allow us to learn and
develop treatments and one day possible a cure or even a preventative measure


even then, that doesnt mean any of it will be successful, in the 90s an effective
vaccine for lyme disease was developed, 3 doses and it was 100% effective at
prevention of lyme disease, this was also around the same time that the anti-vax 
movement was born and they made the claim that it caused arthritis and other
problems, much like the anti-vax retards today claim they causes autism, anyway
the fear these people generated cause the vaccine to become disused and the
company producing it went out of business


so even if a cure for cancer is developed, what will happen? will the same retards
claiming that chemo kills and marijuana cures be making the same sorts of claims
that encourage people to avoid legitimate treatments? maybe if we're lucky, many
of them will get cancer and show us how effective their alternative cures really
are, maybe they can document their slow death due to holistic medicine, prayer and
marijuana so we can learn just how stupid they really are


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23631848 - 09/10/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Electric Wizard21 said:
It isn't always painful. Yes to a certain degree, but medication can control it. I am not trying to be an ass .





are you advocating the use of chemicals in an anti-chemo thread?


good to know it isnt 'always' painful.

it is never actually pleasant though


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23631858 - 09/10/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I read and here is the answer....
I'm saying there is pain killers available and the majority use them.

Why try to start an argument? 'are you trying to advocate chemicals in a anti chemo thread?' Yes I am because everyone has a right to be pain free.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23631877 - 09/10/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
Why try to start an argument? 'are you trying to advocate chemicals in a anti chemo thread?' Yes I am because everyone has a right to be pain free.





lol...


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23631907 - 09/10/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why is that funny?


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21] * 2
    #23631924 - 09/10/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

pain is an inherent part of life, there is no right to being pain free


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23631930 - 09/10/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

sorry i should have said in the context of chemo/cancer.

In other words, those with cancer or undergoing treatment have a right to be pain free. :thumbup:

Hope that clarifies it.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23631949 - 09/10/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

that makes the statement completely different. typically doctors will prescribe
something for the pain, some doctors will also suggest things they cant prescribe


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23631994 - 09/10/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm glad I could explain better. I don't explain to well most of the time. :shrug:

Strange thought, but I know they give large doses of morphine while in the last stages of life. would it work to administer something such as dmt? This might seem a bad idea. Any thoughts on that?


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23632018 - 09/10/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think DMT would be a bad idea


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23632080 - 09/10/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Eh, you only have so many options.

Whether or not I would undergo chemo, depends on how old I am.


At this point, I'd likely just ride it out and put a slug in my head when things go too far.
Dealt with too much pain and sickness, for too long, more afraid of a few more months of agony than death.
Death is inevitable, at least this would force me to prepare for it, cross the t's and dot the i's.


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